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For the cost of a sixpack (Old Milwaukee) I got this old guy and his little buddy to do all of the heavy lifting.

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Ya, the 215's are pretty heavy lol. I had to go downstairs so it was done in 10 minutes for both with a dolly. Wasn't to bad, though I'd not want to take them back upstairs lol.

When I had my giant 15 cf ported subs, my basement flooded and the subs took on a bunch of water, we had to get them out and it was at the limit of what 2 people could do. We just barely got them up the stairs with a 3 ton dolly... The company that was stripping the basement's driver helped me. We weight them before and they were 376 lbs with driver..... Should have taken the 80lb driver out before we moved them hahahahah!!

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Delivery is set between 10-5 tomorrow, so head on over when you get off work.
Coach, I so wish I could be there to help you carry them up to the room but I have a good excuse of being out of town. Yep, so glad I'm not there for the lift. Can't wait to hear them on Friday...I'm inviting myself over.
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Talk about awkward, try moving a pair of triax's. I am going to buy furniture movers to move them into the new theater when it is time. Hopefully I can coax the driver to help me get the the 215s in their new home when they arrive.
I was pretty excited when I drove to pick up my two Submersives. The first one in all my zeal I bear hugged and had to clear the back/head rest of a Berkline recliner on the left side. The equipment rack was to the right and not enough room to just walk through holding it. I am 5'11" so it was a bit of a little surge up and over. It was like going full throttle into a crossfit workout

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Coach, I so wish I could be there to help you carry them up to the room but I have a good excuse of being out of town. Yep, so glad I'm not there for the lift. Can't wait to hear them on Friday...I'm inviting myself over.
I am sure you are heartbroken..

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Make sure you put an HPF in place on the 215HT if you are going to run them for all they are worth. Just like a ported sub the drivers don't have any protection below port tune and excursion can go wild quickly. Before we put the HPF in place at dlbecks those drivers moved a couple times for all they were worth. The excursion on Bass I Love you and Boxenkiller with no HPF was frightening powered by the Cherry monoblocks. With the J-River HPF in place no more concern!

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I was pretty excited when I drove to pick up my two Submersives. The first one in all my zeal I bear hugged and had to clear the back/head rest of a Berkline recliner on the left side. The equipment rack was to the right and not enough room to just walk through holding it. I am 5'11" so it was a bit of a little surge up and over. It was like going full throttle into a crossfit workout
Me and my son moved my Triax's. I knew the triax's were going to be difficult when I unboxed them. I told my son this is going to be hard and if you feel like you are going to drop it, get mad and scream. He never dropped it, but man we were both screaming. We were laughing the whole time. It was unbelievably hard. I wish Gorilla lived closer, I needed some power lifting
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Make sure you put an HPF in place on the 215HT if you are going to run them for all they are worth. Just like a ported sub the drivers don't have any protection below port tune and excursion can go wild quickly. Before we put the HPF in place at dlbecks those drivers moved a couple times for all they were worth. The excursion on Bass I Love you and Boxenkiller with no HPF was frightening powered by the Cherry monoblocks. With the J-River HPF in place no more concern!
I apologize for my lack of knowledge. Are you referring to a High Pass Filter? Not sure how I would add this or how it is done...
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Coach, yes. High pass filter.

An easy way would be to use an amp with a built in DSP like the Behringer iNuke, Peavey IPR with DSP or other. Alternately you could use something like the mini dsp in the signal chain.



If you've already got an amp situated and you don't have any digital dsp option than something like the Behringer mic2200 is a cheap HPF option as well. Costs about $90 new or $50 used. It has an analog HPF dial you can set at 20hz and be done.

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Coach, yes. High pass filter.

An easy way would be to use an amp with a built in DSP like the Behringer iNuke, Peavey IPR with DSP or other. Alternately you could use something like the mini dsp in the signal chain.



If you've already got an amp situated and you don't have any digital dsp option than something like the Behringer mic2200 is a cheap HPF option as well. Costs about $90 new or $50 used. It has an analog HPF dial you can set at 20hz and be done.
I Am looking at both them amps. I am leaning towards the inkuke 6000
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I am going to be using àn NanoAvr with the new speakers. Maybe that will have an option for a HPF.

Thank you for the information.
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Coach, yes. High pass filter.

An easy way would be to use an amp with a built in DSP like the Behringer iNuke, Peavey IPR with DSP or other. Alternately you could use something like the mini dsp in the signal chain.
Coach has the NanoAVR but I don't know if he has hooked it up yet. I will definitely help set it up on Friday but here is a picture of the configuration page. However, you might want to go with a 24db high pass.

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Me and my son moved my Triax's. I knew the triax's were going to be difficult when I unboxed them. I told my son this is going to be hard and if you feel like you are going to drop it, get mad and scream. He never dropped it, but man we were both screaming. We were laughing the whole time. It was unbelievably hard. I wish Gorilla lived closer, I needed some power lifting
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I Am looking at both them amps. I am leaning towards the inkuke 6000


Very solid match IMO. The dsp rocks and that amp gives out about 2k watts real world power per channel at 4 ohms.

Carp is going to borrow one of my two to compare how much stronger it is in real world use than his dsp 3000 on the 215ht.

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Make sure you put an HPF in place on the 215HT if you are going to run them for all they are worth. Just like a ported sub the drivers don't have any protection below port tune and excursion can go wild quickly. Before we put the HPF in place at dlbecks those drivers moved a couple times for all they were worth. The excursion on Bass I Love you and Boxenkiller with no HPF was frightening powered by the Cherry monoblocks. With the J-River HPF in place no more concern!

Yeah, that quick hitting 8hz note on Bass I Love You is scary. How low can you set a HPF on your mic2200?
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12hz is the lowest, you can turn it up from there.

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Looks like the KC group is still up. Does anyone know what frequency the crossover is set to on the compression driver in the single 8's? It was brought up in a discussion I was having and I can't seem to find that spec anywhere. Not that it really matters, we were just interested. I'll ask Jeff if no one knows off the top of their heads.
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Me and my son moved my Triax's. I knew the triax's were going to be difficult when I unboxed them. I told my son this is going to be hard and if you feel like you are going to drop it, get mad and scream. He never dropped it, but man we were both screaming. We were laughing the whole time. It was unbelievably hard. I wish Gorilla lived closer, I needed some power lifting
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http://www.amazon.com/Shoulder-Dolly...=movers+straps

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I was pretty excited when I drove to pick up my two Submersives. The first one in all my zeal I bear hugged and had to clear the back/head rest of a Berkline recliner on the left side. The equipment rack was to the right and not enough room to just walk through holding it. I am 5'11" so it was a bit of a little surge up and over. It was like going full throttle into a crossfit workout


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At the big speaker comparo at Rilla's the April before last, we watched the cats pound out some full range stuff and it was incredible how far the drivers were moving...all while Mark was sitting there just amused. After seeing that, I knew my td12x's had a lot more in them before they would give up the goat...That is for sure!

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On the truck and heading this way.... Should be stop #3 .

I am a TAD excited....
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I am a TAD excited....
You better believe you are. Im excited for you. Cannot wait for that information to hit my desk.
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At the big speaker comparo at Rilla's the April before last, we watched the cats pound out some full range stuff and it was incredible how far the drivers were moving...all while Mark was sitting there just amused. After seeing that, I knew my td12x's had a lot more in them before they would give up the goat...That is for sure!



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Thanks Brandon. I will see what I can do with the NanoAvr first.
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Yep they were what I was referring to. I defiantly need to get them. I am going to look them up today on Amazon and get them ordered. I should have done it along time ago. One of those things you forget about till you need it.
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Yep they were what I was referring to. I defiantly need to get them. I am going to look them up today on Amazon and get them ordered. I should have done it along time ago. One of those things you forget about till you need it.
Those are pretty nifty looking... I might have to see if Home Depot or Lowes has them.
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If they don't, Amazon does. However I am sure you need them now !! The greatest thing I ever did was get Amazon prime. I seen it on there for a couple of years and finally used the free one month trial of prime. It has been a life saver with building my theater. I was able to get stuff I could not get local in two days, sometimea one day. I just got home this morning and found my quiet putty pads I needed. The wife will be on the ladder tonight putting putty pads on the low voltage boxes.
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If they don't, Amazon does. However I am sure you need them now !! The greatest thing I ever did was get Amazon prime. I seen it on there for a couple of years and finally used the free one month trial of prime. It has been a life saver with building my theater. I was able to get stuff I could not get local in two days, sometimea one day. I just got home this morning and found my quiet putty pads I needed. The wife will be on the ladder tonight putting putty pads on the low voltage boxes.
It doesn't appear that they either place stocks them in the store. Lowes doesn't even show them on their site. I will stop by Home Depot on my way to get some lunch and see if they happen to have them there. Their is also a UHAUL store not far from my house, so I am going to check there as well.
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It doesn't appear that they either place stocks them in the store. Lowes doesn't even show them on their site. I will stop by Home Depot on my way to get some lunch and see if they happen to have them there. Their is also a UHAUL store not far from my house, so I am going to check there as well.
I know Uhaul has some straps that you put your arms through and use your forearms to lift the heavy object; they might be called Forearm Lifters or something. DON'T BUY THOSE! Even if you can't find the shoulder version locally, don't buy the forearm lifters, they're more trouble than they're worth.
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I saw those and I don't see how those would have been useful anyways.

No luck on finding anything local. Guess I will be lifting these the old fashion way.
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What does the 'Rilla NOT have that makes things easier

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