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Those measurements you posted show quite a dip in the mid-bass region so I'm not sure you can get exactly what you want if you keep the same speakers and seating positions. Of course that's my opinion and I hope to be wrong - especially since you said you can't really tweak those positions....
I am still holding out hope that I can make it work and get things sounding the way I want.

If not, I will most likely look at other speaker options.....but I really don't want to because I don't want have to deal with lugging those bad boys down the steps again. lol

At the end of the day if things are dialed in the best way they can and I am still not happy, then I have to look at my own expectations on what I am trying to achieve and figure out if is even possible.
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Pro kit doesn't really do much more than xt32 from an overall capability standpoint though unfortunately. You get more measurement positions, and you get the ability to set a LITTLE bit of a custom EQ, but there have been extensive tests that don't really show much difference in the final untouched EQ of either system.
Exactly why I think I may need a miniDSP to allow my front three channels to get a custom curve.


May have to do an Lbrown105 25db HOT from 20htz to 60htz, then start slowly dropping to flat around 150htz

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Definitely. I just got my open drc and have been playing with the software a little before I put it into the chain. Seems quite easy so far to set filters and such.

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I am still holding out hope that I can make it work and get things sounding the way I want.

If not, I will most likely look at other speaker options.....but I really don't want to because I don't want have to deal with lugging those bad boys down the steps again. lol

At the end of the day if things are dialed in the best way they can and I am still not happy, then I have to look at my own expectations on what I am trying to achieve and figure out if is even possible.
Any speaker in those same positions would measure like that I would think?

Can you pull them out from the wall some? My baffles are more than 4 feet out from the wall and measure the best like this - in my room of course.

I hear you, I don't ever want to carry these again!
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Any speaker in those same positions would measure like that I would think?

Can you pull them out from the wall some? My baffles are more than 4 feet out from the wall and measure the best like this - in my room of course.

I hear you, I don't ever want to carry these again!
That is something I could look at doing. Probably would effect my toe-in due to how close they are to the screen.
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East TN is KC East. Coach, Beast, and I have been helping each other spend way too much money. My wife complains about me spending so much time at Coach's house...but he has nicer speakers than I do...she just doesn't understand.
And I'll nominate Des Moines as KC North....God knows they've helped me spend lots of money. I still remember the phone call with Archaea when he told me to buy the dual S2's. Good advice
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Does anyone know if the minidsp nanoAVR can do custom curves for my front three channels?

And can it do it without using any other feature from the unit? I still want to use Audyssey as the room correction, just want the custom curves only.
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Definitely. I just got my open drc and have been playing with the software a little before I put it into the chain. Seems quite easy so far to set filters and such.
I really like my 4. I HATED those little 2x4's, they always introduced noise into my system. The opendrc though has been perfect.
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I really like my 4. I HATED those little 2x4's, they always introduced noise into my system. The opendrc though has been perfect.
I went with the open DRC because it has XLR in and out and because Nate said he loves them. I have zero complaints. Has been flawless and really lets me tune in the dual SubM's perfectly with a nice house curve.
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Opendrc-an, is that the model to get? You need 2 of them for 215 LCR true?..they don't add noise/hiss to the signal chain ?
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Does anyone know if the minidsp nanoAVR can do custom curves for my front three channels?

And can it do it without using any other feature from the unit? I still want to use Audyssey as the room correction, just want the custom curves only.
Any DSP with enough inputs/outputs that lives between Audyssey and the amp should be able to add EQ to the post Audyssey FR. My Rane does that and has mixing as well as EQ.

BTW, I haven't usd Audyssey (XT32 with SubEQ)) since the 215RT's arrived and I don't miss it a bit.

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Does anyone know if the minidsp nanoAVR can do custom curves for my front three channels?

And can it do it without using any other feature from the unit? I still want to use Audyssey as the room correction, just want the custom curves only.
Coach and I have the NanoAVR and with 10 parametric EQ per channel, that gives you 80 (7.1) PEQs to work with. You can even use REQ automatic EQ to define a target curve, EQing to meet that curve, export for NanoAVR, and import from REW to the NanoAVR.

Since it is completely digital and resides between your sources (HDMI in/out) (Bluray) and your receiver, you can do whatever you need to with the signal and then let Audyssey take over from there.

I haven't used OpenDRC so I can't speak to the differences.
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BTW, I haven't usd Audyssey (XT32 with SubEQ)) since the 215RT's arrived and I don't miss it a bit.
I purposely bought a preamp without Audyssey because I knew I wouldn't use it. Coach currently has his turned off using the NanoAVR but not sure if his calibrator, Chad, will keep it off.
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Coach and I have the NanoAVR and with 10 parametric EQ per channel, that gives you 80 (7.1) PEQs to work with. You can even use REQ automatic EQ to define a target curve, EQing to meet that curve, export for NanoAVR, and import from REW to the NanoAVR.

Since it is completely digital and resides between your sources (HDMI in/out) (Bluray) and your receiver, you can do whatever you need to with the signal and then let Audyssey take over from there.

I haven't used OpenDRC so I can't speak to the differences.
Really? it is in the chain between the source device (bluray player) and the AVR/SSP? That's in the middle of the HDMI chain ... no?

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So yes, buy it? Lol.

Will it allow a custom curve without using a mic?

Or do I have to use the mic?

Can I just tell it I want to run 20db hot from 20htz to 50htz, then slowly drop off to flat at 125htz?
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I purposely bought a preamp without Audyssey because I knew I wouldn't use it. Coach currently has his turned off using the NanoAVR but not sure if his calibrator, Chad, will keep it off.
We are going to use Audyssey as a "base" and see what it does. After that, use the Nano to fine tune things and then disable Audyssey if it proves to be worthless..

Bottom line for me is, I am not experienced in what is the right or wrong way to set these speakers up nor have the knowledge to do it myself, so I have to lean on some good guys to help me out.

These 215's have been very challenging to get set in my room, unlike any other speaker I have had before. I just hope they can be tweaked to do what I want them to do in my room....something I know I said in an earlier post today.
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Really? it is in the chain between the source device (bluray player) and the AVR/SSP? That's in the middle of the HDMI chain ... no?
Yes. Your Bluray will decode the signal and output PCM. The NanoAVR is able to stay completely digital by jumping in the middle and also keeps the cost down for how powerful it is. And it is definitely powerful.
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Yes. Your Bluray will decode the signal and output PCM. The NanoAVR is able to stay completely digital by jumping in the middle and also keeps the cost down for how powerful it is. And it is definitely powerful.
Interesting, thanks for the info ...

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So yes, buy it? Lol.

Will it allow a custom curve without using a mic?

Or do I have to use the mic?

Can I just tell it I want to run 20db hot from 20htz to 50htz, then slowly drop off to flat at 125htz?
Normally when doing DSP work you'd want a mic and measuring software (REW) to find out how the signal is being affected by changes.

Also, of you want to use REW AutoEQ, you'll need to specify a Target Curve and have a measurement from your speaker. AutoEQ will then put together some advanced EQ modifications that you'd export in the format for NanoAVR.

Notice we've hardly talked about the NanoAVR up until this point. Whatever changes you make in the DSP, the NanoAVR doesn't care if it made your signal sound better or worse. It has no mic to figure out if your settings were good or bad...which is why you'd want to use a mic with REW software so you can see how your changes in the NanoAVR are affecting the output from your speakers.

Regarding types of changes, you can specify a peak (most popular), high shelf (upper freq), or low shelf. You can specify whether the change should be broad or very narrow and anywhere in between. A positive change will increase the signal while a negative value will reduce that freq range.

Hope that helps. By the way, you might be able to download the software and play with it without even having the device. You can make changes on your computer and then upload the configuration or if you stay connected, you can make changes in real-time.
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