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Of course it depends on the content that is playing, but I can't go +15 with any content without clipping the inuke 6000 so that is impressive - and also pretty cool because it means if I could get a lot more headroom if I save up for an LG (ha, lots of saving up though).

Do you have the movie Avatar? If so do you remember the scene where he says, "these dumb bastards just aren't getting it, alright let's fire up the incendiaries." A lot of loud explosions follow. If you have that movie would you mind running that scene and checking clip lights on the LG to see where clipping happens? I'd love to know exactly how many more db's the LG can put out than the 6000!
Ran it and the answer is not that many if any db more. It was fine at +10 but I began to see red lights at +11 and over.

Looks like you can save for something else ...

I think it may be current limited and a 30 amp circuit (I have 20 amp) would be better but with all hell breaking loose at those levels the clipping isn't audible.

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Please do the test Rob, it would be quite enlightening! I don't think anyone has really ever head to headed the 6000 vs an lg clone! this would be pretty close tho!
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Ran it and the answer is not that many if any db more. It was fine at +10 but I began to see red lights at +11 and over.

Looks like you can save for something else ...

No no, that's a HUGE difference! On that scene the inuke 6000 only made it to + 3.5 before clip lights started coming on with the mains ran as large and no subs.

6.5 db's louder = wow!
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No no, that's a HUGE difference! On that scene the inuke 6000 only made it to + 3.5 before clip lights started coming on with the mains ran as large and no subs.

6.5 db's louder = wow!
Carp - Don't you (like me) calibrate a little 'hot' with respect to the normal 75db at ref? I thought I remembered us chatting about that in January. It would also depend on where in the room you're setting your reference point.

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It has been a rough few weeks waiting for speakers. I have four triple 8ht's coming from jeff soon (for surround duty) and two seaton subversive f2 (slaves) coming in a week or two as well. Don't know when I will have time to install but looking forward to hearing 3 triple 12's and four triple 8's with four seaton subversives

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Heh, understood. The best thing would certainly be to measure same day, place, location, equipment. I'm HOPING that Dave (reefdvr) gets his 215's before August comes around.
@carp - Did you have your trims in the inuke the same for both? Just curious.
We can do it anytime. We could certainly pick anyday. I was hoping my theater was done and I would have had a mini GTG when they came. I am now set back a couple of weeks for finish work. Like I said if they are not here in time, we can do it any weekend.
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So tiny....

Look at all the room I still have...



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Look at the pic in the Milwaukee thread. What you saw a few posts back was just a plop and shoot.

In the Milwaukee thread it's the final setup.

or I'll just post here too!



I will finally sit and listen Saturday guys... sorry for the long delay!

They are toed in toward the center seat at the MLP.
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Carp - Don't you (like me) calibrate a little 'hot' with respect to the normal 75db at ref? I thought I remembered us chatting about that in January.

Damnit Beast, **** now I want to leave work and play Mario Bros.

I think I have it figured out now.

Here is what I mean. Before I tried an AVR with Audyssey in my room I had 4 different ways to try to figure out where reference is.

1. Receiver test tones played at 75 db's
2. MCACC auto calibration
3. AVIA calibration disk (test tones should read 85 db's at listening position with MV at 0)
4. WOW calibration disk (test tones should read 83 db's at listening postion with MV at 0)

The only thing that matched up was the test tones at 75 db's with the AVIA disk.

MCACC calibration set reference as a few db's louder than AVIA and the WOW disk set reference as a few db's quieter than AVIA.

Well, when I bought the Onkyo 811 and ran Audyssey it matched up perfectly with AVIA and the receiver test tones from my Pioneer Elite so I figure that I've finally found exactly where reference is and the WOW disk and MCACC calibration are wrong.


So, I use my receiver test tones/AVIA disk to set reference which should be the same as Rob's since he uses Audyssey.
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Look at the pic in the Milwaukee thread. What you saw a few posts back was just a plop and shoot.

In the Milwaukee thread it's the final setup.

or I'll just post here too!



I will finally sit and listen Saturday guys... sorry for the long delay!

They are toed in toward the center seat at the MLP.


Nice!!!
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I think I have it figured out now.

Here is what I mean. Before I tried an AVR with Audyssey in my room I had 4 different ways to try to figure out where reference is.

1. Receiver test tones played at 75 db's
2. MCACC auto calibration
3. AVIA calibration disk (test tones should read 85 db's at listening position with MV at 0)
4. WOW calibration disk (test tones should read 83 db's at listening postion with MV at 0)

The only thing that matched up was the test tones at 75 db's with the AVIA disk.

MCACC calibration set reference as a few db's louder than AVIA and the WOW disk set reference as a few db's quieter than AVIA.

Well, when I bought the Onkyo 811 and ran Audyssey it matched up perfectly with AVIA and the receiver test tones from my Pioneer Elite so I figure that I've finally found exactly where reference is and the WOW disk and MCACC calibration are wrong.


So, I use my receiver test tones/AVIA disk to set reference which should be the same as Rob's since he uses Audyssey.
Yup, 75db via the Intergra 80.3 test tones. and confirmed with my digital SPL meter.

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No no, that's a HUGE difference! On that scene the inuke 6000 only made it to + 3.5 before clip lights started coming on with the mains ran as large and no subs.

6.5 db's louder = wow!
Humm, maybe the LG was worth the price after all.

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We can do it anytime. We could certainly pick anyday. I was hoping my theater was done and I would have had a mini GTG when they came. I am now set back a couple of weeks for finish work. Like I said if they are not here in time, we can do it any weekend.
Was talking with Jeff today and he said two more sets of 215RT's were sent out yesterday. Hopefully yours ...

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Was talking with Jeff today and he said two more sets of 215RT's were sent out yesterday. Hopefully yours …
I did not get a notice, but would be a great surprise.
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Just got my track #'s yesturday for 3 215's and 4 S8's. Can't wait..
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Just got my track #'s yesturday for 3 215's and 4 S8's. Can't wait..
Congrats! Just make sure you have somebody to help you move them into your house.

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No tracking#'s for me, so I am assuming neither are mine.
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The speaker sensitivity level comparison that carp has done seems pretty legit. 212 vs 215. Omnimic, receiver test tones, and spl meter. Two different speakers tested in the same room, same equipment, same process -same everything.

However the "just for fun" amplifier comparison LG to iNuke 6000 is impossible to compare in two different rooms with different source equipment etc.

I'm sure you guys know why - but just to make clear for those who might not -- -- - If you setup the 215HT's in two distinctly different places with auto calibration or test tones or what not - - - ---- IE - the Fox Theater in St. Louis, and the tiny HT of the month - the Hobbit theater or whatever - - - Reference level in the Fox Theater would still have 75dB test tones on an Onkyo receiver in a theater space that fits thousands. And it would have the same 75dB test tones after setup in the Hobbit theater. Both theaters would experience 'reference' level audio. And while reference in both theaters would measure the same SPL (assuming the 215HT could handle the Fox Theater) after calibration - they would NOT require the same amount of power to play reference.

On the smaller room to room scale - the analogy still applies --- you can't compare "X" above reference in two different places with different difficulties inherit to driving the sapce, different source equipment, different distances, different.......everything.

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Yup, I kinda said that, but you did much better explaining than I did. I really didn't think about it until after the fact. Regardless, an LG clone vs 6000 test would be fun Maybe that 10kq that Kyle is selling in the classifieds could be scooped up by say, you, or carp and tried out It is 220v too

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The RM will feel like a feather after you move the RT's.
Thanks COACH.. That's the part been on my mind since. Lol.. With the 4 S2's, I hauled them one by one by myself up the stairs with a appliance hand truck. Don't think I can do that with the 215's.. lol
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The speaker sensitivity level comparison that carp has done seems pretty legit. 212 vs 215. Omnimic, receiver test tones, and spl meter. Two different speakers tested in the same room, same equipment, same process -same everything.

However the "just for fun" amplifier comparison LG to iNuke 6000 is impossible to compare in two different rooms with different source equipment etc.

I'm sure you guys know why - but just to make clear for those who might not -- -- - If you setup the 215HT's in two distinctly different places with auto calibration or test tones or what not - - - ---- IE - the Fox Theater in St. Louis, and the tiny HT of the month - the Hobbit theater or whatever - - - Reference level in the Fox Theater would still have 75dB test tones on an Onkyo receiver in a theater space that fits thousands. And it would have the same 75dB test tones after setup in the Hobbit theater. Both theaters would experience 'reference' level audio. And while reference in both theaters would measure the same SPL (assuming the 215HT could handle the Fox Theater) after calibration - they would NOT require the same amount of power to play reference.

On the smaller room to room scale - the analogy still applies --- you can't compare "X" above reference in two different places with different difficulties inherit to driving the sapce, different source equipment, different distances, different.......everything.

Yeah I know^, but I bet our setups are somewhat similar. I am 10 feet from my mains I bet Rob is in the ball park and our rooms are close to the same cu ft. Audyssey is of course another variable but that could be turned off. Treatments is another variable, again I don't think there is a massive difference with that either.

What I'm saying is I doubt there are enough differences to have a 6.5 db difference. 3 db's perhaps but over 6 is massive.

It sure would be interesting to test the amps in the same room that's for sure.
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Yup, I kinda said that, but you did much better explaining than I did. I really didn't think about it until after the fact. Regardless, an LG clone vs 6000 test would be fun Maybe that 10kq that Kyle is selling in the classifieds could be scooped up by say, you, or carp and tried out It is 220v too
We could have p-lock bring his (my old) FP10Q on the 2nd? I have a fresh Inuke6K ready to play.
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I can bring my FP14k down to play with if you want
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Yeah I know^, but I bet our setups are somewhat similar. I am 10 feet from my mains I bet Rob is in the ball park and our rooms are close to the same cu ft. Audyssey is of course another variable but that could be turned off. Treatments is another variable, again I don't think there is a massive difference with that either.

What I'm saying is I doubt there are enough differences to have a 6.5 db difference. 3 db's perhaps but over 6 is massive.

It sure would be interesting to test the amps in the same room that's for sure.
Yeah, 3600^3 and I sit 11' and running Audyssey off. The db delta is a perplexment.

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My 3000DSP just arrived yesterday, could bring it along. Also got a couple of concert blu rays including the Eagles. I am not the biggest Eagles fan, but I really liked that disc.
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Little late to the discussion but for what it's worth my s8's measure 9db less sensitive as the 212's. so that also seems to be a wider spread than the specs 101-95=6.

Rob if your LG can drive the 215 that hard I can't wait to see what it does on a 30amp line with the 212's!
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