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Old 07-29-2014, 11:09 PM
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MiniDSP just made this post in the NanoAVR 8x8 HDMI Audio Processor "Official" Thread thread. They improved the LFE management of the NanoAVR. Note that I don't think this necessarily gives new functionality but does make the LFE easier to configure and modify. Nice to know they continue to improve their products.

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Dear all,

As promised a little update to warn you that the DSP structure was improved to cater a better Bass management configuration. A bit delayed due to the fact that we had to add quite few elements to the DSP structure + GUI + FW.. Thanks for your patience. You can see a complete step by step in the following app note: http://www.minidsp.com/applications/...ass-management

User manual was also updated to make sure there isn't any confusion and the updated plug-in is available in the user downloads.
That configuration will ultimately provide all the flexibility you expect from such unit. We do look forward to hearing feedback if any questions/comments!

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Ok, I will get my links out I stashed and read up again before I do it. Been itching to do some dsp tinkering. Can't go too long without it...

Of course having you around will be nice too I am running dual Submersives. I have had so many calibrations I can't count. So much tinkering with low shelf filters and sub trims etc...When I first got real woofage I had the bass so high the classic big hitters like War of the Worlds or the Looper scene with the kid towards the end were just ridiculous at the MV movie levels. I would always have to turn it down lol. Since I have matured a bit in my process I brush up to the line of too much with those scenes but not too much. They are powerful and the final fight scene in the hulk is just ridiculous!!! But not overdone. Prob around 13-14db hot but I also don't go to reference either. Bass is almost reference levels though
I'll be glad to help how I can. It would be nice if you had a sub that we had the T/S parameters for as that would allow us to put in some numbers and spit out the LT Bi-Quad to put in the DSP. Since we don't have the TS parameters you'll have to take a measurement of your room response and then we'll have to guess about where to start the LT. I'll be glad to help understanding that I've done a total of 2 LT transforms to this point.
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Well, I bought the miniDSP nanoAVR

Playing with the software is easy peasy...

Now major question?

For my three JTR 215RT's

High pass filter at 18htz

Or

Crossover at 18htz and send to my Seaton SubMersives...

I would naturally think the crossover.

But someone tell me otherwise if I need to know something more.
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Also what is the general preferred house curve here?

10db hot at 20htz
15db hot at 20htz
20db hot at 20htz




And do guys roll off the highs?

If so what range to start to roll off?

And how low at 20Khtz?



I was thinking 10db hot from 20htz - 40htz with a gradual roll off to flat at 150htz.
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I just finished a two week demo with the XLS2500 based on much positive feedback but, for me, in my system it sounded a little sterile compared to my Emotiva XPR-1/XPR-5 combo. It was funny, when I returned it back to the Guitar center and told the guy the reason he laughed and told me that's the EXACT word he used in describing the sound of that amp to others. He said he much prefers the sound quality of the QSCPLX2 series amps for whatever that's worth.
The new QSX PLD series of amps seem perfect for running 3 215's. They can be configured to run 1-4 channels per amp. In two channel mode the top model puts out serious power (cannot find info on the 3 channel output on their website). They also have built-in DSP.

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Well, finally sat down and took a listen....

Very good dynamics, good sound stage, I am running at flat right now, but listening to the 212HT's at Lbrown105's I may need to figure out a way to do a plus 20 bd boost to the bass on the mains... lol.

Flat is sounding, well flat... when I run my Seatons 10db hot and cross the 215RT's over at 80htz I get a lot of punch... hehe.

good news - With no EQ corrections the mid-bass is really powerful with the 215RT's. With EQ, it tames a lot of it out. So, I may need to find a way to do an external processor to boost from 150htz down.


Audyssey really needs to find a way to offer user adjustable curves.

Even with the Pro kit I have, I can only adj +3 DB max from 150htz and down.


Also, I easily get usable bass to under 10htz in my room with just the 215RT's...
If you are going to keep the amps that you have, then I would consider the MiniDSP10x10HD for DSP duty for the three 215's. It would also leave you five outputs for subs, if needed.

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The new QSX PLD series of amps seem perfect for running 3 215's. They can be configured to run 1-4 channels per amp. In two channel mode the top model puts out serious power (cannot find info on the 3 channel output on their website). They also have built-in DSP.
I just looked those up and they do look nice. The top of the line 4 channel will run a little more than 3 Crown amps, so it might be worth a look..
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I just looked those up and they do look nice. The top of the line 4 channel will run a little more than 3 Crown amps, so it might be worth a look..
They also have PFC (power factor correction) than evens out current draw so you can get full power without tripping breakers (the Behringer models do not have PFC and may be why carp's breakers tripped). The new issue of AudioExpress explains the benefit of PFC in an article on the new Powersoft amps (the K20 is unfreakinbeliavable).

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LOL, that is what I paid, $350 NewEgg special. Not bad for the money though. I just use apples for my personal use, most of the software is all for windows, so I needed a windows based computer anyway. Come in handy for tuning the computers on my bikes.
Did the same thing, but it has ended up just being my "regular" laptop as well It was the one on the kitchen counter all weekend and is the jukebox for the rest of the house using the sonos players
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A couple weeks ago I put my first Linkwitz Transform on my 3 LMS-5400s and there was a scene in Olympus Has Fallen before the AC-130 crashes with one of the deepest notes I've heard. We felt it once and it didn't feel like the normal shaking of the couch but more of a rolling "earthquake" type movement. The first time I heard it I almost reached for the remote, the second time it hit, I grabbed the remote and turned down the sub volume quick. My LMS-5400s are in sealed 5 cu.ft. enclosures driven by 4,000w so I need to be a little careful with them. Needless to say, I'm going to reduce the LT a little.

I put a LT on Coach's 8xSI18s, a little more conservative than the first one I put on my subs. We watched one of our go to scenes, the start of Transformers 1 and we heard a signal (cleanly) that we hadn't heard before. We didn't hear anything out of place, actually I toned down the bass and cleaned it up some with my DSP work.

So I'd definitely recommend an LT if you have sealed subs...but be careful as you can definitely overdo it.
What did you start out with? The LT's can get out of hand pretty quick for sure. I remember my first one I tried I kept turning the knob on the dcx until I saw the 5hz response level out with the rest of the curve and pretty quickly I was at a 12dB boost. Not advisable. Taking it back down the around 6dB was better, and I had no issues with that at all. The DCX also does rolloff more down low so that was another problem....

Will be shooting you a text when I finally get down to the theater and start EQing with the opendrc. They really need to rename that. I mean, "open drc" explains what it does, but a little creativity could go a long way...
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They also have PFC (power factor correction) than evens out current draw so you can get full power without tripping breakers (the Behringer models do not have PFC and may be why carp's breakers tripped). The new issue of AudioExpress explains the benefit of PFC in an article on the new Powersoft amps (the K20 is unfreakinbeliavable).
YEA!!! I want that k20 so bad I can taste it. Would be awesome to just have a single amp that you would never have to worry about.... and so tiny too!
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YEA!!! I want that k20 so bad I can taste it. Would be awesome to just have a single amp that you would never have to worry about.... and so tiny too!
So what's it taste like? ... second thought, don't answer that ...

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Tastes like a lotta dough...
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Haha. I see what you did there.
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Well, I bought the miniDSP nanoAVR

Playing with the software is easy peasy...

Now major question?

For my three JTR 215RT's

High pass filter at 18htz

Or

Crossover at 18htz and send to my Seaton SubMersives...

I would naturally think the crossover.

But someone tell me otherwise if I need to know something more.
Very cool that you can crossover that low using the mini. In my room the only hpf I tried that blended the ported speakers and sealed subs was a 12 db slope Butterworth. Do you have sealed subs? If you end up having problems blending you could try something like a 30 hz crossover too.



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Also what is the general preferred house curve here?

10db hot at 20htz
15db hot at 20htz
20db hot at 20htz




And do guys roll off the highs?

If so what range to start to roll off?

And how low at 20Khtz?



I was thinking 10db hot from 20htz - 40htz with a gradual roll off to flat at 150htz.
For me it depends on the content and my mood. Most of the time around 20 hot at 20 hz and I like it to level off somewhere between 150 and 200 hz.

I do not roll off the highs. I know that supposedly people like the sound more with rolled off highs but not me. I feel like people that preferred that must have had the bass flat. IMO with hot bass if anything the brain craves more treble but that's just my theory.
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Because there are 4 presets, I will do one at

1. 5db high at 20htz
2. 10db high at 20htz
3. 15db high at 20htz
4. 20db high at 20htz



and switch depending on what type of music or movie...
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Tastes like a lotta dough...
Only about $8-10K! But it does put out a measly 5200W/channel into 4 ohms (18,000 W 4 ohms bridged).
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I had some Papa Murphy's pizza last night so I thought of this:

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Only about $8-10K! But it does put out a measly 5200W/channel into 4 ohms (18,000 W 4 ohms bridged).
I see some used for around half that, but man, it would still be fun to have

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Who here has the miniDSP nanoAVR?

Can you try something for me...

I think you can route the LFE channel to every channel!!!

So if you had 7 215RT's you could route the LFE to all 7 I think. Can some one try it please!
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Who here has the miniDSP nanoAVR?

Can you try something for me...

I think you can route the LFE channel to every channel!!!

So if you had 7 215RT's you could route the LFE to all 7 I think. Can some one try it please!
Dgage has both, but I am not sure he is able to do much of anything with his system until Friday.

He will probably jump on here and comment regarding if that is possible.
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Who here has the miniDSP nanoAVR?

Can you try something for me...

I think you can route the LFE channel to every channel!!!

So if you had 7 215RT's you could route the LFE to all 7 I think. Can some one try it please!
Apparently Coach doesn't realize his sub system is setup in just this manner.

Take a look at the following guide, which has recently been updated. They just added "LFE Mgmt", which does exactly what you want...takes LFE signal from every channel and sends it to the LFE channel.

http://www.minidsp.com/applications/...ass-management

Another guide you should probably peruse for your NanoAVR playing is about AutoEQing with REW.

http://www.minidsp.com/applications/auto-eq-with-rew
http://www.minidsp.com/applications/...n-with-nanoavr
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Apparently Coach doesn't realize his sub system is setup in just this manner.

Take a look at the following guide, which has recently been updated. They just added "LFE Mgmt", which does exactly what you want...takes LFE signal from every channel and sends it to the LFE channel.

http://www.minidsp.com/applications/...ass-management

Another guide you should probably peruse for your NanoAVR playing is about AutoEQing with REW.

http://www.minidsp.com/applications/auto-eq-with-rew
http://www.minidsp.com/applications/...n-with-nanoavr
Apparently he doesn't...
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Apparently Coach doesn't realize his sub system is setup in just this manner.

Take a look at the following guide, which has recently been updated. They just added "LFE Mgmt", which does exactly what you want...takes LFE signal from every channel and sends it to the LFE channel.

http://www.minidsp.com/applications/...ass-management

Another guide you should probably peruse for your NanoAVR playing is about AutoEQing with REW.

http://www.minidsp.com/applications/auto-eq-with-rew
http://www.minidsp.com/applications/...n-with-nanoavr

No... I want to know if it does what RMK is doing...

Aka routing the LFE channel to every other channel....


Not... routing low frequency of all speaker to the LFE channel.


Only if you have all full range speakers like JTR 215RT's
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No... I want to know if it does what RMK is doing...

Aka routing the LFE channel to every other channel....

Only if you have all full range speakers like JTR 215RT's
Well, RMK! is special so I'm sorry but you can't be like him.

Gotcha. Yes you can route the LFE to your mains. Take a look at the second picture in the following document. You can turn on LFE In for each of the speakers such as FL Out, FR Out, and CTR Out. So you'd turn on LFE In for each speaker column with the appropriate DB level. You will likely need to reduce the level as you can tell the LFE In signal is mixed in 10db hotter than the other signals.

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Only about $8-10K! But it does put out a measly 5200W/channel into 4 ohms (18,000 W 4 ohms bridged).
I wanted the Powersoft too but I eventually talked myself back down to the much more sane and affodable choice with the Lab.

I did see some bench tests with the K6 and it tested very well against the older LG FP6000 and the Crown Itech.
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RMK! I may soon be testing LFE to my three mains as well, and compare to LFE going to my Seatons.

Then I might try something crazy like LFE to mains and LFE to Seatons at the same time! Lol.

10 X 15" drivers enough? Lol...
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RMK! I may soon be testing LFE to my three mains as well, and compare to LFE going to my Seatons.

Then I might try something crazy like LFE to mains and LFE to Seatons at the same time! Lol.

10 X 15" drivers enough? Lol...
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RMK! I may soon be testing LFE to my three mains as well, and compare to LFE going to my Seatons.

Then I might try something crazy like LFE to mains and LFE to Seatons at the same time! Lol.

10 X 15" drivers enough? Lol...

I like where this is going!...lol
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