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post #22081 of 31063 Old 08-14-2014, 01:33 AM
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Your points are very, very, very well taken and well written. I appreciate the response and it's intent immensely.

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Fact is I never thought I would consider a speaker in this price range and it's causing me to do more than my typical impulse buy. You're opening line suggests you're thinking these are simply overpriced retreads, and that is a healthy attitude. But my initial listening impressions have me going, "dude, I'm tellin' you, these might be different...."
All points well taken. They sound like beasts for sure! Your explanation gets me more excited to seek them out for a demo, that's for sure.

Thanks for the thorough response.

Would be very cool to get some measurements of the M2's in the room you are demoing them in!
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I've heard others say the Noesis and S8 are different animals but they're both speakers and the S8 isn't exactly cheap at $1000+. To me a speaker is a speaker, especially at this level. So I guess my outlook on the matter is a little different, which seems to be a common thread with me tonight.

I haven't heard the FTW-21s but they should be fun and I'd expect a very nice sub. You are going to have one of the best systems on the entire island chain. As if I needed any more reason to visit the islands.
Yea, I'm thinking putting each on a sealed enclosure (2.0X2.0X1.58). Should be a little over 6 cu ft per recommended sealed use on IST's website. And putting them on the side of each 215's. Then pickup another inuke 6 dsp to run them. I'm kind of excited to get on this. Problem is I gotta my friend to order them for me. Well because of the wifey situation. Can't let her see I spent 1400$ on subwoofer drivers.Lol.. And if she ask where I got them, I tell her I got for dirt cheap from a friend..lol.. Can't wait to do it. My kids music lessons and other classes will soon be on the week days. So I'll get my Sat. Sun off. As soon as I'm done with my JTR setup then I'm ordering these drivers..
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Yea, I'm thinking putting each on a sealed enclosure (2.0X2.0X1.58). Should be a little over 6 cu ft per recommended sealed use on IST's website. And putting them on the side of each 215's. Then pickup another inuke 6 dsp to run them. I'm kind of excited to get on this. Problem is I gotta my friend to order them for me. Well because of the wifey situation. Can't let her see I spent 1400$ on subwoofer drivers.Lol.. And if she ask where I got them, I tell her I got for dirt cheap from a friend..lol.. Can't wait to do it. My kids music lessons and other classes will soon be on the week days. So I'll get my Sat. Sun off. As soon as I'm done with my JTR setup then I'm ordering these drivers..
Thats why I love this country and this forum!!!! You bought half of Jeff's warehouse in JTR speakers in the last 12 months but then have to dodge the wifey for the last couple of small items. Most of us are always looking for the next amp to try, the next sub, the next format such as Atmos, it never ends but sure is fun journey.

Last year when I upgraded from the T12s to the 212s my wife said you are buying the exact same looking speaker but its going to cost additional money. I said shut your pie hole ( not really). Told her my hobby was relatively cheap compared to her Pottery Barn addiction and she just said I was right and walked away.
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All points well taken. They sound like beasts for sure! Your explanation gets me more excited to seek them out for a demo, that's for sure.

Thanks for the thorough response.

Would be very cool to get some measurements of the M2's in the room you are demoing them in!
I can't think of a single reason NOT to get measurements.
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First, I'll agree that your subs are not going to keep up with any of the JTRs. To save money, you might want to look at some DIY subs for bass.

Regarding the JTR speaker recommendations, I PERSONALLY can only recommend the JTR 215s, either RM or RT, as I feel all of the others are lacking in the midbass (haven't heard 228). Now if you plan to add Mid Bass Modules (MBMs), then any of the JTRs would work. I really do like the upper range of the 212, even more than the 215, but both are very good and articulate. Coach and I have A/B'd the 212 against the 215 and even though they have the same coaxial compression driver, the 215 is voiced a little different, a little more laid back than the 212. I find the midrange on the 212 and 215 to be about the same, which means very good. My favorite THEATER speaker in the JTR lineup is the 215RM, simply an amazing speaker but it is LARGE. 215RT is not large, its a refrigerator. Again, these are my OPINIONs.
The JTR speakers are voiced flat which is Jeff's preference but it is counter to what most people find appealing. To counter this you just need to boost the mid-bass up with an EQ to get the sound you want. The speakers are more than capable enough to take the boost you give them and no suffer and ill consequences. Now the only thing that boosting cannot do is overcome room issues. The only way to overcome these are to either move the speaker placement or modify the room. You mentioned a 100Hz hole which you couldn't EQ out which would be due to a room / speaker placement issue. http://peavey.com/support/technotes/...ncellation.cfm

I have had my T12s for a couple years now and recently EQ'd them which made the mid-bass and even bass from them really stand out. The bass was enough to where I thought the subs kicked on in addition to the L / R speakers.

Added in Edit: You mentioned that the speakers had the same FR in two rooms. If this is the case I would say possibly a faulty speaker. One sure fire way to test, but a pain, would be to test the FR out in an open field.

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There was talk early on about it and I cannot speak for everybody, but I think most of the regulars agreed that until there is content and a proven source to drive it, there really not much to talk about. I was reading about the new Atmos units in the Crutchfield catalog and some of units say firmware upgrade? I know I am not laying down the cash for hopes of a firmware upgrade. Most of these early AVR's seem to be geared towards basic set ups for the top firing speakers and I can almost bet that nobody in this forum will have top firing speakers. I know Film Mixer commented on one of my post and he said that he has heard the top firing speakers and it sounds good. I don't know what sounds good to him, but I am still having a hard time beliving that a speaker firing atop a floor stander will give incredible ceiling effect. Unless they are mounted on a 215, I just don't see it. As I said I will not knock it till I try it. I guess what I am getting at is I am looking at more pro versions of Atmos which I believe is still a year or more away.
They should not be placed higher than half wall height according to Dolby :

"For the best sound, place your speakers at or slightly above the height of your ears when
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215's are not small from what I can see.

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Unless the speaker is broken it is certainly the room. My 212HT L&R measured at the MLP with no subs and no eq give a huge increase starting at 150hz. The center has a dip around 80 but the huge jump in midbass (I hate that non descript term) from 150hz down to about 90hz for all three. I almost have to laugh when I keep reading about this midbass issue for the 212. In pure output down to 80 hz the 212HT has more than the 215! Lower than that yes the 215 takes over. If matched with subs designed to cross between 80-100hz I don't see the issue. No matter how we define midbass I think we would agree it is in the modal region, so Archea is likely correct about the room.


In my system the output from 20hz-150hz is over 130dB at the MLP which is 13 ft from the LCR's!.


Here is the L&R 212HT no subs no eq. The the last FR is with the OS's integrated and turned down for movie (more flat). Every room will be different.
Agree.
Very likely 1/4 wavelength destructive interference from the front wall.
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The JTR speakers are voiced flat which is Jeff's preference but it is counter to what most people find appealing. To counter this you just need to boost the mid-bass up with an EQ to get the sound you want. The speakers are more than capable enough to take the boost you give them and no suffer and ill consequences. Now the only thing that boosting cannot do is overcome room issues. The only way to overcome these are to either move the speaker placement or modify the room. You mentioned a 100Hz hole which you couldn't EQ out which would be due to a room / speaker placement issue. http://peavey.com/support/technotes/...ncellation.cfm

I have had my T12s for a couple years now and recently EQ'd them which made the mid-bass and even bass from them really stand out. The bass was enough to where I thought the subs kicked on in addition to the L / R speakers.

Added in Edit: You mentioned that the speakers had the same FR in two rooms. If this is the case I would say possibly a faulty speaker. One sure fire way to test, but a pain, would be to test the FR out in an open field.
OK. I don't want to say too much more until I have some measurements to back up what I am saying. I am not trying to be negative on JTR speakers but when I read so much positive of the S8, I want to ensure people reading have another perspective, which is that I don't care for it as a "speaker" as much as the other JTR offerings. Not that it isn't worth $1000 but it isn't something I recommend to anyone for LCR duty, UNLESS THEY GET TO HEAR IT FOR THEMSELVES FIRST.

So here are some facts and I'll even throw in a measurement. I'll take more measurements and share later this weekend to backup what my ears are telling me.
  • FACT: The S8s do not sound similar to the Noesis. I'll post a graph this weekend showing that.
  • OPINION: I am not a huge fan of the S8s for main duty. But for surrounds, they are staying in my room and will likely get more if I ever go the Atmos route in the future.
  • FACT: THIS SURPRISED ME. The 212 uses the same coax compression driver as the 215 but the upper range sounds different. The horn construction itself is different but the coax compression driver is the same. Carp noted a different sonic signature between his 215s and 212 center. Take a look at the measurement below from the center of Coach's room. (Measurement coming in next post as I have to restart my computer as REW isn't loading correctly.)
  • OPINION: Out of the box I like the upper range of the 212 much better than the 215. The 215 didn't sound that good to me (somewhat veiled) until it was professionally calibrated, then it became special. The 212s sounded really good to me right out of the box and better with EQing. I gave a rough first EQ of Coach's room so I heard all 3 of his front 215RT/RM and what I heard wasn't room placement or a single speaker issue.
  • FACT: The 215 and Cat12s have very strong midbass and I know they can overcome room issues.
  • OPINION: The 212s don't have enough midbass to overcome major room nodes like I might be experiencing. I have more options such as adding amplification but they are already powered by 225w on an outboard amp. I can also bring up my front LMS-5400s to cover up to 140-150 Hz. I have more I can do but I don't have time to futz with my speakers right now and really wish I didn't have to.
  • OPINION: I find it interesting dlbeck included midbass modules with his 212s from the beginning. He likely wouldn't have needed those with the 215RM or Cat12s.

I like your idea of testing my 212s in an open field. I might do that so I can truly figure out what is going on an show everyone what I am hearing.
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All points well taken. They sound like beasts for sure! Your explanation gets me more excited to seek them out for a demo, that's for sure.

Thanks for the thorough response.

Would be very cool to get some measurements of the M2's in the room you are demoing them in!
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I can't think of a single reason NOT to get measurements.
Take your rig!!!! That is exactly what I want to see. I am sure they wouldn't mind too. Sounds like a really "live" room and perhaps that is exactly what you prefer, some people do! I like dead as a door nail, but that is just another part of preference land.

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Here is my initial, pre-DSP measurements of the 212HT-LP, Cat12, and 215RM at the front center of Coach's room.

NOTE: I have a feeling there was a crossover in the signal chain on the 212 that caused it to drop like that but couldn't find it in the time allotted at Coach's.




And here are some old measurements I took of my sealed 212s in my room. You can see that there is a big drop in midbass on the left and right. Sorry my room is my room; there isn't much I can do but make my speakers work in the room, I don't have the luxury of trying them in multiple positions or pulling them more than 6" out from the wall. Like I said, I can work on them more but don't really have time right now.

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[*]FACT: The 215 and Cat12s have very strong midbass and I know they can overcome room issues.
More output doesn't overcome room issues.
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[*]OPINION: I find it interesting dlbeck included midbass modules with his 212s from the beginning. He likely wouldn't have needed those with the 215RM or Cat12s.
There were several original purposes for the midbass modules (which are really subs that extend down to 10 Hz): overcome room issues, provide fullrange channel capability, and match subwoofer headroom to speaker headroom. The crossover used at dlbeck's open house was 80 Hz and is still being used as far as I know. Nobody complained about a lack of midbass.
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ok so crossover maybe on the lp, but the other two were full range in this measurement? That looks impossible to me.

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How does everyone define midbass here? I hope it's the same range for all but what is it? It seems to me that the room has an impact on this range because if I look at the 2 sets of graphs (and I hope I'm reading correctly) the 212LP's start to drop off at 2 different points in Coach's room vs Dgage's....am I reading the graphs correctly? In Coach's room it seems the 212 starts to drop at slightly above 100 but in Dgage's room it looks like there's an increase 100. But there is a significant drop at 200 for Dgage's FR that doesn't exist for the other 2....that has to be room related.


If I am reading these charts and the room has an impact on mid bass....how can adding a MBM help?




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Here is my initial, pre-DSP measurements of the 212HT-LP, Cat12, and 215RM at the front center of Coach's room.

NOTE: I have a feeling there was a crossover in the signal chain on the 212 that caused it to drop like that but couldn't find it in the time allotted at Coach's.




And here are some old measurements I took of my sealed 212s in my room. You can see that there is a big drop in midbass on the left and right. Sorry my room is my room; there isn't much I can do but make my speakers work in the room, I don't have the luxury of trying them in multiple positions or pulling them more than 6" out from the wall. Like I said, I can work on them more but don't really have time right now.


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They should not be placed higher than half wall height according to Dolby :

"For the best sound, place your speakers at or slightly above the height of your ears when
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215's are not small from what I can see.
I was just joking there as top mounted speakers on top of the 215's would basically be on the ceiling.

IMO if you going to do Atoms, then the best way is to do it right. So far it just seems a little gimmicky to me. Certainly this is all just skepticism by me, I have never heard it so really I cannot form an opinion till them. I just don't understand how you mount speakers on top of your mains which will be in the front of the room and now you magically have ceiling surround I would think to have it sound right would be to mount ceiling speakers or in wall ceiling speakers to get the real effect. Just writing this is making me think how expensive this will be and with my upgradititus, I am trying to pretend it will not exist.
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I was just joking there as top mounted speakers on top of the 215's would basically be on the ceiling.

IMO if you going to do Atoms, then the best way is to do it right. So far it just seems a little gimmicky to me. Certainly this is all just skepticism by me, I have never heard it so really I cannot form an opinion till them. I just don't understand how you mount speakers on top of your mains which will be in the front of the room and now you magically have ceiling surround I would think to have it sound right would be to mount ceiling speakers or in wall ceiling speakers to get the real effect. Just writing this is making me think how expensive this will be and with my upgradititus, I am trying to pretend it will not exist.
While I am far from an Atmos expert, I think the concept is that the front speakers that are "atmos" fire up put also into the room (so not straight up at the ceiling but at an angle so it aligns with perhaps halfway point between the front speaker and seating position...maybe something like 45 degrees up).
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How does everyone define midbass here? I hope it's the same range for all but what is it? It seems to me that the room has an impact on this range because if I look at the 2 sets of graphs (and I hope I'm reading correctly) the 212LP's start to drop off at 2 different points in Coach's room vs Dgage's....am I reading the graphs correctly? In Coach's room it seems the 212 starts to drop at slightly above 100 but in Dgage's room it looks like there's an increase 100. But there is a significant drop at 200 for Dgage's FR that doesn't exist for the other 2....that has to be room related.


If I am reading these charts and the room has an impact on mid bass....how can adding a MBM help?
the mbm's can have a huge impact especially if location with the drivers is a contributing factor which it almost always is. However if the room mode is severe enough and you don't overcome that with placment or bass trapping or delay then no amount of power and driver displacement will solve the probelm. If the the wave is being perfectly cancelled out by itself, a higher amplitude wave will still cancel itself. In truth they are not ususally perfectly cancelled out so output can help. But let's fix the real time domain problem.

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You got it right. The top speakers utilize the ceiling reflection to make them appear as they are coming from above, but IMO, this would seemingly cause all kinds of timing issues. Guess it is really too early to tell.

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My guess is that most of the benefits come from making the ceiling an active
part of the room/room acoustics.
Direct sound from ceiling speakers or directed reflections from Atmos capable speakers will dominate the normal ceiling reflections.
Ceiling reflections are perceived mostly in an amplitude sense.

Human hearing is not that capable sensing direction in the vertical plane, unless
one is in horizontal position.
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While I am far from an Atmos expert, I think the concept is that the front speakers that are "atoms" fire up put also into the room (so not straight up at the ceiling but at an angle so it aligns with perhaps halfway point between the front speaker and seating position…maybe something like 45 degrees up).
I am no expert on the subject either, I have stated every time I have made a statement that it is all a guess to me. But from what I am reading is that top firing speakers are for the people that are not going to do ceiling speakers. For the dedicated enthusiast, most will do something like a 7.2.4 or guys around here 7.8.4 there is also 9.2.2 or 12.4.4. I mean any variation can work. Now for those not using ceiling speakers and sticking with the 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound and want Atmos effect with out tearing up the house, top firing speakers will come into play. Correct me if I am wrong, but this is what I have been reading and it has not been much. There is a Dolby Atmos white paper thread floating around AVS somewhere that Scott Wilkinson posted if anyone has not seen it yet.

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I am looking at switching routes slightly and going from stands for my Noesis 228HT to placing them on top of my subs. Any suggestions on the best thing to use to isolate them so there isn't undesired movement/scratching?

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I have my 228s on top of my Submersives. I am sure it is not ideal but you do what you have to.
My subs are sealed with dual opposing drives so they don't vibrate at all. I just use small stick on felt pads to reduce any marking on the finish. If you have single driver subs they probably really shake at times.
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Can the experts here comment on which would be a better system; Dedicated room for movies and music, don't have any soundproofing. I believe price range is pretty much the same for both brands for the speakers mentioned below.

LCR: JTR 228HT or Procella P6

Surrounds: JTR Slanted 8HT or Procella P5

Subs: Two (should not be more than $3500 for both), haven't decided on the brand.

Are they both good or is one clearly a winner over the other? My budget doesn't allow me to go any higher on either brand. Thoughts on who is the clear winner. Thx
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Can the experts here comment on which would be a better system; Dedicated room for movies and music, don't have any soundproofing. I believe price range is pretty much the same for both brands for the speakers mentioned below.

LCR: JTR 228HT or Procella P6

Surrounds: JTR Slanted 8HT or Procella P5

Subs: Two (should not be more than $3500 for both), haven't decided on the brand.

Are they both good or is one clearly a winner over the other? My budget doesn't allow me to go any higher on either brand. Thoughts on who is the clear winner. Thx
I remember we talked awhile ago in the dedicated theater thread and I would certainly suggest the 228's all day over the procellas. Not to mention that the 228's are very efficient and won't take more than a good AVR to power them. The same with the slanted 8's as I have 4 of them and love em. Not to mention that you will get a better buy from the JTR's. The 228's are an excellent HT speaker.
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I remember we talked awhile ago in the dedicated theater thread and I would certainly suggest the 228's all day over the procellas. Not to mention that the 228's are very efficient and won't take more than a good AVR to power them. The same with the slanted 8's as I have 4 of them and love em. Not to mention that you will get a better buy from the JTR's. The 228's are an excellent HT speaker.
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I remember we talked awhile ago in the dedicated theater thread and I would certainly suggest the 228's all day over the procellas. Not to mention that the 228's are very efficient and won't take more than a good AVR to power them. The same with the slanted 8's as I have 4 of them and love em. Not to mention that you will get a better buy from the JTR's. The 228's are an excellent HT speaker.
Thanks Reefdvr27 and jbrown15.

I understand that this is a JTR enthusiast thread and ppl love their JTR's. I would like to understand what parameters make JTR better than Procella (228 and 8HT VS P5/P6). I was sold on JTR's till someone told me Procella is much better...so trying to make sense of it.

Thanks as always.
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I remember we talked awhile ago in the dedicated theater thread and I would certainly suggest the 228's all day over the procellas. Not to mention that the 228's are very efficient and won't take more than a good AVR to power them. The same with the slanted 8's as I have 4 of them and love em. Not to mention that you will get a better buy from the JTR's. The 228's are an excellent HT speaker.
+2, and for the subs, if you want to stay all JTR you'd be hard pressed to find a better pair than a set of Passive Caps.. If you're willing to budge just a few hundred to include a "cheap" pro amp. Good luck finding something else that will keep up with those 228's for the price!
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Thanks Reefdvr27 and jbrown15.

I understand that this is a JTR enthusiast thread and ppl love their JTR's. I would like to understand what parameters make JTR better than Procella (228 and 8HT VS P5/P6). I was sold on JTR's till someone told me Procella is much better...so trying to make sense of it.

Thanks as always.

Hopefully Archaea will weigh as I believe he's heard some of the Procella speakers so he has first hand experience with them.
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Hopefully Archaea will weigh as I believe he's heard some of the Procella speakers so he has first hand experience with them.
Thanks jbrown15. will wait for Archea to respond and send him PM also to remind.

One question for you. I see that you have QS8 surrounds; any reason you didn't go for Slanted 8HT's from JTR? Same on the sub.
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Thanks jbrown15. will wait for Archea to respond and send him PM also to remind.

One question for you. I see that you have QS8 surrounds; any reason you didn't go for Slanted 8HT's from JTR? Same on the sub.

Yeah, because my wife would kill me if I spent 4 grand on surround speakers!....lol
If you take a look at my build thread for my subs it'll give you a idea of what I built. It only cost me 3 grand to build my entire sub setup and I have the equivalent output of 5 Cap 2400 subs. Buying 5 Cap 2400's would cost almost 10 grand.
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Yeah, because my wife would kill me if I spent 4 grand on surround speakers!....lol
If you take a look at my build thread for my subs it'll give you a idea of what I built. It only cost me 3 grand to build my entire sub setup and I have the equivalent output of 5 Cap 2400 subs. Buying 5 Cap 2400's would cost almost 10 grand.
You have a great sub build. I think it should inspire many. A wall of bass!!

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