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@varneysa The design I have been working on should be available shortly. The crossover parts are figured out and once I do some preliminary measurements at my house, I should be able to figure something out. Putting them head to head with the volt10's and the s8's, they were surprising, just with the stock crossover, but could get a little harsh. I had a video of them rocking full range as a stereo pair and it was crazy how good they sounded. padding the upper end a shade more and they will be a real winner.
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@varneysa The design I have been working on should be available shortly. The crossover parts are figured out and once I do some preliminary measurements at my house, I should be able to figure something out. Putting them head to head with the volt10's and the s8's, they were surprising, just with the stock crossover, but could get a little harsh. I had a video of them rocking full range as a stereo pair and it was crazy how good they sounded. padding the upper end a shade more and they will be a real winner.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I'd never even heard of the Mackies. I'll definitely do some reading up on them. You say they're not the best for L-R music, what about surround duty for multi-channel music? How would they stack up against the JBLs or Klipschs for music?

BTW, I read your sub recommendations by price awhile back... awesome resource! Thanks for putting that list together.
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I spent most of the day yesterday afternoon listening to the 228HT (home sick), then after some discussion in the JTR thread about the Mackie C200 - I hooked up all the Mackies again last night and listened to some two channel and movie clips, then went back to the JTR 228HT for some direct comparison. I hate to admit it but I think I must have had the Mackies wired up out of phase in the L/R when I originally was demoing them for stitch1 and carp. There was no longer any of the weird DSP effect on L/R stereo listening. All channel stereo listening was always fun on the nine Mackies, but two channel was a bit weird. No more. They still aren't as good as the 228HT, but I wouldn't define them as weird or off somehow for two channel. I'm surprised I didn't recognize them being out of phase, but I didn't. carp and stitch1 will have to give them another listen. All of us liked them for all channel stereo, but not too much for traditional stereo. Now that makes sense. They use speakon connectors and unfortunately I must have wired one of the fronts in reverse initially. Last night I rewired. Honestly, I'd say the Mackies are 75% of the JTR 228HT for 20% of the price. (street to street price) Their fault is a sibalance on the treble. It's not quite a clean, more sssss, more blurred treble at loud volumes - but not as bad as a previous set of speaker I owned - the eD Cinema 12. (The Mackies are better than the eD Cinema 12 as I recall by playing some of the tracks I found distasteful on the eD - specifically some of the dubstep music on Art of Flight was obnoxious on the eD because of the heavy treble)). Obviously this comparison to the eD Cinema 12 is by memory since I don't have the eD anymore, but I'm pretty confident the Mackie C200 is a better speaker than the eD Cinema12.

I'd still say the Mackie are excellent for movies, and now I can say they are enjoyable for two channel too. (not the last word in refinement, but not disappointing either). The JTR 228HT compression driver costs alone costs more than the whole street shipped price of the Mackie C200 speaker - so you'd expect it be better. But the C200 is good. If looks aren't a problem I don't see how anyone could be disappointed with them for surround -- they fit my budget surround needs perfectly.

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Sounds like a young Craig Chase in the making. You even have a catchy company name. Have you incorporated yet?
I have an LLC setup at this point as a backup plan we started for a different business venture, but I will see the demand and work from there
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Can anyone tell me which of these speaker mounts is suitable for the Slanted 8s?
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=speaker+mount
I have to start thinking of getting everything together.


I like these Axiom brackets, very sturdy and adjustable but also expensive.






http://www.axiomaudio.com/full-metal-bracket.html
Carp, how much do your surrounds weigh? I am on the hunt again for speakers mounts. I really don't like the ones I bought. I am going to mount the backs to the wall and the sides to a bracket. I like the way these pivot and yet keep the speaker close to the wall.
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Can anyone tell me which of these speaker mounts is suitable for the Slanted 8s?
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=speaker+mount
I have to start thinking of getting everything together.


I like these Axiom brackets, very sturdy and adjustable but also expensive.






http://www.axiomaudio.com/full-metal-bracket.html
Carp, how much do your surrounds weigh? I am on the hunt again for speakers mounts. I really don't like the ones I bought. I am going to mount the backs to the wall and the sides to a bracket. I like the way these pivot and yet keep the speaker close to the wall. This was sometime ago huh? Look at that front stage.
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Hello all, moved my Orbit shifter from the front stage area near my LS9's to the left rear side wall where my SubMersive HP used to reside to see how it sounds so i could potentially re-locate my gear to the front stage area, the problem is it's now shaking my ceiling mounted front projector. I am wondering if any of you have had this problem and what your solution may have been. I am looking at trying an Auralex Subdude HT or Herbies audio lab giant fat gliders to see if one of them may make a difference otherwise I will have to move the OS back to the fronstage area, any experiences anyone has had would be great thank you!
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Carp, how much do your surrounds weigh? I am on the hunt again for speakers mounts. I really don't like the ones I bought. I am going to mount the backs to the wall and the sides to a bracket. I like the way these pivot and yet keep the speaker close to the wall. This was sometime ago huh? Look at that front stage.
Dave the Axiom brackets are good for up to 40lbs.
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Hello all, moved my Orbit shifter from the front stage area near my LS9's to the left rear side wall where my SubMersive HP used to reside to see how it sounds so i could potentially re-locate my gear to the front stage area, the problem is it's now shaking my ceiling mounted front projector. I am wondering if any of you have had this problem and what your solution may have been. I am looking at trying an Auralex Subdude HT or Herbies audio lab giant fat gliders to see if one of them may make a difference otherwise I will have to move the OS back to the fronstage area, any experiences anyone has had would be great thank you!
rj, I had the same problem when I added additional OS. The problem in my set up was solved once I went to a ceiling suspended on hat channel and whisper clips. I am not suggesting you go to that length to solve the problem but the whisper clips themselves are a quality piece of suspension hardware that could be used to attach the projector to the ceiling. There are probably a variety of solutions that could bring some dampening into the equation. Do you have enough ceiling height that if you lower the projector with some form of dampening it still ok?
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Hello all, moved my Orbit shifter from the front stage area near my LS9's to the left rear side wall where my SubMersive HP used to reside to see how it sounds so i could potentially re-locate my gear to the front stage area, the problem is it's now shaking my ceiling mounted front projector. I am wondering if any of you have had this problem and what your solution may have been. I am looking at trying an Auralex Subdude HT or Herbies audio lab giant fat gliders to see if one of them may make a difference otherwise I will have to move the OS back to the fronstage area, any experiences anyone has had would be great thank you!
I have my FP Chief Mounted with an 18" extension pipe (9'ceilings) and have 2" X12" blocking between the joists at the projector mounting point. Very secure but that didn't prevent the dual OS's from causing the projector image to shift a bit during very spirited listening sessions.

I got used to repositioning the image and that continues to this day post Orbit Shifters. Just the cost of that much bass energy in a relatively small sealed space. Now if I were OCD about locking the image then I might try and come up with something preventative, but for me the answer has been to not listen at over reference except occasionally when showing off.

BTW, went to the theater ( ) yesterday to hear an Atmos film. Saw Guardians of the Galaxy and it was a really fun movie. The Atmos demos were great but I didn't notice it much during the actual movie. Still, I'm planning on adding 4 in-ceiling speakers to get the Atmos effect at home.

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Now if I were OCD about locking the image then I might try and come up with something preventative, but for me the answer has been to not listen at over reference except occasionally when showing off.

Rob, this is a very disturbing answer coming from you. Just turn it down??? What is this thread coming to when one of its most influential contributors is now the "turn it down" guy. Of this course this is coming from someone who may just be jealous not having found the cure for EBD (excessive bass addiction) yet.
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Rob, this is a very disturbing answer coming from you. Just turn it down??? What is this thread coming to when one of its most influential contributors is now the "turn it down" guy. Of this course this is coming from someone who may just be jealous not having found the cure for EBD (excessive bass addiction) yet.
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rj, I had the same problem when I added additional OS. The problem in my set up was solved once I went to a ceiling suspended on hat channel and whisper clips. I am not suggesting you go to that length to solve the problem but the whisper clips themselves are a quality piece of suspension hardware that could be used to attach the projector to the ceiling. There are probably a variety of solutions that could bring some dampening into the equation. Do you have enough ceiling height that if you lower the projector with some form of dampening it still ok?
Unfortunately I don't think i can lower it too much more, I found this company that makes these isolators specifically for projectors but I may not have the room and they are a little pricey so I believe I will have to try a different method.
http://www.nigelbdesign.com/pdfs/Ant...in%20mount.pdf
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I have my FP Chief Mounted with an 18" extension pipe (9'ceilings) and have 2" X12" blocking between the joists at the projector mounting point. Very secure but that didn't prevent the dual OS's from causing the projector image to shift a bit during very spirited listening sessions.

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BTW, went to the theater ( ) yesterday to hear an Atmos film. Saw Guardians of the Galaxy and it was a really fun movie. The Atmos demos were great but I didn't notice it much during the actual movie. Still, I'm planning on adding 4 in-ceiling speakers to get the Atmos effect at home.
I had a couple of friends of mine who are A/V installers do the job originally, I think I may call him to ask how he blocked it out originally, my guess is he probably has run into this. I hear you RMK about listening above reference. My HT room isn't sealed and it doesn't shift the image but the image vibrates to the bass notes!
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Carp, how much do your surrounds weigh? I am on the hunt again for speakers mounts. I really don't like the ones I bought. I am going to mount the backs to the wall and the sides to a bracket. I like the way these pivot and yet keep the speaker close to the wall. This was sometime ago huh? Look at that front stage.


I'm not sure exactly how much they weight, I'm guessing around 30 pounds? I do know that when mounting them I felt like the brackets could have held a much heavier speaker they are heavy duty for sure. I think they are only rated for 40 pounds but I think they are being conservative.
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I'm not sure exactly how much they weight, I'm guessing around 30 pounds? I do know that when mounting them I felt like the brackets could have held a much heavier speaker they are heavy duty for sure. I think they are only rated for 40 pounds but I think they are being conservative.
I'm sure they will hold much more. I suggest you test them with your 215's ... Wall mounted 215RT's surrounds would be cool.
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I'm sure they will hold much more. I suggest you test them with your 215's ... Wall mounted 215RT's surrounds would be cool.
I don't think there would be enough height to be mounted on a bracket.. Mine as well stack the the 215RT on a couple of dictionary's just to get a little more height..lol
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I don't think there would be enough height to be mounted on a bracket.. Mine as well stack the the 215RT on a couple of dictionary's just to get a little more height..lol
Haha, your right, they are pretty much wall mounted.
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Haha, your right, they are pretty much wall mounted.
Hey Reef.. Did you get your 215's yet?
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No, I heard this week, we will see.
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Surround Sound Experiment

I do not go out to the movies other than an occasional visit to IMAX. All the Dolby Atmos chatter has made me very curious so as reported earlier, we (with our 15 year old son) went to a new Atmos theater in the area to see Guardians of the Galaxy (3D-Atmos). The Atmos demos were impressive especially the rain on the roof sequence and I was feeling positive about the possibilities for Atmos at home.

The movie (while very entertaining) was another story. I can't recall one moment where I noticed the Atmos "experience" and my wife/son were of the same opinion. Being a teen he loves going out to movies to hang with friends but we all agreed that movies sound much better at home. The wife is a person who doesn't pay attention to things like this but will indulge me in my hobby. She enjoyed GOTG and so last night we decided to drag out an old action bluray to test the theory. I chose Hell Boy as she hadn't seen it.

It wasn't long into the film before she turned to me and said "see how much better our HT sounds?". There are a lot of rain scenes in Hell Boy and the rain/thunder thing was just as real sounding as the Atmos theater. I'm thinking my surround backs firing up at the ceiling helped with that effect. Hell Boy also has good LFE and great surround effects and they were all better than the Atmos experience. The rest of the sound from dialog clarity to dynamics were also a step up.

This experiment may have postponed if not cancelled my Atmos speaker quest. If 7.1 in my room with the speakers I have is better than a good commercial Atmos theater and, as good as any IMAX I have been to, why bother?

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I do not go out to the movies other than an occasional visit to IMAX. All the Dolby Atmos chatter has made me very curious so as reported earlier, we (with our 15 year old son) went to a new Atmos theater in the area to see Guardians of the Galaxy (3D-Atmos). The Atmos demos were impressive especially the rain on the roof sequence and I was feeling positive about the possibilities for Atmos at home.

The movie (while very entertaining) was another story. I can't recall one moment where I noticed the Atmos "experience" and my wife/son were of the same opinion. Being a teen he loves going out to movies to hang with friends but we all agreed that movies sound much better at home. The wife is a person who doesn't pay attention to things like this but will indulge me in my hobby. She enjoyed GOTG and so last night we decided to drag out an old action bluray to test the theory. I chose Hell Boy as she hadn't seen it.

It wasn't long into the film before she turned to me and said "see how much better our HT sounds?". There are a lot of rain scenes in Hell Boy and the rain/thunder thing was just as real sounding as the Atmos theater. I'm thinking my surround backs firing up at the ceiling helped with that effect. Hell Boy also has good LFE and great surround effects and they were all better than the Atmos experience. The rest of the sound from dialog clarity to dynamics were also a step up.

This experiment may have postponed if not cancelled my Atmos speaker quest. If 7.1 in my room with the speakers I have is better than a good commercial Atmos theater and, as good as any IMAX I have been to, why bother?

Turns out, going out to the movies may be the most effective upgradeitis cure ...
Couldn't agree with you more about this. We saw TF4 in Atmos and it didn't do a thing for me. Really couldn't tell if anything was different than the other screens....
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I have really enjoyed all the Atmos movies I have seen so far. The biggest upgrade to me is the subs and the bass shakers though (oh and the recliners!!), not the surround effects.
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I have really enjoyed all the Atmos movies I have seen so far. The biggest upgrade to me is the subs and the bass shakers though (oh and the recliners!!), not the surround effects.
You should get Archaeas 228's and use them as surrounds with your 215-212 front end for MC music and some good surround effects films.

Then tell me you aren't impressed with surround sound ...

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Then tell me you aren't impressed with surround sound ...

Humm, surround speaker GTG? ...


Speaking of surround, I've been much happier with my own surrounds lately. I moved my front row up just a little bit, enough so that the side surrounds aren't directly to my side anymore. I like this much better. Before the side surrounds seemed too directional and it felt more like just listening to distinct points. Now I get a better and more believable surround field behind me.
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Speaking of surround, I've been much happier with my own surrounds lately. I moved my front row up just a little bit, enough so that the side surrounds aren't directly to my side anymore. I like this much better. Before the side surrounds seemed too directional and it felt more like just listening to distinct points. Now I get a better and more believable surround field behind me.
I noticed the same. Either a few degrees in front or behind is better than at 90° from the LP. Dunno why because it makes no sense logically.

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I agree, my surrounds are a foot behind me and I had them right in line at one point... they sound much better a foot or so back.

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