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lbrown105, no need to bring the LG, just yourself.

I feel my Parasound Halo A31 will do just fine.

I know its a "wimpy" 400 Watts per channel, but it is a good A/AB amp and should have great sound quality. And on top of that I don't play over reference.
Oh but you have to ... at least once. Get the wife and kids out of the house, put on a bluray (ART OF FLIGHT or INTO THE NEVER) and cut loose for a bit.

Then report back and tell me that wasn't fun.
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Nothing really compares to my system with live sound....I have seen maybe 2-3 concerts where I felt like the mixing was done flawlessly unfortunately. Last night, BLS had an incredible sound team and they did quite well. I actually met the Stage Monitor the night before and he was an awesome guy. He ended up giving me a guitar pic when I went to say hey to him during the show! COOL!!!! Bottom line, 311, Van Hagar, and Mastodon are at the tops right now for 3 of the best mixed shows I have ever seen live. In a small venue with a lot of reflective surfaces it is hard to get it right, but I would say last night was at least in the top 10 for shows I have seen there. The funny thing is, one of the openers had the absolute WORST sound I have ever heard in the same space. Just absolute garbage.

Needless to say, Zakk killed it and I knocked another "major" off my list of bands I need to see live. Dream Theater is one of the last ones I would literally drive 4 hours in any direction to check out before they lose their touch John Petrucci can't pic like that for the rest of his life ya know

DT was amazing, a bit too loud but nice and distinct. I think I did permanent ear damage to my right ear at that show (6 degrees tour). The best collection of musicians I have seen in one room at the same time.

I've been to a ton of concerts and believe it or not Iced Earth (2004 I believe) was by far the best sounding concert I've ever been too. Mixed perfectly... hell, it sounded just like their Live In Athens CD cranked up and crystal clear and Ripper Owens was effortless and pitch perfect, not even trying and looked casual hitting the high notes. Guitar was CRUNCHY and cut right through you. My favorite thing about music is crunchy rhythm guitars and that was the best sounding live guitars I have ever heard. Trivium played before Iced Earth and sounded like poop.

2nd best was Van Halen, great clean sound. Also I was floored with how great Eddie was on guitar. As great as he is on the first 4 albums he blew that away live.

Metallica in St Louis right up front was crazy good too, they always sound solid but that time was incredible. James' speed on rhythm is nuts and sounds so good when the sound guys get it right.
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Pink Floyd at Reunion Arena in Dallas was my best sound concert...followed closely by Deep Purple (vice Gillian's trashed vocal chords), Jethro Tull, Van Halen, Iron Maiden and Megadeth.
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yep, Eddie is pretty special to be able to play that technically for so long, but he was a prodigy to begin with, so I am not all too surprised. He is still cut as all get out too. Iced Earth came through here about 5 years ago and I missed it, just like DT came through and played at the main civic center and I missed it as well as I don't usually check their concert schedule.... Beck just made it through two weeks ago and apparently had a good show. Owen Wilson, and some other folks that are filming a movie in town were there apparently.... I need to step my game up a bit
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You guys should really check out those Lab Gruppen FP Amps. You really don't have an HT worth a damn unless you experience the bliss of unlimited clean power.

Hope that helps ...
RMK! I've always wanted to come out and see your phenomenal theater but now I would like to also pay you a personal visit...hopefully the anger will subside by then.

But like Beast and N8Dogg mentioned, I've got my eyes set on a DSonic amp in the future.
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Nothing really compares to my system with live sound....
Think highly of your system do you Mr. Beast? Well, the Metallica bluray you played at the GTG is still the best home theater experience I've had so I guess you can brag some. (NOTE: I don't think you were actually bragging but I had to give you a hard time.)
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Oh but you have to ... at least once. Get the wife and kids out of the house, put on a bluray (ART OF FLIGHT or INTO THE NEVER) and cut loose for a bit.

Then report back and tell me that wasn't fun.
Just last week I gave a demo to my BIL and his friend of the Metallica bluray with the song One and it was phenomenal. I think I'm putting out 200w or so from my Sherbourn 7150 to the 212HT-LPs and I'd say we were about reference (nonstandard preamp volume). With the 212s and 12,000w going to 3 LMS-5400s...it was pretty damn amazing. Not as good as Beast's theater as I mentioned above...so I know where the bar is set for me...and I'll be there soon.
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Pink Floyd at Reunion Arena in Dallas was my best sound concert…followed closely by Deep Purple (vice Gillian's trashed vocal chords), Jethro Tull, Van Halen, Iron Maiden and Megadeth.
I will agree with Pink Floyd. Some of the best concerts I have been to have been at JFK in Philly. However Pink Floyd was the best, they always had great sound. I was at the show below somewhere in this crowd in 87, I still remember this set. Best concert I have ever been to.


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My best sounding concert was A Perfect Circle in 2007. IMO, it sounded better than their CD. I've been to many concerts and find 90% of them sound like mangled ear piercing garbage... lol Though I did get ticket to Godsmack and Seether today! I've seen Seether live 6 times and they are a great live band, never seen godsmack though.

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^^ Godsmack at Alpine Valley in 2003 or '04 can't remember sounded awesome. Best I have heard was actually at Summerfest two years ago Buckcherry. Not my favorite band or anything but the mix and bass response and detail was phenomenal. Every drum and guitar string was so distinct and separated. It is an outdoor event but I do remember when I moved towards the beer station the reverb of the bass coming off the building not as good as being out in the middle wide open area, and I thought to myself yeah that is what we fight against everyday inside our rooms. Luckily the beer was good and cold so worth it!

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I think it's much easier for the sound guys to get the sound right for a band like Pink Floyd. Long drawn out notes are so much easier to sound easy on the ears.

Don't get me wrong, I love listening to my Dark Side SACD and I respect the hell out of Floyd and think they are amazing musicians. It's just that if you had those same guys trying to play something faster and heavier it would be hard to make it sound as good live.

I kind of have the same opinion about speakers. If you play an audiophile type of song, like Keith Don't Go for example, that song is going to sound great on all kinds of speakers.

Throw on something a little more challenging like Jambi, Learning to Live, Blackwater Park, Call of Ktulu, Love?, Black No. 1, Light up the Sky, The Wizard, What's Next to the Moon, etc. and you find out real quick the speakers that will cry uncle.

Getting back to concerts, I do agree with Nathan - most concerts I have been to have been a let down. Half way through the first song that realization of, "oh, so this is what these guys sound like live..... hmmm better get some more beer...."
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I will agree with Pink Floyd. Some of the best concerts I have been to have been at JFK in Philly. However Pink Floyd was the best, they always had great sound. I was at the show below somewhere in this crowd in 87, I still remember this set. Best concert I have ever been to.


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I didn't manage to get tickets for it when they were in Ames, IOWA (at our university's stadium), and so i decided to crash it. I just walked right into the main gate,... no one stopped me.. hahaha...

It was the best concert event ever, for me... their music is unlike anything else on Earth... it's totally ethereal and out of this world...
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I think it's much easier for the sound guys to get the sound right for a band like Pink Floyd. Long drawn out notes are so much easier to sound easy on the ears.

Don't get me wrong, I love listening to my Dark Side SACD and I respect the hell out of Floyd and think they are amazing musicians. It's just that if you had those same guys trying to play something faster and heavier it would be hard to make it sound as good live.

I kind of have the same opinion about speakers. If you play an audiophile type of song, like Keith Don't Go for example, that song is going to sound great on all kinds of speakers.

Throw on something a little more challenging like Jambi, Learning to Live, Blackwater Park, Call of Ktulu, Love?, Black No. 1, Light up the Sky, The Wizard, What's Next to the Moon, etc. and you find out real quick the speakers that will cry uncle.

Getting back to concerts, I do agree with Nathan - most concerts I have been to have been a let down. Half way through the first song that realization of, "oh, so this is what these guys sound like live..... hmmm better get some more beer...."
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Well good news they all work...

Playing white noise for 6 hours to break in, then on to calibrating.

Then finally listening...
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I think it's much easier for the sound guys to get the sound right for a band like Pink Floyd. Long drawn out notes are so much easier to sound easy on the ears.

Don't get me wrong, I love listening to my Dark Side SACD and I respect the hell out of Floyd and think they are amazing musicians. It's just that if you had those same guys trying to play something faster and heavier it would be hard to make it sound as good live.

I kind of have the same opinion about speakers. If you play an audiophile type of song, like Keith Don't Go for example, that song is going to sound great on all kinds of speakers.

Throw on something a little more challenging like Jambi, Learning to Live, Blackwater Park, Call of Ktulu, Love?, Black No. 1, Light up the Sky, The Wizard, What's Next to the Moon, etc. and you find out real quick the speakers that will cry uncle.

Getting back to concerts, I do agree with Nathan - most concerts I have been to have been a let down. Half way through the first song that realization of, "oh, so this is what these guys sound like live..... hmmm better get some more beer...."

Carp, I totally agree with this. Less time between peaks and dips and just more going on seems to call for a higher level of separation and detail to maintain good sound quality. How quickly can the amp move and stop the speaker cones, slew rates, attack, etc must all come into play. Beyond my knowledge of exactly how those electronic-mechanical aspects work together.

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I think it's much easier for the sound guys to get the sound right for a band like Pink Floyd. Long drawn out notes are so much easier to sound easy on the ears.

Don't get me wrong, I love listening to my Dark Side SACD and I respect the hell out of Floyd and think they are amazing musicians. It's just that if you had those same guys trying to play something faster and heavier it would be hard to make it sound as good live.

I kind of have the same opinion about speakers. If you play an audiophile type of song, like Keith Don't Go for example, that song is going to sound great on all kinds of speakers.

Throw on something a little more challenging like Jambi, Learning to Live, Blackwater Park, Call of Ktulu, Love?, Black No. 1, Light up the Sky, The Wizard, What's Next to the Moon, etc. and you find out real quick the speakers that will cry uncle.

Getting back to concerts, I do agree with Nathan - most concerts I have been to have been a let down. Half way through the first song that realization of, "oh, so this is what these guys sound like live..... hmmm better get some more beer...."
Well like anything there was acoustics involved when I said JFK stadium. When I seen Pink Floyd again in 94 at the Vet, it was different. Did not have the same fulfilling sound, it was the first thing I noticed. Strange considering that the vet on paper should have been a better room for sound. When I talked about the Pink Floyd show in 87, I bragged about the sound and how good it sounded, no joke.

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I will agree with Pink Floyd. Some of the best concerts I have been to have been at JFK in Philly. However Pink Floyd was the best, they always had great sound. I was at the show below somewhere in this crowd in 87, I still remember this set. Best concert I have ever been to.
I saw the Dallas show in '87, but it was indoors. Saw them later outdoors (Arrowhead in KC) and it wasn't as good.

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Think highly of your system do you Mr. Beast? Well, the Metallica bluray you played at the GTG is still the best home theater experience I've had so I guess you can brag some. (NOTE: I don't think you were actually bragging but I had to give you a hard time.)
Haha, yea, not really bragging, but honestly the theater does sound better than any live venue I have been to but that is to be expected I recon. Mad props to guys that just have to stroll into a venue the day of the show, setup, and attempt to get things as good sounding as possible, then doing it all over again the next night somewhere else. Definitely a moving target for those boys.

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Getting back to concerts, I do agree with Nathan - most concerts I have been to have been a let down. Half way through the first song that realization of, "oh, so this is what these guys sound like live..... hmmm better get some more beer...."
My, my, my, we now not only wait for major blockbuster films to come to disc before watching it, but we might as well just save our live music money for more concert discs too...Haha.

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My, my, my, we now not only wait for major blockbuster films to come to disc before watching it, but we might as well just save our live music money for more concert discs too...Haha.
I am glad I am not alone. The only movies I have seen this summer were Spiderman 2, Draft day and HTTYD2. I don't want to see the others because I don't want to spoil it for my home. For good reason that my local theater here is awful. I have no idea if the Spiderman 2 sound track was good or not because of the poor quality sound. I could barley hear the dialog out of the center channel. I could hear mega bass from the other two theaters though. Godzilla on the right and I think X men on the left. Those two are promising. I also know growing up I hated live music on cassette and in general. I preferred studio cuts. My tastes have changed now that I have better equipment and I just love concert blu rays. I know you turned me on it in March, you feel like you are in the audience. I am so ever stoked to get my 215's and start getting back into music again.
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My, my, my, we now not only wait for major blockbuster films to come to disc before watching it, but we might as well just save our live music money for more concert discs too...Haha.
Look at all the money you're saving!
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I am glad I am not alone. The only movies I have seen this summer were Spiderman 2, Draft day and HTTYD2. I don't want to see the others because I don't want to spoil it for my home. For good reason that my local theater here is awful. I have no idea if the Spiderman 2 sound track was good or not because of the poor quality sound. I could barley hear the dialog out of the center channel. I could hear mega bass from the other two theaters though. Godzilla on the right and I think X men on the left. Those two are promising. I also know growing up I hated live music on cassette. I preferred studio mixes. My tastes have changed now that I have better equipment and I just love concert blu rays. I know you turned me on it in March. I am so ever stoked to get my 215's and start getting back into music again.
Oh man... you just missed Godzilla on the Imax!!!!
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Oh man... you just missed Godzilla on the Imax!!!!
My local Imax is quite a ways from me and not to mention it is at the Tropicana in AC. It is a $300 dollar night easy, nothing cheap at the Casino. Right outside the theater are about 5 top shelf restaurants, that is always a buck and half if not more. We usually save that for special movies. My daughter is a Harry Potter fan so we went to all the Potter movies there. Stuff like that.

I know it is not remotely close, but I was board one weekend while visiting family in Central PA and I took a ride by myself to Gettysburg. They have a new modern museum there in the middle of the battlefields. They have a really nice theater there with a short movie. I think it was about 30 minutes that gives a little history of the Civil War, It was a slide show movie all narrated by Morgan Freeman. I gotta say the theater was top shelf. It was a mini Imax but had a home theater feel to it. The sound was top notch and the big curved screen was amazing. Crisp clean dialog and good bass with battlefield scenes. I was really impressed with the theater and the museum. The museum has little theaters though out the entire place, it is really cool. Anybody looking for a great weekend or little getaway should visit Gettysburg, so much to see and do. We are going back really soon. I am sure anybody that has been can relate.

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My local Imax is quite a ways from me and not to mention it is at the Tropicana in AC. It is a $300 dollar night easy, nothing cheap at the Casino. Right outside the theater are about 5 top shelf restaurants, that is always a buck and half if not more. We usually save that for special movies. My daughter is a Harry Potter fan so we went to all the Potter movies there. Stuff like that.
Oooh, too bad man.. that's a long way to go indeed.

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