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It's the Parasound Halo A31

And I am running three 215RT's
Are you running your subs with the 215's?
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It was at reference only, and I would be listening at that all the time. I need a 2000 watt for sure it sounds like.
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I know a guy that might be selling his well maintained LG 10000Q shortly. I'll be sure to tell him to contact you if you're interested.

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Just remember, if you are room width limited, go 16:9. If your are room height limited, go scope....You will get to go wayy bigger.
I have a 120" diagonal 16:9 screen right now, with my front stage that I built that about as big as I could go. But if I went with a 2.35:1 screen I could go with a 120" wide screen. My only concern then would be if my projector would be bright enough for a screen that big. I guess I could just turn it to high mode when watching anything in 2.35:1 and normal mode in 16:9 mode.

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How would a Peavey IPR2 7500 do at powering the 215RT's? Two of them would only cost $1600, SOWK that might be a good option.

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SOWK, I can still bring over the LG10k if you want. It will drive the 215 to their limits. I don't have it running yet in my theater so it is no problem.

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SOWK, I can still bring over the LG10k if you want. It will drive the 215 to their limits. I don't have it running yet in my theater so it is no problem.
That's one hell of a nice offer!

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Why not get an iNuke DSP 6000 for the 215RT? Only $400. Puts out a bench tested 2k watts at 4ohms per channel. Has flat out awesome DSP that will let you program in the house curve of your choice and even supply dynamic EQ! Seems like for the price to performance and wattage it's a standout option?!!?!?!?!
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Why not get an iNuke DSP 6000 for the 215RT? Only $400. Puts out a bench tested 2k watts at 4ohms per channel. Has flat out awesome DSP that will let you program in the house curve of your choice and even supply dynamic EQ! Seems like for the price to performance and wattage it's a standout option?!!?!?!?!
That's the option I went with too. I put in order for 2 6000 dsp. I save some money going that route. My first decision was 3 xls 2500 that would take me to $1800 vs 800. The only thing though is that cooling system is loud on the inukes. Then I figured it wouldn't matter much since my 2 dedicated circuits are setup at the next room. Where my amps going to go.
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You go with the center on the windowsill method, you could just build some little stands for the subm's to get them all at the same level, I am used to having the compressions drivers a couple inches above my ear height but I really like it this way as it sounds perfect at my seat, and helps the second row out tremendously over them being a couple inches lower.

As far as the 2.35 goes, you know right now when you watch some movies and the black bars are at the top and bottom of the screen? Well, by going cinemascope, you alleviate that and the picture fills up the whole screen. The problem is when you are watching normal tv or gaming, both of which are shot in 16:9 format, you then get the black bars on either side of the picture. If you were to go scope, you would have to get something like the panny8000, newever JVC, (not sure about the sony's) that have the lens shift so you can basically have a setting that works right depending on what you are watching.

The general consensus is you make small sacrifices with your 16:9 picture for the most epic widescreen experience for the big blockbuster films that are mostly shot in scope format. Oh, and yes, most guys build out "masking panels" to put up on either side of their screen to immediately make it appear as if it was a 16:9 screen from the get-go. This also helps to absorb some of the light the PJ might be throwing in the dead areas. It bothers some people, but my guess is you will be so far in heaven you won't even notice it. I haven't for 4 years now Haha.
So do these higher end PJ's auto recognize the format and make the shift for you? So basically a 16:9 image will be smaller by going with a scope screen then. I was planning on doing some gaming and we watch a lot of downloaded shows. We went through all seasons of Game of Thrones, Vikings, Arrow, and my wife has never watched Dexter so we just started season 3. I do plan on getting all of them on blu ray in the future, to re-watch, as they are all downloads now. Those are all 16:9 right? My natural instinct is to go 16:9. But I don't have experience and the 2:35:1 guys love it...

I like your idea with raising up the Submersives which act as speaker stand for L&R Triple 8's. They sit a couple inches below ear level while sitting so going up 6 inches will put the prob like 4 inches above ear level. I wonder if 6 inches will changes bass room response? I am sure not much though.
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I know a guy that might be selling his well maintained LG 10000Q shortly. I'll be sure to tell him to contact you if you're interested.
Doc, found a room full of speakers you should test out
at one point the camera man shifts his position to the left side of the left speaker and you can see the side wall full of speakers!

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I have a 120" diagonal 16:9 screen right now, with my front stage that I built that about as big as I could go. But if I went with a 2.35:1 screen I could go with a 120" wide screen. My only concern then would be if my projector would be bright enough for a screen that big. I guess I could just turn it to high mode when watching anything in 2.35:1 and normal mode in 16:9 mode.
I am more width limited than height limited. So a scope would be smaller..
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Why not get an iNuke DSP 6000 for the 215RT? Only $400. Puts out a bench tested 2k watts at 4ohms per channel. Has flat out awesome DSP that will let you program in the house curve of your choice and even supply dynamic EQ! Seems like for the price to performance and wattage it's a standout option?!!?!?!?!
Plus it is already tested and proven by Carp
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I am more width limited than height limited. So a scope would be smaller..

If you're width limited just go with the biggest 16:9 that you can make work.

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If you're width limited just go with the biggest 16:9 that you can make work.
Glad you think so since I was feeling that way Also glad to have some west coasters up still
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Doc, found a room full of speakers you should test out
at one point the camera man shifts his position to the left side of the left speaker and you can see the side wall full of speakers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1tW...=RDjRFMPlrti_I
Ha, that's awesome! Those Avantegarde's sound good from what I read. Man, those massive red horn speakers behind them are awesome looking.

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Glad you think so since I was feeling that way Also glad to have some west coasters up still

Haha, I'm actually trying to get some work done after getting my kids put down for the night. But pop onto the forum every once and a while.

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SOWK, I can still bring over the LG10k if you want. It will drive the 215 to their limits. I don't have it running yet in my theater so it is no problem.
Seriously, thank you for the offer.
But I'm afraid of the outcome to my bank account and wife acceptance at the moment.

What I will do in the mean time is keep the submersives and cross them over at 40htz to ease the amp and let the Seatons take over from there.
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Why not get an iNuke DSP 6000 for the 215RT? Only $400. Puts out a bench tested 2k watts at 4ohms per channel. Has flat out awesome DSP that will let you program in the house curve of your choice and even supply dynamic EQ! Seems like for the price to performance and wattage it's a standout option?!!?!?!?!

Are the amps loud? I have to have in room...
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Are the amps loud? I have to have in room...
There seems to be some personal preference on this. I rarely notice mine on, but some guys do think it is loud. My ps3'sfan is definitely louder than my inuke's (3000dsp).
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Why not get an iNuke DSP 6000 for the 215RT? Only $400. Puts out a bench tested 2k watts at 4ohms per channel. Has flat out awesome DSP that will let you program in the house curve of your choice and even supply dynamic EQ! Seems like for the price to performance and wattage it's a standout option?!!?!?!?!
The iNuke DSP series is a nice amp for the price. I got a iNuke DSP 3000 and set it up this past weekend for the L / R T12s. I was running a QSC GX-5 for the L / R so I was already running a pro-amp for them. I switched out the amps and then re-ran Audyssey pro kit to balance everything out. After running Audyssey against the system I custom tuned the L / R sound using the iNuke DSP.

Cons:
Noise - It is about the same as other pro amps.
Noise floor - There is a more pronounced hiss than other amps I have used; QSC, Outlaw, Emotiva. I guess my house's power isn't clean and the iNuke does show this more than others.

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Price - Inexpensive for the power and functionality.
DSP - Really nice interface, quick and easy to use with instant feedback.
Weight - Very light which is great for those with bad backs.

Going along the lines of what Jeff said about boosting the mid-bass I put on a +5 gain DEQ boost from 150 Hz on down capping it at 65 with a HPF and the results were jaw dropping for me. I ran just the L / R speakers and at first thought my subs were on when playing music, I had to get up and confirm that the sub amp was off. The change really brought the JTRs to life and they were producing the mid-bass (and some bass) I always wanted.

After getting the JTRs tweaked I boosted the subs to remove the Audyssey neutering and enjoyed some music and watched a couple of movies with a big smile on my face.
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I have a 120" diagonal 16:9 screen right now, with my front stage that I built that about as big as I could go. But if I went with a 2.35:1 screen I could go with a 120" wide screen. My only concern then would be if my projector would be bright enough for a screen that big. I guess I could just turn it to high mode when watching anything in 2.35:1 and normal mode in 16:9 mode.
I have the 4910 on a 138" 16:9 right now that is pretty darn lossy and it looks incredible. No issues at all

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So do these higher end PJ's auto recognize the format and make the shift for you? So basically a 16:9 image will be smaller by going with a scope screen then. I was planning on doing some gaming and we watch a lot of downloaded shows. We went through all seasons of Game of Thrones, Vikings, Arrow, and my wife has never watched Dexter so we just started season 3. I do plan on getting all of them on blu ray in the future, to re-watch, as they are all downloads now. Those are all 16:9 right? My natural instinct is to go 16:9. But I don't have experience and the 2:35:1 guys love it...

I like your idea with raising up the Submersives which act as speaker stand for L&R Triple 8's. They sit a couple inches below ear level while sitting so going up 6 inches will put the prob like 4 inches above ear level. I wonder if 6 inches will changes bass room response? I am sure not much though.
Yep I agree with the sentiment so far that 16:9 is probably a good bet for you. Gaming is unreal with a huge screen. Just incredible.

As far as raising the subs and getting different response, you might be surprised, but it very well could improve your response vs. hurting it. I would actually lean towards it helping, as you would be getting the sub drivers a little closer to the vertical 1/4 points in the room.

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Lets say I go for the inuke nu6000... What do I need to convert the XLR to speaker cable.
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Seriously, thank you for the offer.
But I'm afraid of the outcome to my bank account and wife acceptance at the moment.

What I will do in the mean time is keep the submersives and cross them over at 40htz to ease the amp and let the Seatons take over from there.
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There's your answer right there. The iNuke 6000 with the fan mod. Add the DSP capability and then you can let the 215RT's off the chain when you want without worry. Also, you can use their LFE capability which is significant. As beast noted above, having the subs up off the floor seems to have a positive effect. With enough power, I'm getting all I need and then some bass from the 215RT's and you need to give it a try ...

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You mean XLR to RCA? http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-Technolog...osa+xlr+to+rca

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I connect my JTR 215RT's to my current amp via speaker cable...

How would I connect the JTR's to the inuke?

The JTR's do not accept XLR or RCA inputs?

I'm missing something here. *Also I never worked with PRO audio gear before, so excuse my ignorance*

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The iNuke DSP series is a nice amp for the price. I got a iNuke DSP 3000 and set it up this past weekend for the L / R T12s. I was running a QSC GX-5 for the L / R so I was already running a pro-amp for them. I switched out the amps and then re-ran Audyssey pro kit to balance everything out. After running Audyssey against the system I custom tuned the L / R sound using the iNuke DSP.

Cons:
Noise - It is about the same as other pro amps.
Noise floor - There is a more pronounced hiss than other amps I have used; QSC, Outlaw, Emotiva. I guess my house's power isn't clean and the iNuke does show this more than others.

Pros:
Price - Inexpensive for the power and functionality.
DSP - Really nice interface, quick and easy to use with instant feedback.
Weight - Very light which is great for those with bad backs.

Going along the lines of what Jeff said about boosting the mid-bass I put on a +5 gain DEQ boost from 150 Hz on down capping it at 65 with a HPF and the results were jaw dropping for me. I ran just the L / R speakers and at first thought my subs were on when playing music, I had to get up and confirm that the sub amp was off. The change really brought the JTRs to life and they were producing the mid-bass (and some bass) I always wanted.

After getting the JTRs tweaked I boosted the subs to remove the Audyssey neutering and enjoyed some music and watched a couple of movies with a big smile on my face.
Very cool. Have it your way by using simple tools that are common place in pro audio, but unusual in the plug and play Audyssey Home Theater world. My eyes were opened and I wish these amps were around when I had my T12's. I would probably still have them as it was the appeal of something "better" rather than any dissatisfaction with the Triple 12's that prompted the "upgrade". ...

Along those lines, I would say the differences between the Triple 12's and the Noesis are relatively small. I am pretty sure that I could not pick one from the other in a DB test. The 215RT's are the best speaker upgrade I have done because of the full range capability. I know bass is a narcotic and appeals to the male instinct for power and the raw forces of nature, but there is a point where you are getting all of the intended information on the disk. By adding to it, you are essentially creating something else which is similar to what Bose does with their frequency neutering of the sound. Over emphasized bass artificially enhances it. It's like talking your wife/girlfriend into implants.

Oh well, I guess I just blew my argument with that last one ...
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I connect my JTR 215RT's to my current amp via speaker cable...

How would I connect the JTR's to the inuke?

The JTR's do not accept XLR or RCA inputs?

I'm missing something here. *Also I never worked with PRO audio gear before, so excuse my ignorance*
You need to put speakon connectors on the amp end of the existing speaker cables. Very cheap to buy and easy to do. Youtube instructions on this simple process abound.

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I connect my JTR 215RT's to my current amp via speaker cable...

How would I connect the JTR's to the inuke?

The JTR's do not accept XLR or RCA inputs?

I'm missing something here. *Also I never worked with PRO audio gear before, so excuse my ignorance*
I will be using XLR>RCA to the AVR and out with Speakon's > banana plugs. It is actually pretty simple. I just bought a handful of speakon's at monoprice for like $2 bucks a piece. I am using an Inuke 3000 dsp to start. I was afraid of overloading my circuit considering I only had room for one 20 amp receptacle for my rack (panel full). However, I have a friend who is a licensed electrician who we forgot about and I called him and he came and put in a new 200 amp panel in last weekend, I got the biggest panel they make. I am going to have him run me 2 more 20 amp dedicated lines to my theater. Got plenty of room for expansion now. Will defiantly be getting some bigger amps now.

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