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Contributing toward a more on-topic discussion:

Obviously opinions vary, but based on lots of real world measurement and setup of different systems, if I planned a sub system I would only mix ported and sealed...
  1. If the ported sub was monstrous enough to really add more to the bottom end than can be achieved within the space and budget constraints than with multiple sealed subs.
  2. If you know the large ported box will be in a good location to drive the lowest frequencies.
  3. If the sealed subs are mostly intended to smooth and add power to the range above 25-50Hz.
  4. If the ported sub has all the extension on its own you are after.
#1 for me if I go ported. Just gotta figure what drivers and the size of the cab..
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#1 for me if I go ported. Just gotta figure what drivers and the size of the cab..
If they were massive enough, you could just use them to 30-40hz or so and xover your sealed subs above that. Then you wouldn't run into may issues and if you don't feel like playing around with ported and sealed, it's a good option.

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I hate reading this about Danley as I'm nearing upgrading to some most likely. I hope to have better luck I guess lol. I do love my JTRs so guess can never throw out the idea of the 215s.
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like really, just answer a damn email!

You guys talking about Danley or Jeff?.....lol
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Can someone post some graphs of the 215s in or outside of room (both would be great I suppose lol). Or a link would be just as good.

I'm wanting louder speakers but they aren't rated any louder than my tiny 888s. That was surprising to me with the horn plus the vented 15s but guess the coax is still limited to that max spl range?
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You guys talking about Danley or Jeff?.....lol
Lol Or Mark, or SI? Busy businesses can all share some common traits "at times" I guess.

I can say that phone is by far easiest with JTR. Every time have gotten an answer or quick return call.
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I never got one response ever straight from Danley. When I was interested in them at one point, I sent 5 or 6 emails over a 2 week period and never got one reply. I even went on facebook and asked the same questions, again nothing.

It was then I crossed Danley off my list for good. I came close to buying some SH50's a few times, even found a local set that I could have got a great deal on, they sounded awesome but they were too wide for my room and I wanted more full range, so went with the 215's.... plus the fact I could get no type of customer service on 8K worth of speakers.... like really, just answer a damn email!

I've always wanted a set of Cats but don't want self powered speakers. If I was doing a new room build, then maybe but upgrading my existing room into needing 7 more plugs in locations they just cant be in, wasn't gonna work. So it made my choice pretty easy! lol
Same here. I emailed them a couple of times for prices and dealer locations to demo some models and never heard anything.

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I don't know, I guess I got lucky. Within a week of reaching out I had a pair of SH50's in my room to compare with my SM60F's. Can't complain about that.
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Lol Or Mark, or SI? Busy businesses can all share some common traits "at times" I guess.

I can say that phone is by far easiest with JTR. Every time have gotten an answer or quick return call.
X2.. Jeff may not answer emails fast enough. But he does answer phone calls. Here's a tip though, if he doesn't answer the first time, leave a message.. Give some time.. Then call back.. Lol.. But remember your time zone though. Lol..
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I don't know, I guess I got lucky. Within a week of reaching out I had a pair of SH50's in my room to compare with my SM60F's. Can't complain about that.
Did you email them or call them saying.. " hello, my name is Good"DOC"! Key word here.. DOC.. So Doc= doctor= serious $.. Lol
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If they were massive enough, you could just use them to 30-40hz or so and xover your sealed subs above that. Then you wouldn't run into may issues and if you don't feel like playing around with ported and sealed, it's a good option.
You read my mind.. I want stronger 30-60 range. ****! Those of you that know my story, that's why I wanted to go OS in the first place.. But I'm not regretting the 4 S2's. They dig friggin deep. But can't imagine what 4 OS would do..lol
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You read my mind.. I want stronger 30-60 range. ****! Those of you that know my story, that's why I wanted to go OS in the first place.. But I'm not regretting the 4 S2's. They dig friggin deep. But can't imagine what 4 OS would do..lol
If 30 to 60 hz is what you are after then OS pros would do it since they have twice the output above 30-35 hz. Crazy.
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If 30 to 60 hz is what you are after then OS pros would do it since they have twice the output above 30-35 hz. Crazy.
Carp.. I still haven't setup my speakers yet. I'm hoping that with the inukes give some boost in those range. Just gotta find the time to get to them. Been working a lot. Matter of fact, I'm at working right now.. Lol
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Carp.. I still haven't setup my speakers yet. I'm hoping that with the inukes give some boost in those range. Just gotta find the time to get to them. Been working a lot. Matter of fact, I'm at working right now.. Lol
That's a killer, the curiosity would be killing me! It's a catch 22, working a lot brings in more money for toys but then no time to play with said toys!!
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Going to get to hear the 215s and the Seaton Catalysts this weekend. Should be fun as I have never heard either and will get to meet a couple of fellow AVS members. I am currently 110% happy with my 212s but ask me the same question in a week

BTW, sitting here watching Joe Bassamara in Vienna blu ray for the first time. Pretty darn impressed..wish I didn't have it sitting in shrink wrap for the last three months. This one will make the rotation for sure.

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If 30 to 60 hz is what you are after then OS pros would do it since they have twice the output above 30-35 hz. Crazy.

Just got through the JTR's website. Carp.. Those OS pros seem VERY interesting.. What I like about them too is that it's passive. Because no active will work for me anymore. I have only one more dedicated 20 in my next room over where the inukes will be. All of the circuits at my ht area are I'm use from the 4 S2's lol. And the price of the pros are not that bad too. I know Jeff does really good with multi purchase.. Hmmm..
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That's a killer, the curiosity would be killing me! It's a catch 22, working a lot brings in more money for toys but then no time to play with said toys!!
Yea.. That week of my speaker arrival. My boss told me that our job is behind schedule. And that we have to start doing 10 hrs mon-fri. Plus sat. and sometimes Sundays. And most of the OT hours goes to Uncle Sam.. Lol..
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Oh, I watched World War Z last night at 7dB's over reference at 2AM lol.... That grenade scene scared the crap outta me LOL. One thing that always makes me smile is how realistic some sounds are with the JTR's. I had to pause the movie a few times because it sounds like someone was walking around up stairs. There is one scene in the movie when they are all in the kitchen talking about marshal law and the one kid has to go get her inhaler, you can hear here clearly (but quietly) walk upstairs, around up there and walk back down.... it gave me goose bumps as man oh man it sounded like someone was coming down my stairs .... with a few beers and some it made me do a triple take hahahaha

Today is the new 300, LOTR smaug and hopefully something to make me laugh before I go to bed!
Dang! Yea when I am home alone I pause sometimes when I thought I heard something. Then I look at my Daniel Defense AR sitting there and resume play...That grenade scene is just nuts! I think it is pretty hot to 9hz? Haven't seen the graph of that scene in a long time. But when I play it the sounds coming from the house are something like, "I give up!!!" Can't imagine yours compared to my two meager Seaton Submersives
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. Then I look at my Daniel Defense AR sitting there and resume play..

Haha that's awesome!....lol
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Check out these HT chairs. Seriously never seen these before. From 7:05 to about 9:00 minute marks

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Those chairs are sick with the dbox but the video is super annoying.
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Those chairs are sick with the dbox but the video is super annoying.
Yes I know. Usually when working as a team on radio or video review style there is a lead and a support role. Both were trying to lead...But a $500,000 HT? I mean I am sure the JBL synthesis line are unreal but he doesn't even have a baffle wall or AT screen!!! I say Dlbeck's theater has some key features exampled this one should have with a price rage like that. But a 50k screen perhaps is the reason it's not a AT...
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My local theater has Dbox seating, its okay but honestly I'd probably find it somewhat annoying after a while. Would probably be more of a novelty thing.
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Can someone post some graphs of the 215s in or outside of room (both would be great I suppose lol). Or a link would be just as good.
I'll see about getting some measurements of Coach's 215s IN THE ROOM this weekend. If you want OUTSIDE of the room, you and 2 brawny friends will have to come down to East TN to help move them for measurements. You might as well have asked to move one of those heavy front-loading washers up and down the stairs. Those 215RTs are BEASTS.
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My local theater has Dbox seating, its okay but honestly I'd probably find it somewhat annoying after a while. Would probably be more of a novelty thing.
My living room has SpeakerPower/LMS5400 seating. My wife and I think it is SUPER AWESOME. When I first fired them up I told her we could put rubber isolators under the couches if it was shaking too much. She looked at me with an evil look and said don't you dare. And when I added a Linkwitz Transform to extend the deep bass, she was pleased. We're really going to like it when I get a couple HS24s in the room.

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Exactly.. Just answer the dam email for a possible customer.. Or maybe they don't deal with private consumers like us?

And about the Cats.. After hearing them at the Axpona. They are some incredible sounding speakers. I can't imagine how much peeps would jump on a passive version..
Ha... They do installs in stadiums and other large big money venues. What's $8K to them in selling a pair of SH-50's? That said, I still think they should step their game up and try to answer every inquiry that comes their way in a timely fashion. I mean, hire a secretary to take a message and simply remind @Tom Danley , @Mike Hedden , @Ivan Beaver or any of their other tech/sales support to respond...

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Can someone post some graphs of the 215s in or outside of room (both would be great I suppose lol). Or a link would be just as good.

I'm wanting louder speakers but they aren't rated any louder than my tiny 888s. That was surprising to me with the horn plus the vented 15s but guess the coax is still limited to that max spl range?
You want louder speakers than your Tripple 8's? Given your ample subwoofage, why not just spring for the higher sensitivity 212's? They will technically get louder than the 215RT's since you will be crossing them above XX hz.

That's one argument I had against the 215's and people purchasing them when they already had some serious woofage. Besides better pattern control from the larger horn, it appears to be that one would be giving up a few db's to the 212's for the full range capability that the 215RT's bring to the table.

Err go, it's my humble opinion that a 212HT LCR with dual OS subs would out perform the 215RT's when pushed to the ragged edge. How often that will ever happen using either configuration????...Well, I guess that just depends on who is giving the demo.

Of course this opinion is coming from a guy that has never heard the 215RT's, so take that for what it's worth.

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You read my mind.. I want stronger 30-60 range. ****! Those of you that know my story, that's why I wanted to go OS in the first place.. But I'm not regretting the 4 S2's. They dig friggin deep. But can't imagine what 4 OS would do..lol
I'm pretty sure there were several people attempting to steer you to the OS direction from the very beginning for this exact reason. I Might have to dig back through the archives to find it.


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Just got through the JTR's website. Carp.. Those OS pros seem VERY interesting.. What I like about them too is that it's passive. Because no active will work for me anymore. I have only one more dedicated 20 in my next room over where the inukes will be. All of the circuits at my ht area are I'm use from the 4 S2's lol. And the price of the pros are not that bad too. I know Jeff does really good with multi purchase.. Hmmm..
Since you have the hook up with someone willing to cut some wood for you, why not just build a few Othorns? 21" B&C driver in a tapped horn box should outperform the OS pro for just about the same cost if you acount for wood and finishing costs... The fact that @Ricci has called the Othorn his favorite sub speaks volumes about it's capability FWIW.

Would be SO serious!

Something to think about.
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[QUOTE=Frohlich;26652713]Going to get to hear the 215s and the Seaton Catalysts this weekend. Should be fun as I have never heard either and will get to meet a couple of fellow AVS members.


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Yes I know. Usually when working as a team on radio or video review style there is a lead and a support role. Both were trying to lead...But a $500,000 HT? I mean I am sure the JBL synthesis line are unreal but he doesn't even have a baffle wall or AT screen!!! I say Dlbeck's theater has some key features exampled this one should have with a price rage like that. But a 50k screen perhaps is the reason it's not a AT...
I agree. When they were explaining the theater I was thinking that for half a mil I would have gone a completely different direction. I do not know how much Dlbeck's theater costs, but I would take his theater over the one in the video.

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My local theater has Dbox seating, its okay but honestly I'd probably find it somewhat annoying after a while. Would probably be more of a novelty thing.
I think that I would probably get sick of it after a while as well. Who knows though.

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My living room has SpeakerPower/LMS5400 seating. My wife and I think it is SUPER AWESOME. When I first fired them up I told her we could put rubber isolators under the couches if it was shaking too much. She looked at me with an evil look and said don't you dare. And when I added an Linkwitz Transform to extend the deep base, she was pleased. We're really going to like it when I get a couple HS24s in the room.
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