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post #21361 of 30542 Old 07-18-2014, 08:34 PM
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Finally letting 'em loose tonight!!
Can we get a little more video? More of the horn?
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Movie Tip

Just watched "Snowpiercer" on VUDU. It is another very good film by South Korean Director Bong Joon-ho who also did "The Host"

Check it out ...

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1/12 smoothing will be even more ragged than your 1/6th smoothing. That's crazy that the graph is in 1/6th, it looks more like 1/48 for what I'm used to with the omnimic.

Hmmm what the heck? I must not understand how REW works compared to the Omnimic. The REW graphs look so much more ragged in their response (not just yours). Is it a time thing, as in the Onmi captures a longer period of time for it's sweeps or something?
I made this same comment a few months ago about omnimic graphs looking smoker than rew, but I don't have omnimic to test it out with.
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The plastic bag effect was awesome... doesn't work with my OS though... Too bad, YouTube doesn't translate to exactly what you hear on my computer speakers.. haha

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Just watched "Snowpiercer" on VUDU. It is another very good film by South Korean Director Bong Joon-ho who also did "The Host"

Check it out ...
Snowpiercer was SO DAMN GOOD!!! Highly recommended. I enjoyed it better than transformers! A little bit of actual story telling goes a long way in movies... highly recommended!

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Other JTR owners must relish these stories. But believe me, those (frustrated) non-owners living vicariously through this thread also get a big kick out of them too.
Please keep 'em coming!
Totally agreed. I was living vicariously thru all the GTGs, Reviews, for years before even buying the 212s.. now, I am again living vicariously on all the 215 buzz... keep the filthy coming!

I bet out of 1 poster on this forum, there are at least 10 just lurking around... (mostly out of fear of posting on forums due to the nasty 'trolling' that seems to happen so frequently nowadays. I remember a time when you can easily voice your opinions on forums and comments online without worrying about being attacked mercilessly... the internet was so much nicer then. Thank goodness the JTR forums is much better in that regards)
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It has been a rough few weeks waiting for speakers. I have four triple 8ht's coming from jeff soon (for surround duty) and two seaton subversive f2 (slaves) coming in a week or two as well. Don't know when I will have time to install but looking forward to hearing 3 triple 12's and four triple 8's with four seaton subversives

Anyone in the Sarasota area that is knowledgable in REW and could help me setup? Thanks
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Just an update --
I am absolutely loving my 228s and Slant 8s!! (Coupled with my twin Submersives)
My living room is so far from ideal - 18 X 22, hard ceramic floor, mains only 7 feet apart, no room treatments. I do have lots of furniture and a very small throw rug. Also no tuning equipment used other than Audyssey XT-32 in my Denon 4520. Wanted Jeff's big subs but just could not get them to fit so have the Submersives which are wonderful too.

This system is just so crystal clear with absolutely no smearing or mushy sound! My wife would always complain about my old speakers being too loud and now I am typically running these 5db higher with no complaints from her. I attribute that to the speakers being accurate, clear, without distortion. All she wants to do now is watch movies. Oh and they are just as fantastic with music. I like watching concert Blu-Rays and this system rocks!

I would bet 99.9% of the general public would be happy for the rest of their lives with my system - as poorly set up as it is. As I keep reading about the wonders of the 212s and 215s, I keep thinking how much I am enjoying what I have now. Sure I would love to own either of the larger speakers but not really practical in a living room system. For those dreaming or planning to purchase JTR speakers, unless you are building a dedicated theater with lots of funds available, I can join others here touting the abilities of the 228s and Single 8s and can say without a doubt you will be happy no matter what speakers you select.

I will probably move in a few years and hopefully will be able to set up a better room with treatments at that time but for now - I am in Heaven!
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Just an update --
I am absolutely loving my 228s and Slant 8s!! (Coupled with my twin Submersives)
My living room is so far from ideal - hard ceramic floor, mains only 7 feet apart, no room treatments. I do have lots of furniture and a very small throw rug. Also no tuning equipment used other than Audyssey XT-32 in my Denon 4520. Wanted Jeff's big subs but just could not get them to fit so have the Submersives which are wonderful too.

This system is just so crystal clear with absolutely no smearing or mushy sound! My wife would always complain about my old speakers being too loud and now I am typically running these 5db higher with no complaints from her. I attribute that to the speakers being accurate, clear, without distortion. All she wants to do now is watch movies. Oh and they are just as fantastic with music. I like watching concert Blu-Rays and this system rocks!

I would bet 99.9% of the general public would be happy for the rest of their lives with my system - as poorly set up as it is. As I keep reading about the wonders of the 212s and 215s, I keep thinking how much I am enjoying what I have now. Sure I would love to own either of the larger speakers but not really practical in a living room system. For those dreaming or planning to purchase JTR speakers, unless you are building a dedicated theater with lots of funds available, I can join others here touting the abilities of the 228s and Single 8s and can say without a doubt you will be happy no matter what speakers you select.

I will probably move in a few years and hopefully will be able to set up a better room with treatments at that time but for now - I am in Heaven!
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Best not to get trapped in the upgraditis phenomenon...

But then, that's easier said than done...!!!
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I would like to say "we" but not nice to speak for others, but I am spoiled with the sound of these speakers. Very hard when at someone else's house and listen to movie with, say, a bose surround system and then get asked how great they sound. Really can't get over the sound stage that they present.

I can't remember who just posted about snow piercer but you watched it on HUDU? how is the sound quality of that? Is it close to blu ray?
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Just an update --
I am absolutely loving my 228s and Slant 8s!! (Coupled with my twin Submersives)
My living room is so far from ideal - 18 X 22, hard ceramic floor, mains only 7 feet apart, no room treatments. I do have lots of furniture and a very small throw rug. Also no tuning equipment used other than Audyssey XT-32 in my Denon 4520. Wanted Jeff's big subs but just could not get them to fit so have the Submersives which are wonderful too.

This system is just so crystal clear with absolutely no smearing or mushy sound! My wife would always complain about my old speakers being too loud and now I am typically running these 5db higher with no complaints from her. I attribute that to the speakers being accurate, clear, without distortion. All she wants to do now is watch movies. Oh and they are just as fantastic with music. I like watching concert Blu-Rays and this system rocks!

I would bet 99.9% of the general public would be happy for the rest of their lives with my system - as poorly set up as it is. As I keep reading about the wonders of the 212s and 215s, I keep thinking how much I am enjoying what I have now. Sure I would love to own either of the larger speakers but not really practical in a living room system. For those dreaming or planning to purchase JTR speakers, unless you are building a dedicated theater with lots of funds available, I can join others here touting the abilities of the 228s and Single 8s and can say without a doubt you will be happy no matter what speakers you select.

I will probably move in a few years and hopefully will be able to set up a better room with treatments at that time but for now - I am in Heaven!
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I hear you, I watched Men in Black 3 yesterday which is a great movie, IMO the best in the series. The sound was actually really good. I just sat back and marveled at my system, the 212's and slanted 8's sounded great and the Triax's make it all come together. If it were not for my theater build I would have never bought the 215's. I went back and forth on this decision a million times. I have decided what ever speaker sounds best in my theater will stay and the others will go to my wife's living room system she asked for.

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I would like to say "we" but not nice to speak for others, but I am spoiled with the sound of these speakers. Very hard when at someone else's house and listen to movie with, say, a bose surround system and then get asked how great they sound. Really can't get over the sound stage that they present.

I can't remember who just posted about snow piercer but you watched it on HUDU? how is the sound quality of that? Is it close to blu ray?
Twas me and it was on VUDU HD (Netgear NEO TV). They use Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 for their HD content (1080P) and it sounds great. Not quite Bluray DTS HDMA quality but pretty close.

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Yep thus is true. My favorite is that when people actually hear pro audio speakers like JTR, Danley or Yorkvilles etc. for the first time and cannot believe how good they sound. I myself was never surprised, but happy that I finally found the sound I want.
I was surprised when I drove to Fugueness's home to hear the Triple 12's for the first time. He had owned Aerial 10's along with a Danley DTS-20 prior and was loving the T12's. I had Revel Ultima 2 Studio's and Voice 2 speakers with quad JL Fathom subs and both he and I were not too happy that we had spent that much on audio and could not create more realistic sound for movies and concerts. At reference levels in a treated room the Revels sounded strained and would distort when pushed hard (I had plenty of amp power). It was like thinking you own an expensive sports car and finding out it has the performance of a Camry (insert any nondescript sedan}.

When I heard the Triple 12's it was a revelation for me. I could happily listen to high quality DVD-A and SACD's at normal levels and when I wanted to crank it on a bluray concert or big action movie they remained clear with amazing dynamics. The fact that they were only a small fraction of the cost of my "audiophile" speakers was just icing on the cake.

I've never looked back since that initial change over and although I know there are other speakers with similar characteristics, I have never found anything compelling enough to make me change from the brand.

Now, with the 215RT LCR's I have eliminated stand-alone subwoofers in my HT and still get all I want for home theater while having the best 2 channel sound I have ever heard. The setup wasn't easy and it was going against conventional wisdom, but the results are very satisfying and that's what it's all about ... right?
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I was surprised when I drove to Fugueness's home to hear the Triple 12's for the first time. He had owned Aerial 10's along with a Danley DTS-20 prior and was loving the T12's. I had Revel Ultima 2 Studio's and Voice 2 speakers with quad JL Fathom subs and both he and I were not too happy that we had spent that much on audio and could not create more realistic sound for movies and concerts. At reference levels in a treated room the Revels sounded strained and would distort when pushed hard (I had plenty of amp power). It was like thinking you own an expensive sports car and finding out it has the performance of a Camry (insert any nondescript sedan}.

When I heard the Triple 12's it was a revelation for me. I could happily listen to high quality DVD-A and SACD's at normal levels and when I wanted to crank it on a bluray concert or big action movie they remained clear with amazing dynamics. The fact that they were only a small fraction of the cost of my "audiophile" speakers was just icing on the cake.

I've never looked back since that initial change over and although I know there are other speakers with similar characteristics, I have never found anything compelling enough to make me change from the brand.

Now, with the 215RT LCR's I have eliminated stand-alone subwoofers in my HT and still get all I want for home theater while having the best 2 channel sound I have ever heard. The setup wasn't easy and it was going against conventional wisdom, but the results are very satisfying and that's what it's all about … right?
I like the brand also and the only other speaker right now I would like for HT would be the Danley SH50's. However there is another speaker I have heard that I really liked which was the Selah Audio Line Array. For anybody that wants an audiophile speaker but also wants pro audio sound the Selah may be for you. I really liked this speaker. It was one of the speakers at the last Heavy weight GTG. The speaker was on par with all the rest. Considering we had listened to these blind, I thought for sure I could easily pick them out of the crowd, but not the case at all. I would have liked to have played around with the Line Array's a little more and have pushed them to the edge to see if they could hold up at reference levels. I do have to say from what I heard they are a very fine speaker, they were indeed one of my favorites of the day.

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So tiny....

Look at all the room I still have...



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So tiny....

Look at all the room I still have...



Time to setup and clean.
Your room looks huge...

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I think the jury is out and yes, at least 7 and probably 9-11 (or more) speakers will be necessary. I agree with your priorities but electronics and video are so volatile that more/better speakers is always easier for me justify (I'm saying this to the man with 212 LCR's and 3 Orbit Shifters ).

I have my Slanted 8 SB's firing up now and just level matched them. I watched a few movie clips and it's hard to tell a difference. I'll leave it this way for a while and try some challenging surround effects movies.

Talk to me RMK! Any more feedback on the surrounds firing up?

I have my rears in the ceiling but I had loaned my sides to Coach. I just went to put the sides up in the ceiling and found there are a lot of power wires going right where I was planning to mount the sides. So it looks like I will have to keep them on the side wall and the question is whether up or down firing.

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Look at all the room I still have...



Time to setup and clean.
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I like the brand also and the only other speaker right now I would like for HT would be the Danley SH50's. However there is another speaker I have heard that I really liked which was the Selah Audio Line Array. For anybody that wants an audiophile speaker but also wants pro audio sound the Selah may be for you. I really liked this speaker. It was one of the speakers at the last Heavy weight GTG. The speaker was on par with all the rest. Considering we had listened to these blind, I thought for sure I could easily pick them out of the crowd, but not the case at all. I would have liked to have played around with the Line Array's a little more and have pushed them to the edge to see if they could hold up at reference levels. I do have to say from what I heard they are a very fine speaker, they were indeed one of my favorites of the day.

I echo your thoughts. Indeed a surprisingly capable speaker. They were my favorite of that day too. But they were first of the day and the JTR last and I was pretty darn tired from shenanigans with popalock, beastaudio, and carp the night before by the time the JTR played. With the trip out and goofing around with the guys I'd only had about 5 hours sleep in the previous 48 hours ago I was exhausted by the end of the day and fading into tired disinterest. Nevertheless, the speakers impressed me! I actually chuckled inwardly when I first saw them and thought what are these speakers doing at a meet like this? They really held there own!

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I echo your thoughts. Indeed a surprisingly capable speaker. They were my favorite of that day too. But they were first of the day and the JTR last and I was pretty darn tired from shenanigans with popalock, beastaudio, and carp the night before by the time the JTR played. With the trip out and goofing around with the guys I'd only had about 5 hours sleep in the previous 48 hours ago I was exhausted by the end of the day and fading into tired disinterest. Nevertheless, the speakers impressed me! I actually chuckled inwardly when I first saw them and thought what are these speakers doing at a meet like this? They really held there own!
I had a feeling that you might chime in here as I know you were one of the others that liked this speaker as much as me. I also was a little surprised to see this speaker at the meet, but I agree the speaker did hold it's own.
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Talk to me RMK! Any more feedback on the surrounds firing up?

I have my rears in the ceiling but I had loaned my sides to Coach. I just went to put the sides up in the ceiling and found there are a lot of power wires going right where I was planning to mount the sides. So it looks like I will have to keep them on the side wall and the question is whether up or down firing.

Thanks.

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I can't tell the difference. My side surrounds are the Triple 8LP and they are the major contributor for surround sound. The sides are very noticeable (in a good way) with MC music but since the 215 arrived, most of my music listening has been 2 channel. The major impact of the change in the surround backs should be the back row and I have not sat there. Will try and check it out today.

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I posted a thread about high pass filters and included a bunch of stuff about a recent demo with my 215's complete with horrible quality videos.

Blending ported and sealed - analog vs. digital HPF... and other ramblings....
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Hey guys I'm looking for a wall mount for my single 8. It will be mounted above my tv and angled down. I have no idea what mount to buy. Any suggestions?
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It has been a rough few weeks waiting for speakers. I have four triple 8ht's coming from jeff soon (for surround duty) and two seaton subversive f2 (slaves) coming in a week or two as well. Don't know when I will have time to install but looking forward to hearing 3 triple 12's and four triple 8's with four seaton subversives

Anyone in the Sarasota area that is knowledgable in REW and could help me setup? Thanks

Pete, I don't know anything about REW but am strongly considering 212's in a few months and would love to here your system. If you ever have a GTG let me know I'm there. I live in Tampa so I'm close.

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Had a chance to do some more listening after doing some more on the eq end of things.

Looks like the 215RM has quite a bit of potential. I am waiting to get the file, so I can post the graph but the ability might be there to run this guy down lower than what was advertised.

The speakers are really starting to open up for me, especially during movies which is what I am most interested in.
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Had a chance to do some more listening after doing some more on the eq end of things.

Looks like the 215RM has quite a bit of potential. I am waiting to get the file, so I can post the graph but the ability might be there to run this guy down lower than what was advertised.

The speakers are really starting to open up for me, especially during movies which is what I am most interested in.
In your room too? I thought it might just be some room gain I was getting under 18 hz. I still think it is, maybe your room has the same gain going on....

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Hey guys I'm looking for a wall mount for my single 8. It will be mounted above my tv and angled down. I have no idea what mount to buy. Any suggestions?
I bought these, but they look like they are going to stick out to far. I cannot find anything else. RMK said he used the same ones, if they are the same?


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I bought these, but they look like they are going to stick out to far. I cannot find anything else. RMK said he used the same ones, if they are the same?


Thanks for the suggestion. I've seen those and have considered them. Would I just drill these into the cabinet? Or is there another mounting way, like to one of the keyholes???
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Thanks for the suggestion. I've seen those and have considered them. Would I just drill these into the cabinet? Or is there another mounting way, like to one of the keyholes???
Mount a piece of mdf or plywood the exact size of the s8 to the mount, use use the 4 keyholes on the speaker with screws mounted on the MCF/ply. Done! No need to drill holes in speakers. Thats how I did mine to the wall.
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Mount a piece of mdf or plywood the exact size of the s8 to the mount, use use the 4 keyholes on the speaker with screws mounted on the MCF/ply. Done! No need to drill holes in speakers. Thats how I did mine to the wall.
Why didn't I think of that ...

Yes, those are the mounts I used for my Height speakers and to have the mounts more stealth, I mounted them to the top of the Slanted 8's (e.g. screws into the speaker cabinet).

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Talk to me RMK! Any more feedback on the surrounds firing up?

I have my rears in the ceiling but I had loaned my sides to Coach. I just went to put the sides up in the ceiling and found there are a lot of power wires going right where I was planning to mount the sides. So it looks like I will have to keep them on the side wall and the question is whether up or down firing.

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I played some movie clips and sat in the back row. With the up-firing Slanted 8's the back surrounds were less position obvious than when they fired down at the head level for the front row seats (over the heads of the back row). The sound was very enveloping and I liked the sound from the back row a lot except ... for the bass. Way to hot and distractingly so. Lot's of visitors to my HT seem to like that amount of bass but it's not my taste. Moving back to the front row set things back in order.

BTW I played The Art of Flight (several chapters) and the bass was perfect. The Orbit Shifters were great subs but I don't miss em ...

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I played some movie clips and sat in the back row. With the up-firing Slanted 8's the back surrounds were less position obvious than when they fired down at the head level for the front row seats (over the heads of the back row). The sound was very enveloping and I liked the sound from the back row a lot except ... for the bass. Way to hot and distractingly so. Lot's of visitors to my HT seem to like that amount of bass but it's not my taste. Moving back to the front row set things back in order.

BTW I played The Art of Flight (several chapters) and the bass was perfect. The Orbit Shifters were great subs but I don't miss em ...
Thanks RMK! Since my couch is right next to the wall and your bass comment, I'll just keep them facing down. Thanks for the feedback though.
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