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You have a great sub build. I think it should inspire many. A wall of bass!!
Wow, thank you for the compliment! Yeah I'm extremely happy with how things turned out.
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Yeah, because my wife would kill me if I spent 4 grand on surround speakers!....lol
If you take a look at my build thread for my subs it'll give you a idea of what I built. It only cost me 3 grand to build my entire sub setup and I have the equivalent output of 5 Cap 2400 subs. Buying 5 Cap 2400's would cost almost 10 grand.
My wife is planning on killing me too after I told her that speakers cost 10K (and I wasn't even planning on a second sub). She said everyone buys Bose from costco and they are so happy , so why do you need 10K speakers...lol

I could DIY on the subs to save money but I'm worried if I will just spend money for not so good output. If Subs are that easy to make why do people spend 3K to buy just one
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Wow, thank you for the compliment! Yeah I'm extremely happy with how things turned out.
you are very welcome, it looks great and must sound incredible. For what ever its worth I have 3 OS's and love them, but your set up still makes me think... how about 4 to 8 of those puppies in my room? Great stuff, the only problem with this thread is more of us are not closer geographically.
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My wife is planning on killing me too after I told her that speakers cost 10K (and I wasn't even planning on a second sub). She said everyone buys Bose from costco and they are so happy , so why do you need 10K speakers...lol

I could DIY on the subs to save money but I'm worried if I will just spend money for not so good output. If Subs are that easy to make why do people spend 3K to buy just one
Everybody is happy with Bose till they hear a full JTR set up. You should see if there is anybody near by that would be willing to give you a demo.
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Thanks Reefdvr27 and jbrown15.

I understand that this is a JTR enthusiast thread and ppl love their JTR's. I would like to understand what parameters make JTR better than Procella (228 and 8HT VS P5/P6). I was sold on JTR's till someone told me Procella is much better...so trying to make sense of it.

Thanks as always.
I've heard the P8's in a 7 x p8 with the 10 in subs on the bottom of the front 3, at least I think they were 10's, the owner was explaining it to me but I was too busy checking everything out lol. They sounded great. It was a theater build for a friend of my wife.

I can't say I was wowed at any point though. I know he had it calibrated by a pro, as they built the room etc. Keep in mind I have no idea what any settings were as he didn't know either.
I left the room thinking it was nice to see someone with a nice setup but thats as far as it went. It was clear and no sign of any distortion.

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My wife is planning on killing me too after I told her that speakers cost 10K (and I wasn't even planning on a second sub). She said everyone buys Bose from costco and they are so happy , so why do you need 10K speakers...lol

I could DIY on the subs to save money but I'm worried if I will just spend money for not so good output. If Subs are that easy to make why do people spend 3K to buy just one
Some people just can't be bothered to build their own subs. If you go into the subwoofer forum section and take a look at the ULF score thread you'll notice one common theme. Most of the forum members that have just insane amounts of bass level usually go DIY route.


If you're willing to build your own subs you'll always have way better bass output to dollar ratio. Like I say one Cap 2400 from JTR costs $2599 plus shipping. I spent $1460 on four UXL-18 drivers, $800 for two inuke 6000DSP amp's maybe $100 on XLR to RCA cables speakon cables and some speaker connector plates, and about $500-$600 for wood, glue, screws and brad nails.


So for a little more then the cost of a single Cap 2400 I was able to build four subs with the same output of five Cap 2400's, kind of hard to argue with that if you're willing to do the work and are confident enough in yourself to learn a little and build them.
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Everybody is happy with Bose till they hear a full JTR set up. You should see if there is anybody near by that would be willing to give you a demo.
I sold many a Bose system in the late 90's/early 2000's when I was with Circuit City.

The margins in that were insane. I remember the most expensive Lifestyle system we sold was $2999 and our employee cost, direct from Bose, was only $999 with shipping. Still wasn't cheap enough for me buy.

I did take full advantage of the Polk direct programs. My first serious, non HTIB, surround system was the Polk 5000 system.... That is what started it all.
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I could DIY on the subs to save money but I'm worried if I will just spend money for not so good output. If Subs are that easy to make why do people spend 3K to buy just one
The simple answer is they are chicken to try something new lol. Store/ID subs are bound by a few things. Size/weight/price. DIY'ers don't have those restrictions. We don't have to ship anything, make unique designs that fit into what were are doing and can use the highest possible quality of drivers/materials possible.

And I'm extra lucky in that I have a world class sub designer/builder 15 mins away from my house!

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you are very welcome, it looks great and must sound incredible. For what ever its worth I have 3 OS's and love them, but your set up still makes me think... how about 4 to 8 of those puppies in my room? Great stuff, the only problem with this thread is more of us are not closer geographically.

Before I actually decided to go DIY and build my subs I was VERY close to buying a OS LFU, and was actually ready to drop the cash on one even though it would have cost me close to 4 grand after exchange rate because I'm in Canada, shipping and taxes. But the more I read about building my own subs and talking with a few forum members, the more I realize that was the route for me.


If you built eight subs like mine; that would literally be insane. Four up front and four out back would be outright scary
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I sold many a Bose system in the late 90's/early 2000's when I was with Circuit City.

The margins in that were insane. I remember the most expensive Lifestyle system we sold was $2999 and our employee cost, direct from Bose, was only $999 with shipping. Still wasn't cheap enough for me buy.

I did take full advantage of the Polk direct programs. My first serious, non HTIB, surround system was the Polk 5000 system.... That is what started it all.
Is Circuit City still around. In my region Best Buy put them to rest.

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Circuit City went out of business several years ago and Best Buy isn't far behind.
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I left in 2001 right after they completely changed their compensation plans....which ultimately the end for them.

Pretty sure they went out of business several years ago.....
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Before I actually decided to go DIY and build my subs I was VERY close to buying a OS LFU, and was actually ready to drop the cash on one even though it would have cost me close to 4 grand after exchange rate because I'm in Canada, shipping and taxes. But the more I read about building my own subs and talking with a few forum members, the more I realize that was the route for me.


If you built eight subs like mine; that would literally be insane. Four up front and four out back would be outright scary
Can a house made of studs and drywall handle 8 subs on the second floor? When my kid runs on the second floor I can hear them. What kind of damage can 8 subs with that kind of power do?
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Thanks jbrown15. will wait for Archea to respond and send him PM also to remind.

One question for you. I see that you have QS8 surrounds; any reason you didn't go for Slanted 8HT's from JTR? Same on the sub.
Smuggy - you could PM RandyBessinger who owns Procellas and has also heard JTR speakers many times.
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Can't wait to build mines too. Gonna have my weekends back. So 2 or maybe 4 sealed FTW 21's up front next to the 215's would be stellar. While the 4 S2's take the sidelines and the rears...


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Before I actually decided to go DIY and build my subs I was VERY close to buying a OS LFU, and was actually ready to drop the cash on one even though it would have cost me close to 4 grand after exchange rate because I'm in Canada, shipping and taxes. But the more I read about building my own subs and talking with a few forum members, the more I realize that was the route for me.


If you built eight subs like mine; that would literally be insane. Four up front and four out back would be outright scary
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^ Rhed, you are really getting out of control. Keep it up!

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Before I actually decided to go DIY and build my subs I was VERY close to buying a OS LFU, and was actually ready to drop the cash on one even though it would have cost me close to 4 grand after exchange rate because I'm in Canada, shipping and taxes. But the more I read about building my own subs and talking with a few forum members, the more I realize that was the route for me.


If you built eight subs like mine; that would literally be insane. Four up front and four out back would be outright scary
Forums like these keep you hooked. Building a sub was never my plan but I've been reading the DIY Sub thread for the last 2 hours.

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/review/...8/category/64/

Can we just buy the ready made Sub box from the link above, paint it, get the UXL-18 driver, amp, wires etc and be done...It seems doable but I need to do more reading. So, from speakers forum I'd be moving to the DIY subforum..lol

jbrown15: do you have a thread or detailed instructions on how you built your Subs? Thx
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My brother who's a carpenter finisher for 10 years. Now a foreman at his job. I showed em some pictures of sub cabs with all the bracing on them. One word out of em.. " shh, Easy!". When are we gonna start? Lol...

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^ Rhed I don't know what is going to be more epic when I come to Hawaii, 30ft waves on the North Shore in Feb or the epic bass waves emanating from your house!!

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Forums like these keep you hooked. Building a sub was never my plan but I've been reading the DIY Sub thread for the last 2 hours.

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/review/...8/category/64/

Can we just buy the ready made Sub box from the link above, paint it, get the UXL-18 driver, amp, wires etc and be done...It seems doable but I need to do more reading. So, from speakers forum I'd be moving to the DIY subforum..lol

jbrown15: do you have a thread or detailed instructions on how you built your Subs? Thx
Here's my build thread. LTD-M18 Sub Build

I don't know what your room is like but if you have a false wall/AT screen setup like mine to hide the subs you can get pretty crazy with with multiple subs.

Send me a pm if you have any questions.
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Here's my build thread. LTD-M18 Sub Build

I don't know what your room is like but if you have a false wall/AT screen setup like mine to hide the subs you can get pretty crazy with with multiple subs.

Send me a pm if you have any questions.
Yes, planning for a baffle wall with a Seymour AT screen. Sony PJ. The bigger issue is wife doesn't agree with 10-12K on speakers so I need to work that out. If I can save money on subs and clear out the JTR vs Procella conundrum, that would help. I'm clear on the PJ, screen etc.

Will JTR be at cedia?
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I don't think you'll find JTR speakers at cedia, where are you located? I think you're best bet to hear some JTR's is right hear, find someone close to you and see if they'll let you have a listen.

I have to say if you're mostly going to use the speakers for movies and tv the 228HT's are one of the best bang for buck speakers on the market. They can easily hang with some pretty expensive speakers.
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^ Rhed I don't know what is going to be more epic when I come to Hawaii, 30ft waves on the North Shore in Feb or the epic bass waves emanating from your house!!
Ib.. The waves here is just a sight to behold when it's up 20+. Only gets that big on our winter time.. Lol.. Yea, right. I laugh at our winter because it's still 80-83 degrees and sunny in our winter here.. Lol..
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The JTR speakers are voiced flat which is Jeff's preference but it is counter to what most people find appealing. To counter this you just need to boost the mid-bass up with an EQ to get the sound you want. The speakers are more than capable enough to take the boost you give them and no suffer and ill consequences. Now the only thing that boosting cannot do is overcome room issues. The only way to overcome these are to either move the speaker placement or modify the room. You mentioned a 100Hz hole which you couldn't EQ out which would be due to a room / speaker placement issue. http://peavey.com/support/technotes/...ncellation.cfm

I have had my T12s for a couple years now and recently EQ'd them which made the mid-bass and even bass from them really stand out. The bass was enough to where I thought the subs kicked on in addition to the L / R speakers.

Added in Edit: You mentioned that the speakers had the same FR in two rooms. If this is the case I would say possibly a faulty speaker. One sure fire way to test, but a pain, would be to test the FR out in an open field.
Can you upload your FR response? Would love to see before and after

If I am reading these charts and the room has an impact on mid bass....how can adding a MBM help?[/QUOTE]

Different driver location can not have a dip at that FR. Why most say subs usually don't measure best where main speakers are. But each room is different.

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I have my 228s on top of my Submersives. I am sure it is not ideal but you do what you have to.
My subs are sealed with dual opposing drives so they don't vibrate at all. I just use small stick on felt pads to reduce any marking on the finish. If you have single driver subs they probably really shake at times.
I have Triple 8's LP's on top of my two submersives flanked at the LR positions. Felt pads is all and they never move an inch

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Everybody is happy with Bose till they hear a full JTR set up. You should see if there is anybody near by that would be willing to give you a demo.
Papalock, don't you have a youtube vid of your epic bose subwoofer moving air?

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Rhed is actually causing the waves 4-21's with quad Cap S2's? Straight N8 status...almost...
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Ib.. The waves here is just a sight to behold when it's up 20+. Only gets that big on our winter time.. Lol.. Yea, right. I laugh at our winter because it's still 80-83 degrees and sunny in our winter here.. Lol..

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Can you upload your FR response? Would love to see before and after

If I am reading these charts and the room has an impact on mid bass....how can adding a MBM help?
Different driver location can not have a dip at that FR. Why most say subs usually don't measure best where main speakers are. But each room is different.





I have Triple 8's LP's on top of my two submersives flanked at the LR positions. Felt pads is all and they never move an inch


Papalock, don't you have a youtube vid of your epic bose subwoofer moving air?





Rhed is actually causing the waves 4-21's with quad Cap S2's? Straight N8 status...almost...[/QUOTE]

That's funny bro! Btw, I'm going on a fishing trip over to south point at the Big island soon. For some ulua fishing. I figured you know where that is since you were in the Big island before. Can't hardly wait. Haven't cast my poles and conventionals for a long time..
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I don't think so, but JTR will be in Denver the next month at Rocky Mountain Audio Fest. October 9-11
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rhed....do you have your 215's set-up and running yet? Would like to hear your impressions. Did you get 3 215RT's or did you get a 215RM for center? Pictures are good to.

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Can't wait to build mines too. Gonna have my weekends back. So 2 or maybe 4 sealed FTW 21's up front next to the 215's would be stellar. While the 4 S2's take the sidelines and the rears...
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Can the experts here comment on which would be a better system; Dedicated room for movies and music, don't have any soundproofing. I believe price range is pretty much the same for both brands for the speakers mentioned below.

LCR: JTR 228HT or Procella P6

Surrounds: JTR Slanted 8HT or Procella P5

Subs: Two (should not be more than $3500 for both), haven't decided on the brand.

Are they both good or is one clearly a winner over the other? My budget doesn't allow me to go any higher on either brand. Thoughts on who is the clear winner. Thx
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I have heard the 212 and the P8 in my own room a few months ago. They were randy bessingers p8's. Carp was there along with stitch1 but archaea did not make it.

My room is well treated. We used my denon 4311 and left calibration off. We listened to music and movie clips. Everyone there preferred the 212 by quite a bit. We were initially going to do the test blind. It ended up that it was not necessary bc it was just that obvious. The speakers actually have some similarities in that they both sound like compression drivers. Good ones. But the biggest difference for me was the soundstage. The 212 is a bigger speaker and it gives you a bigger sound. Much much bigger. There is also greater detail and clarity at high volumes.

I should mention that one of the p8 had a problem so we only had it at reference one time and then backed off. Randy has his p8 crossed over high to his p10 subs so his system no doubt has more mid bass than what we were hearing in my room.

I have heArd the 228 and while it did not have as large of a soundstage and it it not as good for music I still feel it is a phenomenal movie speaker.
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