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Are the amps loud? I have to have in room…
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I have a 120" diagonal 16:9 screen right now, with my front stage that I built that about as big as I could go. But if I went with a 2.35:1 screen I could go with a 120" wide screen. My only concern then would be if my projector would be bright enough for a screen that big. I guess I could just turn it to high mode when watching anything in 2.35:1 and normal mode in 16:9 mode.
I have the 4910 on a 138" 16:9 right now that is pretty darn lossy and it looks incredible. No issues at all

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So do these higher end PJ's auto recognize the format and make the shift for you? So basically a 16:9 image will be smaller by going with a scope screen then. I was planning on doing some gaming and we watch a lot of downloaded shows. We went through all seasons of Game of Thrones, Vikings, Arrow, and my wife has never watched Dexter so we just started season 3. I do plan on getting all of them on blu ray in the future, to re-watch, as they are all downloads now. Those are all 16:9 right? My natural instinct is to go 16:9. But I don't have experience and the 2:35:1 guys love it...

I like your idea with raising up the Submersives which act as speaker stand for L&R Triple 8's. They sit a couple inches below ear level while sitting so going up 6 inches will put the prob like 4 inches above ear level. I wonder if 6 inches will changes bass room response? I am sure not much though.
Yep I agree with the sentiment so far that 16:9 is probably a good bet for you. Gaming is unreal with a huge screen. Just incredible.

As far as raising the subs and getting different response, you might be surprised, but it very well could improve your response vs. hurting it. I would actually lean towards it helping, as you would be getting the sub drivers a little closer to the vertical 1/4 points in the room.
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Lets say I go for the inuke nu6000... What do I need to convert the XLR to speaker cable.
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Seriously, thank you for the offer.
But I'm afraid of the outcome to my bank account and wife acceptance at the moment.

What I will do in the mean time is keep the submersives and cross them over at 40htz to ease the amp and let the Seatons take over from there.
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There's your answer right there. The iNuke 6000 with the fan mod. Add the DSP capability and then you can let the 215RT's off the chain when you want without worry. Also, you can use their LFE capability which is significant. As beast noted above, having the subs up off the floor seems to have a positive effect. With enough power, I'm getting all I need and then some bass from the 215RT's and you need to give it a try ...

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Lets say I go for the inuke nu6000... What do I need to convert the XLR to speaker cable.
You mean XLR to RCA? http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-Technolog...osa+xlr+to+rca
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I connect my JTR 215RT's to my current amp via speaker cable...

How would I connect the JTR's to the inuke?

The JTR's do not accept XLR or RCA inputs?

I'm missing something here. *Also I never worked with PRO audio gear before, so excuse my ignorance*

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The iNuke DSP series is a nice amp for the price. I got a iNuke DSP 3000 and set it up this past weekend for the L / R T12s. I was running a QSC GX-5 for the L / R so I was already running a pro-amp for them. I switched out the amps and then re-ran Audyssey pro kit to balance everything out. After running Audyssey against the system I custom tuned the L / R sound using the iNuke DSP.

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Noise - It is about the same as other pro amps.
Noise floor - There is a more pronounced hiss than other amps I have used; QSC, Outlaw, Emotiva. I guess my house's power isn't clean and the iNuke does show this more than others.

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Price - Inexpensive for the power and functionality.
DSP - Really nice interface, quick and easy to use with instant feedback.
Weight - Very light which is great for those with bad backs.

Going along the lines of what Jeff said about boosting the mid-bass I put on a +5 gain DEQ boost from 150 Hz on down capping it at 65 with a HPF and the results were jaw dropping for me. I ran just the L / R speakers and at first thought my subs were on when playing music, I had to get up and confirm that the sub amp was off. The change really brought the JTRs to life and they were producing the mid-bass (and some bass) I always wanted.

After getting the JTRs tweaked I boosted the subs to remove the Audyssey neutering and enjoyed some music and watched a couple of movies with a big smile on my face.
Very cool. Have it your way by using simple tools that are common place in pro audio, but unusual in the plug and play Audyssey Home Theater world. My eyes were opened and I wish these amps were around when I had my T12's. I would probably still have them as it was the appeal of something "better" rather than any dissatisfaction with the Triple 12's that prompted the "upgrade". ...

Along those lines, I would say the differences between the Triple 12's and the Noesis are relatively small. I am pretty sure that I could not pick one from the other in a DB test. The 215RT's are the best speaker upgrade I have done because of the full range capability. I know bass is a narcotic and appeals to the male instinct for power and the raw forces of nature, but there is a point where you are getting all of the intended information on the disk. By adding to it, you are essentially creating something else which is similar to what Bose does with their frequency neutering of the sound. Over emphasized bass artificially enhances it. It's like talking your wife/girlfriend into implants.

Oh well, I guess I just blew my argument with that last one ...
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I connect my JTR 215RT's to my current amp via speaker cable...

How would I connect the JTR's to the inuke?

The JTR's do not accept XLR or RCA inputs?

I'm missing something here. *Also I never worked with PRO audio gear before, so excuse my ignorance*
You need to put speakon connectors on the amp end of the existing speaker cables. Very cheap to buy and easy to do. Youtube instructions on this simple process abound.

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I connect my JTR 215RT's to my current amp via speaker cable...

How would I connect the JTR's to the inuke?

The JTR's do not accept XLR or RCA inputs?

I'm missing something here. *Also I never worked with PRO audio gear before, so excuse my ignorance*
I will be using XLR>RCA to the AVR and out with Speakon's > banana plugs. It is actually pretty simple. I just bought a handful of speakon's at monoprice for like $2 bucks a piece. I am using an Inuke 3000 dsp to start. I was afraid of overloading my circuit considering I only had room for one 20 amp receptacle for my rack (panel full). However, I have a friend who is a licensed electrician who we forgot about and I called him and he came and put in a new 200 amp panel in last weekend, I got the biggest panel they make. I am going to have him run me 2 more 20 amp dedicated lines to my theater. Got plenty of room for expansion now. Will defiantly be getting some bigger amps now.

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I have the 4910 on a 138" 16:9 right now that is pretty darn lossy and it looks incredible. No issues at all
What is your PJ throw distance to the screen?

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Very cool. Have it your way by using simple tools that are common place in pro audio, but unusual in the plug and play Audyssey Home Theater world. My eyes were opened and I wish these amps were around when I had my T12's. I would probably still have them as it was the appeal of something "better" rather than any dissatisfaction with the Triple 12's that prompted the "upgrade". ...
Yeah I like the idea of using both, allowing Audyssey to balance everything and make it flat and then applying the 'house curve' on top of it to fine tune things to my taste. The Audyssey pro kit's +/- 3 DB changes really never seemed to do anything so the additional DSP was needed.

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I know bass is a narcotic and appeals to the male instinct for power and the raw forces of nature, but there is a point where you are getting all of the intended information on the disk. By adding to it, you are essentially creating something else which is similar to what Bose does with their frequency neutering of the sound. Over emphasized bass artificially enhances it.
8 sealed MFWs hooked into a EP4000 and a SVS Ultra/2 handle 100 Hz and below so getting more out of the T12s above that realm was missing until now.
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I connect my JTR 215RT's to my current amp via speaker cable...

How would I connect the JTR's to the inuke?

The JTR's do not accept XLR or RCA inputs?

I'm missing something here. *Also I never worked with PRO audio gear before, so excuse my ignorance*
From the iNuke to speakers I kept the same speaker cables in place, removed the banana clips and installed 4 wire speakons connectors. I have never installed speakon connectors before and it was super simple. It took a total of 5 minutes and once done I have to say it is very nice for connecting / disconnecting.

From the Denon receiver to the iNuke I have both XLR and TRS to RCA converters and both worked without issue. This allowed me to use the same RCA cable I had before and just add in a $2 part to the mix.
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I have the 4910 on a 138" 16:9 right now that is pretty darn lossy and it looks incredible. No issues at all
That's the JVC, right?

Projector Central's calculator says your screen is too big for that projector to light up. I could see it if it was close but you are off the chart.

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Re: The Inuke6000DSP: I've been very happy with mine so far. I haven't used the DSP function as I'm using my minidsp for now, but it does seem to have tons of power; power on par with my Peavey IPR in 4 ohm mode. The fans by default are slightly quieter on the inuke as well. The one con for the Inuke is that when powered on/off by my remote relay it does have quite a loud audible thump. This does not happen if you use the power button though. The amp seems to have a relay built in to power down the amp/DSP in specific sequences. Obviously using a remote relay to power the amp is like unplugging the cord which is why this issue exists. None of my other amps do that. I understand the non DSP model does not have this issue.
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I connect my JTR 215RT's to my current amp via speaker cable...

How would I connect the JTR's to the inuke?

The JTR's do not accept XLR or RCA inputs?

I'm missing something here. *Also I never worked with PRO audio gear before, so excuse my ignorance*
You would connect your avr's preouts to the inuke's inputs, but you will need an rca to xlr adapter such as this:


http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-1047...rds=rca+to+xlr


http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-Technolog...rds=rca+to+xlr


Then you will need to use speaker wire with speakon connectors from the inuke to your 215. Here is how to attach speakon's:




Enjoy your 215's!
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That's the JVC, right?

Projector Central's calculator says your screen is too big for that projector to light up. I could see it if it was close but you are off the chart.
I've personally found that the Projector Central calculator is just a guide, it says that my JVC RS-45 would be really dim with my screen and distance the projector is mounted at. I still find my projector/screen combo very bright, I have a 1000hrs on my bulb now and still don't run it in high mode.
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I've personally found that the Projector Central calculator is just a guide, it says that my JVC RS-45 would be really dim with my screen and distance the projector is mounted at. I still find my projector/screen combo very bright, I have a 1000hrs on my bulb now and still don't run it in high mode.
OF course it is a guide but it is based upon science (math) and manufacturers specs. The Projector Central Calculator Pro is an excellent guide that helps folks choose the right projector and screen. Some are fine with running their projectors at lower than recommended ANSI lumen levels (less than 16FL) and that's cool. But it is good to know where you stand in that regard and the Projection Central Calculator Pro is a nice free tool that does that for anyone who cares to use it.

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I connect my JTR 215RT's to my current amp via speaker cable...

How would I connect the JTR's to the inuke?

The JTR's do not accept XLR or RCA inputs?

I'm missing something here. *Also I never worked with PRO audio gear before, so excuse my ignorance*
Ah yes, the speakon connector is what you need, really the easiest connection on the planet to make.

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What is your PJ throw distance to the screen?

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That's the JVC, right?

Projector Central's calculator says your screen is too big for that projector to light up. I could see it if it was close but you are off the chart.
What's off the chart about this?

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What's off the chart about this?

I have no idea . I was just trying to figure out how far back I should mount my PJ since I have no clue about projectors. Little did I know there could be a possible issue with your setup and I apparently stepped in something . So I'll let you and RMK discuss this and maybe I can learn something along the way
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Ah yes, the speakon connector is what you need, really the easiest connection on the planet to make.





What's off the chart about this?

Yellow = not bright enough as the "recommended higher brightness" in yellow says. If you look at the calculation by Throw Range (the default) rather than Diagonal measurement, 136" is the default maximum on the slider. That makes 138" "off the chart" IMHO.

The bottom line is you will have a hard time getting a 16FL reading without a bright (1.4 or more) screen. If Mr. Beast has a bright screen then he may be good.

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I don't know of a single AT screen that measures above 1.0 total. Certainly not 1.4. I will say though, the image is plenty bright for me at this point and I get incredible contrast. I know a lot of the guys in the calibration section usually don't see much more than 12-14 calibrated lumens once they get done with their setups either. The BenQ by contrast was getting that 16fL+ image and it looked great too, but I don't see much difference at 11. I guess I would need to do a sbs to see honestly.
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and also, playing around and switching to the x500 which is the same PJ as the 4910 I'm pretty sure, I then get 22 fL at the same settings. Not sure what to really think about that...
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I run an rs4810 on a 158" diagonal 16x9 seymour xd in a dark room at minimum throw and it's great on low lamp mode. I had it professionally calibrated and he said that although it's on the low side he wouldn't hesitate to run it as is...and PJcentral says I'm "off the charts too". It probably wouldn't work well for 3d but I couldn't care less for that fad.

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I have the 4910 on a 138" 16:9 right now that is pretty darn lossy and it looks incredible. No issues at all



Yep I agree with the sentiment so far that 16:9 is probably a good bet for you. Gaming is unreal with a huge screen. Just incredible.

As far as raising the subs and getting different response, you might be surprised, but it very well could improve your response vs. hurting it. I would actually lean towards it helping, as you would be getting the sub drivers a little closer to the vertical 1/4 points in the room.
vertical for better response is exactly what I was thinking.

Oh yea, what was your DIY screen material ?
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Some spandex material from hancock fabrics that set me back about $30 Remember when I told you it would work just fine for you? I wasn't kidding! Haha. I do plan to get a falcon screen here soon enough, just waiting on rich to iron out his 16:9 masking panels design.
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Very cool. Have it your way by using simple tools that are common place in pro audio, but unusual in the plug and play Audyssey Home Theater world. My eyes were opened and I wish these amps were around when I had my T12's. I would probably still have them as it was the appeal of something "better" rather than any dissatisfaction with the Triple 12's that prompted the "upgrade". ...

Along those lines, I would say the differences between the Triple 12's and the Noesis are relatively small. I am pretty sure that I could not pick one from the other in a DB test. The 215RT's are the best speaker upgrade I have done because of the full range capability. I know bass is a narcotic and appeals to the male instinct for power and the raw forces of nature, but there is a point where you are getting all of the intended information on the disk. By adding to it, you are essentially creating something else which is similar to what Bose does with their frequency neutering of the sound. Over emphasized bass artificially enhances it. It's like talking your wife/girlfriend into implants.

Oh well, I guess I just blew my argument with that last one ...
I have to say I could not disagree more about the differences between the T12 and Noesis212. I find the mid and top end in a different class with music listening and less so with movie dialog. In music listening I always felt like I was trying to cover up the top end a bit with the bass, something more fatiguing. For me the Noesis top end is very addictive.
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Some spandex material from hancock fabrics that set me back about $30 Remember when I told you it would work just fine for you? I wasn't kidding! Haha. I do plan to get a falcon screen here soon enough, just waiting on rich to iron out his 16:9 masking panels design.
Nice. Looks like my screen will be right at 100 inches. Be a great one over 50 inches lol. I could do the falcon material and a screen would set me back a few hundred. Perhaps I will do spandex, which gets great reviews, then go Falcon when our future and home is decided in a dedicated room. Then it will be a visual upgrade. Perhaps even a video processor for deep calibration as well.
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Nice. Looks like my screen will be right at 100 inches. Be a great one over 50 inches lol. I could do the falcon material and a screen would set me back a few hundred. Perhaps I will do spandex, which gets great reviews, then go Falcon when our future and home is decided in a dedicated room. Then it will be a visual upgrade. Perhaps even a video processor for deep calibration as well.
Not a bad idea. The little DIY screen effort I have now is pretty insane for the <$100 pricetag. Falcon would definitely be an upgrade, but it is surprisingly impressive on its own accord.
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post
I have to say I could not disagree more about the differences between the T12 and Noesis212. I find the mid and top end in a different class with music listening and less so with movie dialog. In music listening I always felt like I was trying to cover up the top end a bit with the bass, something more fatiguing. For me the Noesis top end is very addictive.
For me the clarity of the T12 highs can also be bright with music. I took 2khz - 4khz down 1 db plus boosted 150hz down 5 db which really made the speakers shine with music. I will play a little more with the DSP and setup a couple of pre-sets for various music and movie types. The highs were never an issue with movies but the boosted mid-bass is really nice.
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