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Sounds like I have some research to do lol! I don't really like 3d but that has been in local iMax and my 50 inch panasonic plasma has the glasses that dim and I always felt it was just too dark to enjoy. Honestly 2d will be heavily dominant unless someone convinces me 3d on a Sony 55ES is better at home with a 100 inch screen 8.5ft away...I do game and will be playing Destiny online. I do like the theater surround sound and it's baddass for gaming but I do have a lazy boy flanked to the right in my room that I have a 25inch Asus computer monitor on an Ergatron arm that makes for a nice little gaming station. Is the 2d picture is better on the JVC RS45 (the model you guys are comparing to right?). Dlbeck seems to have a point with Nyal's recommendation though. I do remember someone saying his picture was the best they had ever seen. Of course I will be throwing on a DIY screen too lol. But I would be happy with either I know...Blackout shades here I come!!!!

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+1 - the reason I went with the 55ES is after recommendations from both Jeff Meier and Nyal Mellor. Those are the guys that see hundreds of projectors every year.
I am looking at the 55ES or JVC DLAX500, I saw the 55ES for sale from an AVS forum member, I asked him why he sold it and his reply was that if you turn off the reality creation the picture turned rather soft which didn't happen with the JVC so he felt the lenses on the JVC are superior to the 55ES. He didn't like the RC on the 55ES on at all times because for certain content he felt it was too much of a good thing. That was his observations, I like sharpness so that wouldn't be (I don't think) a problem for me so even though I can get either one at cost I may still go with the 55ES and save some money.
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Yea JD helped me with my Denon 4520ci and Oppo BD103D. You guys do good for sure! I'll check in when the time comes.
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I am looking at the 55ES or JVC DLAX500, I saw the 55ES for sale from an AVS forum member, I asked him why he sold it and his reply was that if you turn off the reality creation the picture turned rather soft which didn't happen with the JVC so he felt the lenses on the JVC are superior to the 55ES. He didn't like the RC on the 55ES on at all times because for certain content he felt it was too much of a good thing. That was his observations, I like sharpness so that wouldn't be (I don't think) a problem for me so even though I can get either one at cost I may still go with the 55ES and save some money.
Interesting...I will try my hardest to find a 55ES owner and a RS45 owner closest to Eugene OR :roll eyes:

I have the Oppo 103D which has the darbee video chip in it. I have read that it does it's best when big 100 inch plus PJ screens are used. It definitely gives a sense of sharpness in it's magic it does. I find I am hanging at about 40% High Definition mode.
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Interesting...I will try my hardest to find a 55ES owner and a RS45 owner closest to Eugene OR :roll eyes:

I have the Oppo 103D which has the darbee video chip in it. I have read that it does it's best when big 100 inch plus PJ screens are used. It definitely gives a sense of sharpness in it's magic it does. I find I am hanging at about 40% High Definition mode.

You know I had a Oppo 103D hooked up to my RS45 and it caused a really weird issue, with the Darbee set to on the image would flicker like crazy! and I also was able to have a darbee table in my signal chain and it worked good at first but then after a day or two I started to have handshake issues and then it would flicker too. I haven't really done much research to see if it's happened to anyone else or what the cause was.
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You know I had a Oppo 103D hooked up to my RS45 and it caused a really weird issue, with the Darbee set to on the image would flicker like crazy! and I also was able to have a darbee table in my signal chain and it worked good at first but then after a day or two I started to have handshake issues and then it would flicker too. I haven't really done much research to see if it's happened to anyone else or what the cause was.
Yea sounds buggy for sure...But would be curious to know if anyone else with a RS45 or similar had/has darbee issues...

BTW I am attending a wedding reception in Anacortes Washington in October. 96.4 miles to Vancouver according to map quest...
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Yea sounds buggy for sure...But would be curious to know if anyone else with a RS45 or similar had/has darbee issues...

BTW I am attending a wedding reception in Anacortes Washington in October. 96.4 miles to Vancouver according to map quest...
I'm actually only located about 8 miles from the Blaine border crossing, so you'd only be about 70-75miles away from me. You're welcome to stop by if you feel adventurous.
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I'll let you know tomorrow. But if you are a believer in Harman's listening research and their speaker test comparison equipment and facilities, as I am, then an interesting factoid is that these speakers were blindly compared by listening panels after each design iteration against the best speakers in the world and then improved each time based on those results. Over and over again. Utilizing some of the finest drivers on the planet.

Probably sounds like crap...
when Frank discusses the speaker in the video he talk about how you get all the high frequency information right up in the plane in between the speaker. Does that tell us something about the directivity? Is that a good thing? I didn't see or read through any technical data or polar plots but just wondering how you get that much high end detail at almost 180 degrees but not bring the early room reflections up? Must be a good answer since these guys are at the top of the field.
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You know I had a Oppo 103D hooked up to my RS45 and it caused a really weird issue, with the Darbee set to on the image would flicker like crazy! and I also was able to have a darbee table in my signal chain and it worked good at first but then after a day or two I started to have handshake issues and then it would flicker too. I haven't really done much research to see if it's happened to anyone else or what the cause was.
I've been reading up on the JVC 4910 thread as that's what I'm going with in about 2-3 months along with a Falcon screen. From what I've read, there are a few people who have had HDMI handshake problems while having the Darbee in the chain with this particular model. Not sure about the RS-45 though. Taking the Darbee out of the chain seems to "solve" the issue for most. I can't recall anyone having handshake issues while using a 103D/105D with Darbee enabled.

Also, how do you like your Falcon Screen? I'm having a tough time deciding between the scope and 16:9..
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when Frank discusses the speaker in the video he talk about how you get all the high frequency information right up in the plane in between the speaker. Does that tell us something about the directivity? Is that a good thing? I didn't see or read through any technical data or polar plots but just wondering how you get that much high end detail at almost 180 degrees but not bring the early room reflections up? Must be a good answer since these guys are at the top of the field.
It does bring the early reflections up. Despite common dogma, research suggests that the practice of attenuating early reflections is, at best, contentious.

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You know I had a Oppo 103D hooked up to my RS45 and it caused a really weird issue, with the Darbee set to on the image would flicker like crazy! and I also was able to have a darbee table in my signal chain and it worked good at first but then after a day or two I started to have handshake issues and then it would flicker too. I haven't really done much research to see if it's happened to anyone else or what the cause was.
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Yea sounds buggy for sure...But would be curious to know if anyone else with a RS45 or similar had/has darbee issues...

BTW I am attending a wedding reception in Anacortes Washington in October. 96.4 miles to Vancouver according to map quest...
I used a stand alone Darbee with an RS45 for a year and a half, no issues. You can't run a long HDMI cable off of the Darbee. Just place the Darbee near the projector, so that the long HDMI cable goes to the Darbee and the HDMI cable coming off the Darbee is short. Mine sat on top of the JVC. It now sits on top of my Sony VW600ES.

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Also, how do you like your Falcon Screen? I'm having a tough time deciding between the scope and 16:9..
I absolutely love my Falcon screen, my only regret was not going with a 2.35:1 scope screen to start with as now I'm considering selling my 16:9 screen to go to a scope screen!...lol
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I absolutely love my Falcon screen, my only regret was not going with a 2.35:1 scope screen to start with as now I'm considering selling my 16:9 screen to go to a scope screen!…lol
I was going to buy a used 16X9 screen and the more I chatted with some guys around here, the more I wanted a scope screen. I think it was Jonathan that sealed the deal for me to go scope. We both have the Panasonic PTAE8000U. I got the Carada Criterion 112" diag brilliant white. Still sitting in the box, next to my projector. I have to finish painting my room this weekend and then the screen is going up. Yehaw.
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Have you heard them yet?
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I haven't, but per the Harman Spin-o-rama plots my current speakers measure very similarly, so I would expect the M2s to sound similar, albeit with much more dynamic range and bass extension.

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I haven't, but per the Harman Spin-o-rama plots my current speakers measure very similarly, so I would expect the M2s to sound similar, albeit with much more dynamic range and bass extension.
Just read some reviews on your Revels. If the reviews are accurate then I think your expectations will be met.

That accurate, crazy good sound that can come out of top notch bookshelves is one of the qualities I lost since I moved to high dynamic, high output speakers. It's the primary thing that has kept me continually speaker searching. Each new speaker I get in the room I convince myself it's either good enough in that regard, or a tradeoff I'm willing to make for the dynamics, output, and power handling. But inevitably that compromise slowly eats away at me like a cancer.

Based on my experience today I can confidently say that the current listening impressions around the Web on the M2 are not hype as far as I'm concerned. I think you'll be rewarded with exactly what you expect after reading and then sitting down in front of them.
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I absolutely love my Falcon screen, my only regret was not going with a 2.35:1 scope screen to start with as now I'm considering selling my 16:9 screen to go to a scope screen!...lol
Thanks for your thoughts... It seems the general consensus is that you cannot go wrong with a scope screen if used for HT. Since I've already decided on the JVC, gaming is pretty much out due to the lag.. so that makes my decision a little easier.
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Just read some reviews on your Revels. If the reviews are accurate then I think your expectations will be met.

That accurate, crazy good sound that can come out of top notch bookshelves is one of the qualities I lost since I moved to high dynamic, high output speakers. It's the primary thing that has kept me continually speaker searching. Each new speaker I get in the room I convince myself it's either good enough in that regard, or a tradeoff I'm willing to make for the dynamics, output, and power handling. But inevitably that compromise slowly eats away at me like a cancer.

Based on my experience today I can confidently say that the current listening impressions around the Web on the M2 are not hype as far as I'm concerned. I think you'll be rewarded with exactly what you expect after reading and then sitting down in front of them.
I'm experiencing that nagging doubt with the small high end bookshelves as well. You wonder what you are missing out on in terms of output and dynamics. That's the appeal of the M2. There are no tradeoffs to speak of.

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I'm experiencing that nagging doubt with the small high end bookshelves as well. You wonder what you are missing out on in terms of output and dynamics. That's the appeal of the M2. There are no tradeoffs to speak of.

Very interested to hear more of your impressions.
Yeah, we're coming at this from different ends. Personally, I could never give up my high output dynamics for the bookshelf sound at lower volumes.
As good as those revels sound, they would be smoking heaps of wood and plastic when my LG amp was done with them.

But that's not to say that those qualities are low priority for me. In fact, they're high priority, just not as high a priority as high output and dynamics. It's the trade off I've been willing to accept for lack of a better option.
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JTR packing! Impressive! Same like when my four S2's was shipped. Two 215RT, one 215RM, and 4 Slanted 8's. From Wisconsin all the way to Hawaii.. Not a single scratch! Mind some of the photos. Don't know why after uploading my vertical pictures AVS photo uploader makes them landscaped.. Oh well more pictures will come after I set them up.
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Lol.. Btw, these just arrived yesterday. Right before our Hurricane passing. Perfect timing.
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Congrats! They look awesome!
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