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Carp, although this may not be perfectly controlled experiment I think it has a lot of practical and useful information about running more juice. Amp ratings (and exactly how they were determined), speaker impedence loads at various frequencies and so on, all have an impact and this is a great quick real world test IMHO

Thanks Lance.

Another thing I want to point out, if I hadn't been starting intently at the clip lights I would have gone above the level of flickering because the sound was still soooo clean. So, I believe you can get a bit more output before bad things/bad sounds etc. will happen.

Not that I'm going to do that on any kind of consistent basis, but on a rare out of control demo for a short burst I'm sure it would be fine.

I used to have SOLID (and stayed solid for awhile) red lights on my ep4000 many times and never did any damage to the Captivators - or the amp. Today I was looking for the very slightest flicker of red.
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Dgage might have to rent a box truck to bring all that gear over tomorrow. Haha

I am looking forward to playing and learning some tomorrow. No doubt that these will be sounding a ton better tomorrow.

That would be killing me!! Just fire them up in 2 channel stereo, no subs, no other speakers, and listen to some music.

That's what I did the first night after getting home from the gtg and I couldn't turn off the system until close to 4 AM.
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Is there anyone in the San Antonio, TX area who wouldn't mind allowing me to audition some JTRs? I'm considering a set of the Noesis 228s, but I'd really like to hear them (or anything with the JTR sound) first. Thanks.
I'm in north Houston (The Woodlands/Conroe) area. I have a 7.2 jtr system. Not sure if you want to travel that far but I'd give you a demo. I have the 212 lp up front and 4 slanted 8s for surrounds. We are going to have another theater met in August if you want to time that out and see some another room and meet the gang here.

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I'm in north Houston (The Woodlands/Conroe) area. I have a 7.2 jtr system. Not sure if you want to travel that far but I'd give you a demo. I have the 212 lp up front and 4 slanted 8s for surrounds. We are going to have another theater met in August if you want to time that out and see some another room and meet the gang here.

I have a build thread under College Park 4K Cinema.

Hey Randy,

I hear Houston is lovely in August!

Seriously though, I would love to be able to make it down your way some day to see your HT - and Pain Affliction's too, I think he lives somewhat close to you.
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Hey Randy,

I hear Houston is lovely in August!

Seriously though, I would love to be able to make it down your way some day to see your HT - and Pain Affliction's too, I think he lives somewhat close to you.
Haha....you forget I grew up in Kansas and it's not the best time of the year there either. But yes...it does tend to get a bit warm and sticky then.

Yes...Pain is over in Katy. That would be like you running to Lawrence. I have been wanting to go see him and his room but he can't stop the mods long enough to have company.

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Haha....you forget I grew up in Kansas and it's not the best time of the year there either. But yes...it does tend to get a bit warm and sticky then.

Yes...Pain is over in Katy. That would be like you running to Lawrence. I have been wanting to go see him and his room but he can't stop the mods long enough to have company.

We may need to talk about the 215s. I am thinking...maybe the 215RMs.

Yeah I remembered - but hey this summer has been cake!! Only a handful of days have even cracked 90, next week the highs are in the 70's again - it's crazy. 2 years ago my lawn had already died by this point. I'm not exaggerating - DEAD. Walking on it without shoes would cut your feet, haha. I had to start over and plant all new seed that fall. This year haven't watered once and it's all green.

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I am going to head back up in a little while, turn off Audyssey and see what happens...


Tomorrow will be when we dive in and see what they can do.
Turn that garbage off and try listening to a few things again.

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I'll be bringing my gear over; DB meter, MiniDSP UMIK-1, Laptop with REW and NanoAVR software. We'll have some fun and hopefully have this dialed in pretty good...at least for this amateur. I'm sure Coach will be happy to get his calibrator Chad back down to really fix things up but in this case...beggars can't be choosy.

Oh, I'll also be bringing his treatments I built along with a compressor and pneumatic upholstery stapler so we can upholster his treatments. So don't expect the audio portion until the afternoon as we'll be treating his entire front wall and front ceiling with treatments first. Pictures forthcoming.
I would love it if you guys did a non audyssey listen (and sweep) before you start tossing the treatments up. I neglected to do this last time I added my ceiling panels and front wall treatment and have been kicking myself for not doing so ever since. I am just interested in your plug and play opinion before anything major has been changed (but without audyssey). Did I mention to turn off audyssey?

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As long as you have Audyssey (XT32?) you might as well give it a go assuming you were happy with Audyssey before. I have found Audyssey helpful but when you have the ability to measure and EQ using other tools, Audyssey provides less value. IMHO

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Beast, it makes sense that you want us to listen before adding treatments and I was thinking the same thing. But what I wasn't as clear on was what you wanted done with Audyssey.
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As long as you have Audyssey (XT32?) you might as well give it a go assuming you were happy with Audyssey before. I have found Audyssey helpful but when you have the ability to measure and EQ using other tools, Audyssey provides less value. IMHO
In this case RMK, Coach has always had a pro come in with the pro Audyssey tools to run the Audyssey calibration. Since I don't have a pre/pro with Audyssey, I'm not as clear on how to use XT32 effectively on his Denon 4520. So I'm probably all for bypassing Audyssey for much of our early testing but may give it a go later. We'll also be bringing the NanoAVR into the mix for DSP control.
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Beast, it makes sense that you want us to listen before adding treatments and I was thinking the same thing. But what I wasn't as clear on was what you wanted done with Audyssey.
If I could burn Audyssey with a napalm bomb, I would...

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In this case RMK, Coach has always had a pro come in with the pro Audyssey tools to run the Audyssey calibration. Since I don't have a pre/pro with Audyssey, I'm not as clear on how to use XT32 effectively on his Denon 4520. So I'm probably all for bypassing Audyssey for much of our early testing but may give it a go later. We'll also be bringing the NanoAVR into the mix for DSP control.
The process could not be easier ... but is time consuming if you have a lot of channels.

BTW, the people who run Audyssey Pro Calibration are usually not Pros (more like Cons ). Having had the Pro Kit, it is a rather dubious automated process with very little manual override.

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If I could burn Audyssey with a napalm bomb, I would...
Wow, that is a lot of Audyssey angst ...

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I really hate the thought of this, but I am having thoughts of selling my 4 slanted 8's and getting 6 smaller speakers. This really sucks.
I hate to hear that they might not work for you. If you do decide to sell, I'd like to throw my hat in the ring. I'd rather you figure out a way to get them to work in your space though.
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If I could burn Audyssey with a napalm bomb, I would...
Dang Beast I guess you really lime Audyssey. I myself keep it turned off on my ancient Onkyo TX-SR805 (waiting for the dust to clear on Dolby Atmos and DTS MDA before upgrading). I also don't like the Audyssey eq'd sound in my space.

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Yep, it does great for some people I guess, but at least in my room, it robs my entire setup of its fantastic soundstage, sterilizes the sound, and never gets the crossover region right with the distance settings for the subs and such. I haven't run an audyssey calibration period for almost a year now, and STILL I find Audyssey being "automatically" engaged on some sources. I watched half a movie not too long ago wondering why it sounded off and then looked on the display to see the little audyssey badge lit. I wanted to rip the frigging unit out and smash whatever "Chip" controls that...just to avoid it. Ended up doing a full reset and that keeps it from automatically coming on now, since the unit thinks I have never actually done a calibration....

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I hate to hear that they might not work for you. If you do decide to sell, I'd like to throw my hat in the ring. I'd rather you figure out a way to get them to work in your space though.
Thanks. When I began this project of mine, they were fine where they were going. I actually still have them in the boxes waiting to be installed. I had changed some things around in my room and the changes offset the space I had to mount my slanted 8's. I knew things would inter fear with things, but last night I really looked at it and it may really be a problem to mount the S8's on the sides. I am going to see what I can do.
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Does anyone near New Orleans, LA have a set of Noesis speakers that they wouldn't mind auditioning (to a complete stranger lol)? I have some older 228-LP's and I'm just wondering if the upgrade would be worth the effort.
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Does anyone near New Orleans, LA have a set of Noesis speakers that they wouldn't mind auditioning (to a complete stranger lol)? I have some older 228-LP's and I'm just wondering if the upgrade would be worth the effort.

Do you mean 888 LP's?
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Do you mean 888 LP's?
Yes, I'm sorry for the confusion. http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/triple-8ht-lp/


Thank you Carp for catching me.
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Does anyone near New Orleans, LA have a set of Noesis speakers that they wouldn't mind auditioning (to a complete stranger lol)? I have some older 228-LP's and I'm just wondering if the upgrade would be worth the effort.
I read something on a Salk page awhile back. It said you know your a Salk owner if you have never invited your neighbors into your home, but you have invited a complete stranger in to listen to your Salk speakers for hours. It is so true. I think the same could be said for JTR owners.

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Yes, I'm sorry for the confusion. http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/triple-8ht-lp/


Thank you Carp for catching me.

Sure man. If you ever have a reason to be close to KC you'll get a plethora of JTR demo's! Everything from 228's, 212's, 215's, Orbit Shifters, ported big boy Captivators.....
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I read some thing on a Salk page awhile back. It said you know your a Salk owner if you have invited a complete stranger into you home to sit and listen to your Salk speakers for hours when you have never even spoken or invited your next door neighbor into your home. I would say the same thing applies to JTR owners. Funny but true

Guilty!!

I have had 3 of my neighbors into my basement.... haha, I don't think it counts though because I had them over to help me stack or unstack subs.

I can't even remember how many strangers I have had in to listen to the 212's.
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I've had well over 100 different people to my place since getting all my JTR gear and my subs. Editors to well known science mags, a guy from Japan that was here on business lol, a few hockey players from the Jets, Blue bombers, man, all sorts of people.
I've yet to have 1 bad experience with anyone. I like my only 2 neighbors that matter, they come and watch movies quite often.
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BTW, the people who run Audyssey Pro Calibration are usually not Pros (more like Cons ). Having had the Pro Kit, it is a rather dubious automated process with very little manual override.



Wow, that is a lot of Audyssey angst ...
My buddy Chad is pretty good at calibrating and has been doing it for a long time. In fact he has been doing my video and audio since 2002. Not saying he is an "Audyssey Pro", but he has always worked wonders on my system.
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I'm in north Houston (The Woodlands/Conroe) area. I have a 7.2 jtr system. Not sure if you want to travel that far but I'd give you a demo. I have the 212 lp up front and 4 slanted 8s for surrounds. We are going to have another theater met in August if you want to time that out and see some another room and meet the gang here.

I have a build thread under College Park 4K Cinema.
That'd be awesome to attend the GTG! Will you be demoing your 212s there? I'll see if my wife is cool with me getting out of town for a day... can you PM me the details? Thanks!
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My buddy Chad is pretty good at calibrating and has been doing it for a long time. In fact he has been doing my video and audio since 2002. Not saying he is an "Audyssey Pro", but he has always worked wonders on my system.
For many Audyssey XT32 works wonders. Pro does give a bit more tweaking capability but the Audyssey graphs are deceiving. The main thing you should do (IMHO ) is as Carp suggested, run the 215RT's with no EQ in full range in stereo mode. That is where they really shine.

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I've had well over 100 different people to my place since getting all my JTR gear and my subs. Editors to well known science mags, a guy from Japan that was here on business lol, a few hockey players from the Jets, Blue bombers, man, all sorts of people.
I've yet to have 1 bad experience with anyone. I like my only 2 neighbors that matter, they come and watch movies quite often.
Well I've had Kings and Queens (I'm close to San Francisco) along with an occasional homeless person and they all loved the HT.

Oh yeah neighbors too ...
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For many Audyssey XT32 works wonders. Pro does give a bit more tweaking capability but the Audyssey graphs are deceiving. The main thing you should do (IMHO ) is as Carp suggested, run the 215RT's with no EQ in full range in stereo mode. That is where they really shine.
David and I turned Audyssey off, adjusted the levels and ran them in full range.

We watched some movie clips with and without the subs on. It was impressive to hear how well the RT/RM combo did on their own with no subs.

The last thing we did was watch a few clips of the Metallica Blu-ray in two channel stereo and no subs. Blew me away...

On Sunday we are going to finish everything up and try to do some EQ'ing with the Nanoavr. The treatments will also be finished.

Don't worry Beast, we will run some tests with no treatments to get at a good A/B comparison.
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As promised, here is a better picture (sorry for the spots, need to clean the lens on my digital camera that I rarely use) of Coach's 215 array. We'll finish the treatments and DSPing on Sunday.

Oh yeah, I forgot to put my initial thoughts on the 215s. Upon entering the room, my first thought was what's up with the huge black refrigerator in the home theater room. Damn those 215RTs are huge. Sound is huge too and I can't wait to hear them dialed in better and with treatments installed on the front wall and on ceiling. So far the sonic impressions are that they are a little more laid back than the 212s but without any loss in detail. Haven't noticed much more on the midbass but we were doing vanilla listening without anything more than settings levels. We'll definitely be dialing up the midbass and watching the Book of Eli Gatling gun scene.

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