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Does anyone near New Orleans, LA have a set of Noesis speakers that they wouldn't mind auditioning (to a complete stranger lol)? I have some older 228-LP's and I'm just wondering if the upgrade would be worth the effort.

Do you mean 888 LP's?
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Do you mean 888 LP's?
Yes, I'm sorry for the confusion. http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/triple-8ht-lp/


Thank you Carp for catching me.
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Does anyone near New Orleans, LA have a set of Noesis speakers that they wouldn't mind auditioning (to a complete stranger lol)? I have some older 228-LP's and I'm just wondering if the upgrade would be worth the effort.
I read something on a Salk page awhile back. It said you know your a Salk owner if you have never invited your neighbors into your home, but you have invited a complete stranger in to listen to your Salk speakers for hours. It is so true. I think the same could be said for JTR owners.

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Yes, I'm sorry for the confusion. http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/triple-8ht-lp/


Thank you Carp for catching me.

Sure man. If you ever have a reason to be close to KC you'll get a plethora of JTR demo's! Everything from 228's, 212's, 215's, Orbit Shifters, ported big boy Captivators.....
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I read some thing on a Salk page awhile back. It said you know your a Salk owner if you have invited a complete stranger into you home to sit and listen to your Salk speakers for hours when you have never even spoken or invited your next door neighbor into your home. I would say the same thing applies to JTR owners. Funny but true

Guilty!!

I have had 3 of my neighbors into my basement.... haha, I don't think it counts though because I had them over to help me stack or unstack subs.

I can't even remember how many strangers I have had in to listen to the 212's.
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I've had well over 100 different people to my place since getting all my JTR gear and my subs. Editors to well known science mags, a guy from Japan that was here on business lol, a few hockey players from the Jets, Blue bombers, man, all sorts of people.
I've yet to have 1 bad experience with anyone. I like my only 2 neighbors that matter, they come and watch movies quite often.
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The process could not be easier ... but is time consuming if you have a lot of channels.

BTW, the people who run Audyssey Pro Calibration are usually not Pros (more like Cons ). Having had the Pro Kit, it is a rather dubious automated process with very little manual override.



Wow, that is a lot of Audyssey angst ...
My buddy Chad is pretty good at calibrating and has been doing it for a long time. In fact he has been doing my video and audio since 2002. Not saying he is an "Audyssey Pro", but he has always worked wonders on my system.
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I'm in north Houston (The Woodlands/Conroe) area. I have a 7.2 jtr system. Not sure if you want to travel that far but I'd give you a demo. I have the 212 lp up front and 4 slanted 8s for surrounds. We are going to have another theater met in August if you want to time that out and see some another room and meet the gang here.

I have a build thread under College Park 4K Cinema.
That'd be awesome to attend the GTG! Will you be demoing your 212s there? I'll see if my wife is cool with me getting out of town for a day... can you PM me the details? Thanks!
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My buddy Chad is pretty good at calibrating and has been doing it for a long time. In fact he has been doing my video and audio since 2002. Not saying he is an "Audyssey Pro", but he has always worked wonders on my system.
For many Audyssey XT32 works wonders. Pro does give a bit more tweaking capability but the Audyssey graphs are deceiving. The main thing you should do (IMHO ) is as Carp suggested, run the 215RT's with no EQ in full range in stereo mode. That is where they really shine.

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I've had well over 100 different people to my place since getting all my JTR gear and my subs. Editors to well known science mags, a guy from Japan that was here on business lol, a few hockey players from the Jets, Blue bombers, man, all sorts of people.
I've yet to have 1 bad experience with anyone. I like my only 2 neighbors that matter, they come and watch movies quite often.
Well I've had Kings and Queens (I'm close to San Francisco) along with an occasional homeless person and they all loved the HT.

Oh yeah neighbors too ...
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For many Audyssey XT32 works wonders. Pro does give a bit more tweaking capability but the Audyssey graphs are deceiving. The main thing you should do (IMHO ) is as Carp suggested, run the 215RT's with no EQ in full range in stereo mode. That is where they really shine.
David and I turned Audyssey off, adjusted the levels and ran them in full range.

We watched some movie clips with and without the subs on. It was impressive to hear how well the RT/RM combo did on their own with no subs.

The last thing we did was watch a few clips of the Metallica Blu-ray in two channel stereo and no subs. Blew me away...

On Sunday we are going to finish everything up and try to do some EQ'ing with the Nanoavr. The treatments will also be finished.

Don't worry Beast, we will run some tests with no treatments to get at a good A/B comparison.
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As promised, here is a better picture (sorry for the spots, need to clean the lens on my digital camera that I rarely use) of Coach's 215 array. We'll finish the treatments and DSPing on Sunday.

Oh yeah, I forgot to put my initial thoughts on the 215s. Upon entering the room, my first thought was what's up with the huge black refrigerator in the home theater room. Damn those 215RTs are huge. Sound is huge too and I can't wait to hear them dialed in better and with treatments installed on the front wall and on ceiling. So far the sonic impressions are that they are a little more laid back than the 212s but without any loss in detail. Haven't noticed much more on the midbass but we were doing vanilla listening without anything more than settings levels. We'll definitely be dialing up the midbass and watching the Book of Eli Gatling gun scene.

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As promised, here is a better picture (sorry for the spots, need to clean the lens on my digital camera that I rarely use) of Coach's 215 array. We'll finish the treatments and DSPing on Sunday.

Oh yeah, I forgot to put my initial thoughts on the 215s. Upon entering the room, my first thought was what's up with the huge black refrigerator in the home theater room. Damn those 215RTs are huge. Sound is huge too and I can't wait to hear them dialed in better and with treatments installed on the front wall and on ceiling. So far the sonic impressions are that they are a little more laid back than the 212s but without any loss in detail. Haven't noticed much more on the midbass but we were doing vanilla listening without anything more than settings levels. We'll definitely be dialing up the midbass and watching the Book of Eli Gatling gun scene.


Thank you posting a better picture.

It was nice to hear these with the settings correct. Gets me excited about the potential of what these can do once everything is in place.
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Sure man. If you ever have a reason to be close to KC you'll get a plethora of JTR demo's! Everything from 228's, 212's, 215's, Orbit Shifters, ported big boy Captivators.....
Cool. Thank you for the invitation. I rarely have an opportunity to travel more than a few hours away, but if I'm ever in your neck of the woods I'll be sure to call.
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A little bit of this yesterday. Very nice day with a group of good guys.


This time I really liked the SH50's. I am really looking forward to a 215 vs SH50. The Yorkvilles even impressed me as they were pretty much on par with the SH50 especially at higher volumes.

The book of Eli scene was sick. I think I heard that somebody just got hooked on pro audio speakers
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A little bit of this yesterday. Very nice day with a group of good guys.


This time I really liked the SH50's. I am really looking forward to a 215 vs SH50. The Yorkvilles even impressed me as they were pretty much on par with the SH50 especially at higher volumes.

The book of Eli scene was sick. I think somebody just got hooked on pro audio speakers
Which gtg was this?
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A little bit of this yesterday. Very nice day with a group of good guys.


This time I really liked the SH50's. I am really looking forward to a 215 vs SH50. The Yorkvilles even impressed me as they were pretty much on par with the SH50 especially at higher volumes.

The book of Eli scene was sick. I think somebody just got hooked on pro audio speakers
Gorilla has an awesome theater that can put out some serious SPL. The Danleys and Yorkvilles were amazing but not planning to sell the 212's anytime soon. Great meeting all you guys. Thanks for coordinating this mini GTG.
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Just a little local GTG yesterday. A little jam session and then out to dinner.
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Just a little local GTG yesterday. A little jam session and then out to dinner.
Thanks.

I did find some posts about it in his build thread.

I am considering moving my 228's to my living room and buying yorkville U215's to get more midbass.
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I did find some posts about it in his build thread.

I am considering moving my 228's to my living room and buying yorkville U215's to get more midbass.
Talk to Gorilla about them. He would know best about them as he has had them as long as I have had my 212's. We switched the SH50's to the U215's for the last hour and at first I could not even really tell we switched, but at lower volumes I could tell there was an audible difference, but when the Yorks are cranked up they really shine. I could really sit every weekend and just listen to different speakers. At this point I just cannot wait to get my theater done so and blast my own speakers.
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Update...
David and I finished hanging my room treatments today/tonight. We ran out of time to do any eq'ing, so we just listened to the opening scene in Transformers..didn't notice any major change except the dialog was nice and clear.

Again, all we have done is set the RT's to full range and put the crossover on the RM to 60hz.(this was changed from 80hz.)

The only complaint(I use the term lightly) is that I haven't heard any change in the mid bass...but I am assuming that is due to no EQ applied.

Is this correct?
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Again, all we have done is set the RT's to full range and put the crossover on the RM to 60hz.(this was changed from 80hz.)

The only complaint(I use the term lightly) is that I haven't heard any change in the mid bass...but I am assuming that is due to no EQ applied.

Is this correct?
All the JTR speakers are flat, so you wouldn't hear any mid-bass difference between the 212's and 215's if they aren't eq'd.

That's why I love the inuke dsp so much since you can eq the bass exactly how you like.
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All the JTR speakers are flat, so you wouldn't hear any mid-bass difference between the 212's and 215's if they aren't eq'd.

That's why I love the inuke dsp so much since you can eq the bass exactly how you like.
That makes sense.

I have a Nanoavr that I am going to use for the first time, with the help of David, on my 215's.
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That makes sense.

I have a Nanoavr that I am going to use for the first time, with the help of David, on my 215's.
Question: What home theater house curve should I be targeting for Coach's 215RTs, 215RM, and 8 SI18s?
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All the JTR speakers are flat, so you wouldn't hear any mid-bass difference between the 212's and 215's if they aren't eq'd.

That's why I love the inuke dsp so much since you can eq the bass exactly how you like.
Carp, have you tried using the inuke to eq your previous 212s as Jeff suggested (boosting the 120hz-150hz range)... if so, how does that stand up to the 215s boosted?
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Gorilla has an awesome theater that can put out some serious SPL. The Danleys and Yorkvilles were amazing but not planning to sell the 212's anytime soon. Great meeting all you guys. Thanks for coordinating this mini GTG.
David - Great meeting you as well! I'm glad you got a chance to make it out this weekend and have some fun prior to the start of your work week. Did you make it out to Craig's on Sunday?

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David and I finished hanging my room treatments today/tonight. We ran out of time to do any eq'ing, so we just listened to the opening scene in Transformers..didn't notice any major change except the dialog was nice and clear.

Again, all we have done is set the RT's to full range and put the crossover on the RM to 60hz.(this was changed from 80hz.)

The only complaint(I use the term lightly) is that I haven't heard any change in the mid bass...but I am assuming that is due to no EQ applied.

Is this correct?
I'm really interested in hearing feedback on the 215RMs - especially those integrating with a slew of sealed subs. I'd imagine integration would be far easier!
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David - Great meeting you as well! I'm glad you got a chance to make it out this weekend and have some fun prior to the start of your work week. Did you make it out to Craig's on Sunday?



I'm really interested in hearing feedback on the 215RMs - especially those integrating with a slew of sealed subs. I'd imagine integration would be far easier!
I know I chatted with you at dinner about the RT's and from what I have been told you really do not need subs for music, that of course with a good amp and EQ. Unless Carp has changed his opinion, but he has told me you can run the 215's just fine on their own for music and that means allot from a guy that loves bass. I had thought about the 215RM, but after thinking about it, I don't think there would be anything to be gained over my 212's, I actually think you would loose allot of the dynamics. The beauty of the 215RT is that you can run them full range (2 CH) for music and cross them over and run them with your sealed subs. I may be wrong, but from what I am gathering, I think anyone considering the 215RM's would be much better off with the 212's for mains.
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Question: What home theater house curve should I be targeting for Coach's 215RTs, 215RM, and 8 SI18s?
Sounds like you should start by bumping the mid-bass region.

But seriously, the minidsp seems to have all the necessary tools to get the desired result. The specific curve is a matter of preference (e.g. Coach's).

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I know I chatted with you at dinner about the RT's and from what I have been told you really do not need subs for music, that of course with a good amp and EQ. Unless Carp has changed his opinion, but he has told me you can run the 215's just fine on their own for music and that means allot from a guy that loves bass. I had thought about the 215RM, but after thinking about it, I don't think there would be anything to be gained over my 212's, I actually think you would loose allot of the dynamics. The beauty of the 215RT is that you can run them full range for music and cross them over and run them with your sealed subs. I may be wrong, but from what I am gathering, I think anyone considering the 215RM's would be much better off with the 212's for mains.
Not sure about much better off but I suspect you're thinking about efficiency. In those terms I agree but there are differences in the horn that may make the 215RM a better option for some. Also, the 15" woofers may have more to give in that all important mid-bass region.

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