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David - Great meeting you as well! I'm glad you got a chance to make it out this weekend and have some fun prior to the start of your work week. Did you make it out to Craig's on Sunday?
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Yes I did. Craig has a great setup and gave me an outstanding demo of what those Triads can do - an incredible amount of detail and a huge soundstage.

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Yeah I wonder if something is up... the first night I just hooked up my avr to the 215's and cranked them up pretty loud. Nothing like what I can do with the inuke and not close to the CV5000 but still....
Jeff (JTR) seems to like his speakers flat and for music that might be okay but Coach primarily uses his speakers for theater so I'd say at this point Coach is a little underwhelmed with the sound although the soundstage probably has him pretty happy. I thought the 215s sounded good, not great, and to an extent I liked them better than the 212s (upper freq range). Once we get them dialed in to his room with a movie curve, he should have a smile from ear to ear. Let's just say patience isn't Coach's strong suit.
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I tweak all the bass all the time, but here is what i had it the inuke dsp set to last ^. Pretty similar to yours Brandon, except for you have more bass up to around 150hz, I'll try that out! Do you set the bass and forget it or do you tweak it a lot when listening to music?
By the way, is that 1/12 smoothing or what do you use when trying to get the freq. range dialed in on DSP?
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Jeff (JTR) seems to like his speakers flat and for music that might be okay but Coach primarily uses his speakers for theater so I'd say at this point Coach is a little underwhelmed with the sound although the soundstage probably has him pretty happy. I thought the 215s sounded good, not great, and to an extent I liked them better than the 212s (upper freq range). Once we get them dialed in to his room with a movie curve, he should have a smile from ear to ear. Let's just say patience isn't Coach's strong suit.
HEY...NOW....why would you say that?

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Let's just say patience isn't Coach's strong suit.
What? This is the first I've heard about this...
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By the way, is that 1/12 smoothing or what do you use when trying to get the freq. range dialed in on DSP?
I think that is no DSP minus some dynamic EQ on his setup. With my comparative curve, it is with absolutely no EQ at all, just a boosted subwoofer channel. Since then I have smoothed the sub freq a little more and brought the bottom end up enough to make a solid rise all the way through the entire bass spectrum instead of that little dip back down after the 40hz area.
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Jeff (JTR) seems to like his speakers flat and for music that might be okay but Coach primarily uses his speakers for theater so I'd say at this point Coach is a little underwhelmed with the sound although the soundstage probably has him pretty happy. I thought the 215s sounded good, not great, and to an extent I liked them better than the 212s (upper freq range). Once we get them dialed in to his room with a movie curve, he should have a smile from ear to ear. Let's just say patience isn't Coach's strong suit.
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What? This is the first I've heard about this...
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Thanks.

I did find some posts about it in his build thread.

I am considering moving my 228's to my living room and buying yorkville U215's to get more midbass.
I also have had the U215's on my mind as well. Great speaker on paper and reviews I have read. And the unity horn design goes along with the theory that a speaker is the sum of all the parts and not a single expensive driver.

For those of you who have experience with the Yorkville's...I assume the mid bass slam, impact and all around dynamic effect is pretty good right? More than JTR's?

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I also have had the U215's on my mind as well. Great speaker on paper and reviews I have read. And the unity horn design goes along with the theory that a speaker is the sum of all the parts and not a single expensive driver.

For those of you who have experience with the Yorkville's...I assume the mid bass slam, impact and all around dynamic effect is pretty good right? More than JTR's?
Along with that...and this may be for Dlbeck. I know you will keep your 212s (and midbass modules ) but which did you like better out of the Yorkville and Danley?
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Along with that...and this may be for Dlbeck. I know you will keep your 212s (and midbass modules ) but which did you like better out of the Yorkville and Danley?
Obviously highly subjective but if I had to choose on my limited listening session I would take the Yorkvilles. Of course only after the 212's.
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Yes I did. Craig has a great setup and gave me a outstanding demo of what those Triads can do - an I incredible amount of detail and a huge soundstage.
That is another system (besides your's ) that I would really like to hear. Nice AV weekend for you.

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I also have had the U215's on my mind as well. Great speaker on paper and reviews I have read. And the unity horn design goes along with the theory that a speaker is the sum of all the parts and not a single expensive driver.

For those of you who have experience with the Yorkville's...I assume the mid bass slam, impact and all around dynamic effect is pretty good right? More than JTR's?
There are a few GTG's coming up that will have the yorkvilles and various JTR speakers.

The MN GTG will have the yorkvilles and JTR 215RT's. The Vancouver GTG will have the yorkvilles, JTR228's and some Seos kits.

I am very interested in these!
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I wish somebody in my area had some U215's. A customer of mine had some for sale last year, but they were in horrible shape and two of them didn't even work.

Be nice to hear three of them as LCR some time..
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That is comparing the unity design to the synergy design which is several generations ahead of the unity, with much more refinement. Both Danley concepts obviously, but the unity was one of his first foray's into the concept, at which point he sold to yorkville to utilize the name and concept and moved on towards what we now see in the sh50 and other synergy designs. I remember a similar study pitting the directivity of the york to the Triple12 and it was pretty clear that that york had a MUCH better dispersion pattern. Now putting it head to head against the 212, or now 215, I would love to see that.
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Looks like my wimpy Sunfire TGA-7401 might not be enough power to properly show off my new speakers...

Guess I need another amp… :roll eyes:
When Jeff was showing the 215's at Axpona he used an oppo with 80 wpc and everybody seemed to think they sounded great. What is your amp rated per channel?

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Along with that...and this may be for Dlbeck. I know you will keep your 212s (and midbass modules ) but which did you like better out of the Yorkville and Danley?
I will jump in here and say that I thought they were pretty even, at one point I did not even realize we changed mains. There was a difference though and I could not explain it. Klipsh (Justin) had said the same thing. The difference was not good or bad. I had thought it was just a wee bit flatter in the mid range. This time around I really liked the SH50's and in the end I would have picked them. We spent a majority of the day with them and I just thought they sounded really good. We had watched the Eagles (Band) BluRay and it felt like you were in audience. I am going to have to pick that one up.
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Guess I need another amp… :roll eyes:
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Along with that...and this may be for Dlbeck. I know you will keep your 212s (and midbass modules ) but which did you like better out of the Yorkville and Danley?
I will jump in here and say that I thought they were pretty even, at one point I did not even realize we changed mains. After a little while I did notice there was a difference though and I could not explain it. Klipsh (Justin) had said the same thing. The difference was not good or bad. I had thought it was just a wee bit flatter in the mid range. This time around I really liked the SH50's and in the end I would have picked them. We spent a majority of the day with them and I just thought they sounded really good. We had watched the Eagles (Band) BluRay and it felt like you were in audience. I am going to have to pick that one up.
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When Jeff was showing the 215's at Axpona he used an oppo with 80 wpc and everybody seemed to think they sounded great. What is your amp rated per channel?
Coach is putting 400 wpc through the 215s. I think it is safe to say he has enough power to make them sing...we just need to EQ them.

Which brings up a good question...was Jeff running the 215s at Axpona with no EQ? Anyone know?
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Coach is putting 400 wpc through the 215s. I think it is safe to say he has enough power to make them sing...we just need to EQ them.

Which brings up a good question...was Jeff running the 215s at Axpona with no EQ? Anyone know?
I thought about that but forgot to throw it in. I think that link with the picture shows the story.

However from that post it sounds like he said there was not enough power?

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When Jeff was showing the 215's at Axpona he used an oppo with 80 wpc and everybody seemed to think they sounded great. What is your amp rated per channel?

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I will jump in here and say that I thought they were pretty even, at one point I did not even realize we changed mains. There was a difference though and I could not explain it. Klipsh (Justin) had said the same thing. The difference was not good or bad. I had thought it was just a wee bit flatter in the mid range. This time around I really liked the SH50's and in the end I would have picked them. We spent a majority of the day with them and I just thought they sounded really good. We had watched the Eagles (Band) BluRay and it felt like you were in audience. I am going to have to pick that one up.
Which Eagles blu ray? I will have to check it out too

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Coach is putting 400 wpc through the 215s. I think it is safe to say he has enough power to make them sing...we just need to EQ them.

Which brings up a good question...was Jeff running the 215s at Axpona with no EQ? Anyone know?
800 wpc at 4 ohms on the sunfire btw
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Which Eagles blu ray? I will have to check it out too
Craig John brought it, I think it was the Farewell tour. I seen the cover from a distance and pretty sure it was this > http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Ea...Blu-ray/63541/
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Fellas, you might be interested some directivity measurements of the Yorkville U215's alongside a couple of DIY Synergy horns. These are a few years old now and I have no idea whether or not Yorkville have refined the design since.

Here is the measurement setup: http://redspade-audio.blogspot.com.a...surements.html (Mainly for the second pic - gives a good sense of the size.)

And here are the results and a bit of commentary: http://redspade-audio.blogspot.com.a...surements.html

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No surprise there: larger horn = better pattern control and dispersion. Same would hold true for any of the smaller horns including the XR1464 18 sounds horn used in the 212. For most residential rooms and seating positions they are very adequate still, but obviously not on par with much larger horns such as the the SH50, Noesis 215, or even the SEOS 24.

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Craig John brought it, I think it was the Farewell tour. I seen the cover from a distance and pretty sure it was this > http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Ea...Blu-ray/63541/
That's the one! Bill from Ontario bought me that disc after one of the GTGs, it is very well recorded. Hotel California is my favorite track.

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800 wpc at 4 ohms on the sunfire btw
That obviously won't do. We need to get Jeff to buy a Dsonic stat! Thanks for the correction.
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That obviously won't do. We need to get Jeff to buy a Dsonic stat! Thanks for the correction.
Haha...I am sticking with the Sunfire for now.
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Craig John brought it, I think it was the Farewell tour. I seen the cover from a distance and pretty sure it was this > http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Ea...Blu-ray/63541/
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That obviously won't do. We need to get Jeff to buy a Dsonic stat! Thanks for the correction.
If you are looking for a glowing review, then I will give one, the Dsonic is awesome. If you are looking for approving to suggest Jeff move from 800 watts per channel up to 1050 wpc like my dsonic does, you won't get it he would have to go to 1600 for an added 3dB? seems highly unnecessary unless he regularly cruises at +10dB. Now if you start getting silly on the house curve on the bottom, then I would argue to keep that sunfire, and buy a pro amp just for the mains, and those extra two channels you gain on the sunfire could be for atmos or something when the time comes... but not a whole new amp. The sunfire is a killer piece.
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If you are looking for approving to suggest Jeff move from 800 watts per channel up to 1050 wpc like my dsonic does, you won't get it he would have to go to 1600 for an added 3dB? seems highly unnecessary unless he regularly cruises at +10dB. Now if you start getting silly on the house curve on the bottom, then I would argue to keep that sunfire, and buy a pro amp just for the mains, and those extra two channels you gain on the sunfire could be for atmos or something when the time comes... but not a whole new amp. The sunfire is a killer piece.
No...look at his original post...it was his idea...and I agree with you...unnecessary...especially since he doesn't go nuts with the volume.
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Can anybody say whether or not Jeff had EQ on the 215's at Axpona?? Where is the Axpona crew at?
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Can anybody say whether or not Jeff had EQ on the 215's at Axpona?? Where is the Axpona crew at?
This is conjecture but it seems as if Jeff is somewhat of a music purist and may not be into HT as much...which is sort of interesting considering the 212s have the HT moniker on them. But even his 215s without EQ are not midbass monsters. I couldn't say they are light on midbass because they absolutely aren't but they are a little thin OUT OF THE BOX for midbass in movies.
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This is conjecture but it seems as if Jeff is somewhat of a music purist and may not be into HT as much...which is sort of interesting considering the 212s have the HT moniker on them. But even his 215s without EQ are not midbass monsters. I couldn't say they are light on midbass because they absolutely aren't but they are a little thin OUT OF THE BOX for midbass in movies.


That's why pretty much everyone boosts the bass. You (and I.... and most people) would say the same thing about a pair of speakers crossed over to subs that were set to flat.

Are there speakers out there that are purposely made to not be flat and have boosted bass out of the box? Jeff says all his speakers are designed to be flat, I assume that's what every speaker maker does and then it's up to the individual to tweak that.
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Ya, I cranked mine up first thing LOL I'm almost 8 dB's over flat on the mid

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Here are the REW measurements for Pre and Post treatment results from Coach's room. We added treatments to the ceiling, and all along the front wall including the right front corner. Next steps are for us to meet and get some DSP manipulation going.







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