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For me the clarity of the T12 highs can also be bright with music. I took 2khz - 4khz down 1 db plus boosted 150hz down 5 db which really made the speakers shine with music. I will play a little more with the DSP and setup a couple of pre-sets for various music and movie types. The highs were never an issue with movies but the boosted mid-bass is really nice.
I think that dip in the 2-4khz area is a good one seems to go along with the perceived loudness curves of human hearing soemwhat too. I am very lucky on the midbass because I have a response that goes up fast from about 200hz-to 90hz where it ends at +15dB with no eq. I actually have to put in a -7dB @125 hz 1/3oct band cut to get it wher I like it for music. One of the reasons I bought the ported design was even though I knew they wer going next to the wall I could always use cuts to get the FR where I wanted it. Always beter to have more headroom. I think your solution with a powerful amp and dsp also takes care of the job.
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For me the clarity of the T12 highs can also be bright with music. I took 2khz - 4khz down 1 db plus boosted 150hz down 5 db which really made the speakers shine with music. I will play a little more with the DSP and setup a couple of pre-sets for various music and movie types. The highs were never an issue with movies but the boosted mid-bass is really nice.
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OF course it is a guide but it is based upon science (math) and manufacturers specs. The Projector Central Calculator Pro is an excellent guide that helps folks choose the right projector and screen. Some are fine with running their projectors at lower than recommended ANSI lumen levels (less than 16FL) and that's cool. But it is good to know where you stand in that regard and the Projection Central Calculator Pro is a nice free tool that does that for anyone who cares to use it.

The other thing the Calculator Pro doesn't take into account is calibrated lumens of the projectors. When I bought my RS45 I believe the Epson, Sony and Panasonic were brighter until you calibrated the projectors. Once they were calibrated the RS45 was one of the brightness. The calculator just takes the manufactures specs and inputs the numbers, most manufactures aren't exactly honest with their actual lumen specs...lol Much like their insane claimed contrast ratios.
JVC seems to be pretty close to what they say they are.
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The other thing the Calculator Pro doesn't take into account is calibrated lumens of the projectors. When I bought my RS45 I believe the Epson, Sony and Panasonic were brighter until you calibrated the projectors. Once they were calibrated the RS45 was one of the brightness. The calculator just takes the manufactures specs and inputs the numbers, most manufactures aren't exactly honest with their actual lumen specs...lol Much like their insane claimed contrast ratios.
JVC seems to be pretty close to what they say they are.
I have seen what 10-12 ANSI lumens looks like and now have 16+ on my Sony (in high lamp mode). I know which I prefer but then, thats just me. Apparently, video preference is as subjective as audio.

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For me the clarity of the T12 highs can also be bright with music. I took 2khz - 4khz down 1 db plus boosted 150hz down 5 db which really made the speakers shine with music. I will play a little more with the DSP and setup a couple of pre-sets for various music and movie types. The highs were never an issue with movies but the boosted mid-bass is really nice.
DSP is key. Seaton Sound has been using lesser drivers (relative to Noesis) to get a comparable or even preferable sound out of his Cats with his active DSP approach. The room and the FR in sync with the listeners taste is the formula for sucess. By shaping your FR to your liking, you simply cut to the chase. A good lesson for all of us ...

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I have seen what 10-12 ANSI lumens looks like and now have 16+ on my Sony (in high lamp mode). I know which I prefer but then, thats just me. Apparently, video preference is as subjective as audio.

Personally, 10-12 lumens is way to low for my tastes..............20+ is more to my liking. My Sony really throws a superb picture.

BTW, I've been searching what JTR crowd is thinking regarding Atmos implementation.......been relatively quiet on that front.
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Ha, that's awesome! Those Avantegarde's sound good from what I read. Man, those massive red horn speakers behind them are awesome looking.

But my audio thoughts are consumed by the M2 right now...
I thought about the M2's as well, talked to Dennis at D-sonic and he actually recommended the M3-600m's even for the 215RT's (doing my homework early).
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I currently am at 17+ lumens and I'd hate to have anything less. I personally am with doublewing, I'd like to have over 20.

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Ok, so some time has passed since I listened to the M2's. I walked away convinced I just heard the best speakers I've ever personally heard. But, as time does its thing, doubt has begun to creep back into my brain. Could they really have been that impressive for me to drop that kind of coin?

Given that I know there are a number of guys on this thread on the East coast that are interested to listen to various designs, even if they're not necessarily in the market for new speakers, is there anyone that would be interested in joining me for a "mini-gtg" to have a listen to the M2's? I not only need to listen again for myself before I drop that kind of cash, but I admit I would like independent confirmation from some ears I know have heard many speakers to help validate my impressions. I do have this crazy(?) fear that I'm subconsciously liking these speakers because I'm told and read they "should" sound amazing.

If these speakers are what I think they were, then I'm very confident another pair of ears will hear it. If its not confirmed by other ears than I have to consider if I'm being bamboozled by a placebo effect or expectation bias. Knowing what I know of these effects, I want to be more certain. I worry I could be affected by the $10,000 cable phenomenon

Sooo, any east coaster up for an M2 listening session? Surely there is someone interested in expanding their speaker listening repertoire. Post analysis food and drinks on me.

Or is this crazy to even ask? I know speaker selection is a personal thing, but if these speakers are the game changers I think they are it shouldn't be something that only I can hear . After several gtg's I consider listening to new speakers as a social event and why shouldn't I tap the vast amount of experience of the members of this thread before I drop a typical 1 year salary on speakers? Also, these are high output 2 way compression driver designs with extension from 20Hz- 40 kHz which is a design right up the alley of most any enthusiast on this thread. Somebody must be curious enough to hear these, no?
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O..M..G!!!! Wanted to hear how the slanted 8's sound in 2 channel.. So I hooked them up.. Turned on the quad S2's.. Threw inPhil Collins. Cranked them up +5..Sorry my language but SH!!!!T! I just can't believe most of us here bought them for surrounds? Are we NUTS!! Man those of us think that these little speakers ain't worth the cost? BS! In so many levels.... enough said... Im enjoying the rest of the evening..
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I can't believe it . These little speakers blew pass the MV point then my 2000$ per speaker Mythos ST's could without gassing out. And they still can go more..Geezze! Im just rollin on the floor laughing!! And it just sound awesome.. Just awesome!! Oh, wait just threw in xrcd Eagles..lol
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Yea, they're the stealth sleepers in the JTR line up, that's for sure. The sound that comes out of them belies what your eyes are looking at.

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Yea, they're the stealth sleepers in the JR line up, that's for sure. The sound that comes out of them belies what your eyes are looking at.
I think 5 or 7 of these S8's with a pair of cap 2400 will be a awsome stealth setup.. Well maybe not to stealthy once you see the caps.. Lol..
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For me the clarity of the T12 highs can also be bright with music. I took 2khz - 4khz down 1 db plus boosted 150hz down 5 db which really made the speakers shine with music. I will play a little more with the DSP and setup a couple of pre-sets for various music and movie types. The highs were never an issue with movies but the boosted mid-bass is really nice.
Ok I am considering the nanoavr more than ever! I get the mini dsp effect now with the two submersives, with the Open DRC, and it does a sub 80hz house curve just as I like it. But I want to have control over the entire FR. I forgot, did you mention what tool you are using to EQ? I totally agree with the 2-4 region coming down as well.
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Ok, so some time has passed since I listened to the M2's. I walked away convinced I just heard the best speakers I've ever personally heard. But, as time does its thing, doubt has begun to creep back into my brain. Could they really have been that impressive for me to drop that kind of coin?

Given that I know there are a number of guys on this thread on the East coast that are interested to listen to various designs, even if they're not necessarily in the market for new speakers, is there anyone that would be interested in joining me for a "mini-gtg" to have a listen to the M2's? I not only need to listen again for myself before I drop that kind of cash, but I admit I would like independent confirmation from some ears I know have heard many speakers to help validate my impressions. I do have this crazy(?) fear that I'm subconsciously liking these speakers because I'm told and read they "should" sound amazing.

If these speakers are what I think they were, then I'm very confident another pair of ears will hear it. If its not confirmed by other ears than I have to consider if I'm being bamboozled by a placebo effect or expectation bias. Knowing what I know of these effects, I want to be more certain. I worry I could be affected by the $10,000 cable phenomenon

Sooo, any east coaster up for an M2 listening session? Surely there is someone interested in expanding their speaker listening repertoire. Post analysis food and drinks on me.

Or is this crazy to even ask? I know speaker selection is a personal thing, but if these speakers are the game changers I think they are it shouldn't be something that only I can hear . After several gtg's I consider listening to new speakers as a social event and why shouldn't I tap the vast amount of experience of the members of this thread before I drop a typical 1 year salary on speakers? Also, these are high output 2 way compression driver designs with extension from 20Hz- 40 kHz which is a design right up the alley of most any enthusiast on this thread. Somebody must be curious enough to hear these, no?
I think you will get some interested and seems totally logical to me. And numerous guys out that way
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Slanted 8's part 2! Lol.. Again. All I can say is WOW! These S8's are some speakers to be reckon with. Hmm, no wonder on the JTR's website, none of the S8 line are labeled monitors. They are labeled as loudspeakers..lol.. After a few more hours with some of my Xrcd and K2hd-cd's collection. These speakers just grabs every vocal, instrument notes, and every beat it gets thrown at. I also feel it has some good mid bass for its size. Really woke up my old Pioneer sc-09 receiver. The wifey loves the sound of them too. She was in awe. And I can't believe I'm going to use them for monitors. Like I posted earlier, I bet 5 or 7 of these with some ported caps. Or maybe with a orbit shifter would be a wicked setup. Can't wait till I get them up for multichannel music. Just wanna say thanks to all on this board who have or listened to these speakers. And posted their positive feedback. These were another blind buy for me.

Some of the music I listened to with the S8's..

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Ok, so some time has passed since I listened to the M2's. I walked away convinced I just heard the best speakers I've ever personally heard. But, as time does its thing, doubt has begun to creep back into my brain. Could they really have been that impressive for me to drop that kind of coin?

Given that I know there are a number of guys on this thread on the East coast that are interested to listen to various designs, even if they're not necessarily in the market for new speakers, is there anyone that would be interested in joining me for a "mini-gtg" to have a listen to the M2's? I not only need to listen again for myself before I drop that kind of cash, but I admit I would like independent confirmation from some ears I know have heard many speakers to help validate my impressions. I do have this crazy(?) fear that I'm subconsciously liking these speakers because I'm told and read they "should" sound amazing.

If these speakers are what I think they were, then I'm very confident another pair of ears will hear it. If its not confirmed by other ears than I have to consider if I'm being bamboozled by a placebo effect or expectation bias. Knowing what I know of these effects, I want to be more certain. I worry I could be affected by the $10,000 cable phenomenon

Sooo, any east coaster up for an M2 listening session? Surely there is someone interested in expanding their speaker listening repertoire. Post analysis food and drinks on me.

Or is this crazy to even ask? I know speaker selection is a personal thing, but if these speakers are the game changers I think they are it shouldn't be something that only I can hear . After several gtg's I consider listening to new speakers as a social event and why shouldn't I tap the vast amount of experience of the members of this thread before I drop a typical 1 year salary on speakers? Also, these are high output 2 way compression driver designs with extension from 20Hz- 40 kHz which is a design right up the alley of most any enthusiast on this thread. Somebody must be curious enough to hear these, no?
Hey - If you're looking to another opinion, I'd be happy (and fortunate) to come over for a listen. Shoot me a PM and we'll pick out a time frame.
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@Gooddoc - Do you have an AT screen? If so, maybe we could put on a blind test for you at your place?
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Ok, so some time has passed since I listened to the M2's. I walked away convinced I just heard the best speakers I've ever personally heard. But, as time does its thing, doubt has begun to creep back into my brain. Could they really have been that impressive for me to drop that kind of coin?

Given that I know there are a number of guys on this thread on the East coast that are interested to listen to various designs, even if they're not necessarily in the market for new speakers, is there anyone that would be interested in joining me for a "mini-gtg" to have a listen to the M2's? I not only need to listen again for myself before I drop that kind of cash, but I admit I would like independent confirmation from some ears I know have heard many speakers to help validate my impressions. I do have this crazy(?) fear that I'm subconsciously liking these speakers because I'm told and read they "should" sound amazing.

If these speakers are what I think they were, then I'm very confident another pair of ears will hear it. If its not confirmed by other ears than I have to consider if I'm being bamboozled by a placebo effect or expectation bias. Knowing what I know of these effects, I want to be more certain. I worry I could be affected by the $10,000 cable phenomenon

Sooo, any east coaster up for an M2 listening session? Surely there is someone interested in expanding their speaker listening repertoire. Post analysis food and drinks on me.

Or is this crazy to even ask? I know speaker selection is a personal thing, but if these speakers are the game changers I think they are it shouldn't be something that only I can hear . After several gtg's I consider listening to new speakers as a social event and why shouldn't I tap the vast amount of experience of the members of this thread before I drop a typical 1 year salary on speakers? Also, these are high output 2 way compression driver designs with extension from 20Hz- 40 kHz which is a design right up the alley of most any enthusiast on this thread. Somebody must be curious enough to hear these, no?
I would be interested. I already told you anytime you want to GTG, I am in.
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Personally, 10-12 lumens is way to low for my tastes..............20+ is more to my liking. My Sony really throws a superb picture.

BTW, I've been searching what JTR crowd is thinking regarding Atmos implementation.......been relatively quiet on that front.
There is a pretty good ATMOS thread going over in the AVS AV receiver/processor section. Been trying to follow that. I think since it really hasn't hit the home market yet, there are very few opinions on Atmos for the home. There were some demo's recently held by Dolby and a few AVS folks where there to give their opinions. Oddly enough several of them liked the ATMOS speakers that threw the sound off from the top of the front speakers versus the ceiling speakers. Most of them were surprised they like it more....but that was just one demo in one room. I don't think we will really know until folks have it at home and can do some evaluation. I will keep my eye on it.

On a related note, RMK did post a few days ago that Jeff was working on some in ceiling JTR speakers. Might fit the bill down the line
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There is a pretty good ATMOS thread going over in the AVS AV receiver/processor section. Been trying to follow that. I think since it really hasn't hit the home market yet, there are very few opinions on Atmos for the home. There were some demo's recently held by Dolby and a few AVS folks where there to give their opinions. Oddly enough several of them liked the ATMOS speakers that threw the sound off from the top of the front speakers versus the ceiling speakers. Most of them were surprised they like it more....but that was just one demo in one room. I don't think we will really know until folks have it at home and can do some evaluation. I will keep my eye on it.

On a related note, RMK did post a few days ago that Jeff was working on some in ceiling JTR speakers. Might fit the bill down the line
I got an issue of Crutchfield yesterday and on the cover was ATMOS. It must be getting close, they had page dedicated to all the AVR's with pictures and pricing.
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@Gooddoc - Do you have an AT screen? If so, maybe we could put on a blind test for you at your place?
I stand with Gorilla83 Have a blind test if at all possible. Will remove all doubts whether it was a perceived improvement with the M2. If you could have some JTRs, Seatons, etc... in attendance it would make for a heck of a show
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On a related note, RMK did post a few days ago that Jeff was working on some in ceiling JTR speakers. Might fit the bill down the line
For those installing ceiling speakers (for Atmos), they are looking towards coaxial designs since horizontal dispersion patterns for conventional speakers are problematic for these types of installations. This puts the S8 speakers in the spotlight for me. This whole time I was waiting for Jeff to come out with new surrounds to match the Noesis line but it seems he already had what I did not yet know, I needed.
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Sooo, any east coaster up for an M2 listening session? Surely there is someone interested in expanding their speaker listening repertoire. Post analysis food and drinks on me.

Or is this crazy to even ask? I know speaker selection is a personal thing, but if these speakers are the game changers I think they are it shouldn't be something that only I can hear . After several gtg's I consider listening to new speakers as a social event and why shouldn't I tap the vast amount of experience of the members of this thread before I drop a typical 1 year salary on speakers? Also, these are high output 2 way compression driver designs with extension from 20Hz- 40 kHz which is a design right up the alley of most any enthusiast on this thread. Somebody must be curious enough to hear these, no?
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@Gooddoc - Do you have an AT screen? If so, maybe we could put on a blind test for you at your place?
YES YES YES YES. I don't know where you drove to hear the m2's last time, but if it is any closer to me than philly I would make the trip to listen in. Rilla with his multiple g2g's would be a heck of a guy to chime in on their performance, since at this point he has heard everything under the sun...
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+1. I'd be all over this if I was still in VA.
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Correct me if I'm wrong Doc but I thought you were looking for "another pair of ears" to come along for another demo of the M2's at the dealer or owners location where you heard them last week. I would think that would preclude any side by side testing.


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Ok, so some time has passed since I listened to the M2's. I walked away convinced I just heard the best speakers I've ever personally heard. But, as time does its thing, doubt has begun to creep back into my brain. Could they really have been that impressive for me to drop that kind of coin?

Given that I know there are a number of guys on this thread on the East coast that are interested to listen to various designs, even if they're not necessarily in the market for new speakers, is there anyone that would be interested in joining me for a "mini-gtg" to have a listen to the M2's? I not only need to listen again for myself before I drop that kind of cash, but I admit I would like independent confirmation from some ears I know have heard many speakers to help validate my impressions. I do have this crazy(?) fear that I'm subconsciously liking these speakers because I'm told and read they "should" sound amazing.

If these speakers are what I think they were, then I'm very confident another pair of ears will hear it. If its not confirmed by other ears than I have to consider if I'm being bamboozled by a placebo effect or expectation bias. Knowing what I know of these effects, I want to be more certain. I worry I could be affected by the $10,000 cable phenomenon

Sooo, any east coaster up for an M2 listening session? Surely there is someone interested in expanding their speaker listening repertoire. Post analysis food and drinks on me.

Or is this crazy to even ask? I know speaker selection is a personal thing, but if these speakers are the game changers I think they are it shouldn't be something that only I can hear . After several gtg's I consider listening to new speakers as a social event and why shouldn't I tap the vast amount of experience of the members of this thread before I drop a typical 1 year salary on speakers? Also, these are high output 2 way compression driver designs with extension from 20Hz- 40 kHz which is a design right up the alley of most any enthusiast on this thread. Somebody must be curious enough to hear these, no?

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Personally, 10-12 lumens is way to low for my tastes..............20+ is more to my liking. My Sony really throws a superb picture.

BTW, I've been searching what JTR crowd is thinking regarding Atmos implementation.......been relatively quiet on that front.
You are way out in front on this one Cory. I think most are taking a wait and see attitude re Atmos. My take based upon a commercial Atmos Theater experience is mixed. It has potential to be good but I would think the market is much smaller than 3D and look where that is now. Could end up being just the latest gimmick to sell speakers and AVR's.

I think it is really interesting that Onkyo/Integra have dropped Audyssey with their new Atmos capable models. Not sure if Denon has done the same.

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So far D&M are stepping up their game to keep Audyssey on their units. It requires extra dsp chips with the added atmos requirements, but so far, so good.
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That's the JVC, right?

Projector Central's calculator says your screen is too big for that projector to light up. I could see it if it was close but you are off the chart.
The calculator is not very good with the JVC's. If he is at mid to short throw, he should be getting 16/17 FL in high lamp calibrated. That is good brightness in a good dedicated room, but does not leave you with long lamp life, since he is starting out in high lamp and will need the iris mostly open.

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