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I was completely happy with my Lane 103's until I seen those chairs That is Disney sh#* right there. The one thing that has me thinking is there an AT screen or is the center behind the screen? I have read that the center only behind the screen is the way to go?

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Going to get to hear the 215s and the Seaton Catalysts this weekend. Should be fun as I have never heard either and will get to meet a couple of fellow AVS members. I am currently 110% happy with my 212s but ask me the same question in a week

BTW, sitting here watching Joe Bassamara in Vienna blu ray for the first time. Pretty darn impressed..wish I didn't have it sitting in shrink wrap for the last three months. This one will make the rotation for sure.
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I was completely happy with my Lane 103's until I seen those chairs That is Disney sh#* right there. The one thing that has me thinking is there an AT screen or is the center behind the screen? I have read that the center only behind the screen is the way to go?

I don't think that's an AT screen. There is a speaker in the center showing in the video. And the L and R positions are room/screen dependent, a smaller screen would have the center only while a wider screen could call for all three to be behind the screen.

The chairs themselves I think are only part of the equation as the mounting deck is what makes them move.
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I don't think that's an AT screen. There is a speaker in the center showing in the video. And the L and R positions are room/screen dependent, a smaller screen would have the center only while a wider screen could call for all three to be behind the screen.

The chairs themselves I think are only part of the equation as the mounting deck is what makes them move.
I went back and watched it again and it does look like the center is below the screen. Pretty interesting that the speakers are timbre matched below fixed screen. I believe that the only disadvantage of an AT screen is the speakers cannot be put out wider like we see in this theater. This is one nice thing about a 2:35:1 aspect ratio fixed. After looking at this I am going to try and get my center as high as I can as I am installing a fixed scope screen, I hope to have the PJ and screen installed by Wednesday.

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I went back and watched it again and it does look like the center is below the screen. Pretty interesting that the speakers are timbre matched below fixed screen. I believe that the only disadvantage of an AT screen is the speakers cannot be put out wider like we see in this theater. This is one nice thing about a 2:35:1 aspect ratio fixed. After looking at this I am going to try and get my center as high as I can as I am installing a fixed scope screen, I hope to have the PJ and screen installed by Wednesday.
The only disadvantages to AT screens are their gain, uniformity, spl loss, and surface texture. The speakers can be eq'd to sound the same as if the screen were not in place in most cases with good AT screens. The L and R placement can be anywhere the room needs them to be as long as the screen frame isn't in the way. They can be outside of the screen or behind the screen. My screen is 13' wide (scope) and all three speakers are behind it. My plans from Dennis E which had a smaller screen being used had the L and R outside of the screen but when I got the Sony 1100 pj which produced enough light for a much wider screen the L and R stayed in their respected locations per Dennis and ended up behind the screen. That was long winded but think made it a little more clear.
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I went back and watched it again and it does look like the center is below the screen. Pretty interesting that the speakers are timbre matched below fixed screen. I believe that the only disadvantage of an AT screen is the speakers cannot be put out wider like we see in this theater. This is one nice thing about a 2:35:1 aspect ratio fixed. After looking at this I am going to try and get my center as high as I can as I am installing a fixed scope screen, I hope to have the PJ and screen installed by Wednesday.

Dave I'm also just about ready to switch from a 120" diagonal 16:9 to a 125" 2.35:1 AT screen. After having awesome results with my Falcon screen I'll be sticking with them and also getting the masking panels to go along with it.
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believe that the only disadvantage of an AT screen is the speakers cannot be put out wider like we see in this theater.
An AT screen doesn't preclude one from putting the mains outside the picture area. However, it does let you go wider with the screen so that your speakers typically are still within the picture area.
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JTR Speakers will be in room 2016 at Rocky Mountain Audio Fest in Denver on October 10-12. Jeff will be bringing the 215RT's, an Orbit Shifter, and a few other speakers


Is anyone interested in a JTR GTG on Friday or Saturday evening?
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My local theater has Dbox seating, its okay but honestly I'd probably find it somewhat annoying after a while. Would probably be more of a novelty thing.
No, D-Box adds to the immersion in the same way large displays and surround sound does. Also, quality home seating with recline adds much more to the experience vs the standard theaters seats.
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Exactly.. Just answer the dam email for a possible customer.. Or maybe they don't deal with private consumers like us?

And about the Cats.. After hearing them at the Axpona. They are some incredible sounding speakers. I can't imagine how much peeps would jump on a passive version..
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I hate reading this about Danley as I'm nearing upgrading to some most likely. I hope to have better luck I guess lol. I do love my JTRs so guess can never throw out the idea of the 215s.
Emailing Danley directly is your first problem. They deal solely through regional representatives. I have had fantastic dialogue with my guy out of Charlotte as well as another gentleman that I believe does sales for the northeastern area. You want answers, price listing, order information, you gotta go through those guys. If you want specs or speaker parameters, just pm Ivan Beaver here. He sometimes takes a little while to get back to you, but he always has IME.
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No, D-Box adds to the immersion in the same way large displays and surround sound does. Also, quality home seating with recline adds much more to the experience vs the standard theaters seats.
I would say D-Box detracts from the immersion. At least in my experience. I found it to be very distracting and took away from the visual experience. It's not terrible if it's very subtle, but still a detriment IMO. If it's not subtle, then it can almost ruin the experience.
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Applause Custom Sight and Sound (It was subtle here) and Audio Innovations (not so subtle here). I'm not sure if the subtlety was due to the setup or specific movie being used.
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On another note, I think I'm considering Noesis 228s for my theater. I'm still not sure if I'll have a baffle wall or not. If not, then I'll most likely go with the Klipsch in-wall TXH line. If I do though, then I have liked what I've heard from the JTRs and the 228's aren't too price and aren't too deep. What would be good surrounds to pair with them (in-walls may be a consideration here). And is there a certain distance they should be from the back of the screen they would be behind?

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They had D-Box seats at a local theater. I experienced them once and didn't like them and neither did anybody else I was with. The theater was bought out last year and removed the seats. I wonder what happened to them?
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JTR Speakers will be in room 2016 at Rocky Mountain Audio Fest in Denver on October 10-12. Jeff will be bringing the 215RT's, an Orbit Shifter, and a few other speakers


Is anyone interested in a JTR GTG on Friday or Saturday evening?
I have been wanting to goto one of these events forever. I am still punching myself in the face for not going to Expona. Depending on what is going on, I would like to take a shot at going. I would be interested if I could make it, but I would have to say that would be a slim to none, but who knows. My wife and I have been looking for a fall getaway, but I am not sure that this is what she had in mind. She wants to go wine touring in Sonoma.

What I want to know is when is there going to be a major consumer audio show in the north east? NY, Philadelphia, Boston, Pittsburg and we will even throw Hartford in the mix. There is really nothing, at least nothing I have heard of.
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On another note, I think I'm considering Noesis 228s for my theater. I'm still not sure if I'll have a baffle wall or not. If not, then I'll most likely go with the Klipsch in-wall TXH line. If I do though, then I have liked what I've heard from the JTRs and the 228's aren't too price and aren't too deep. What would be good surrounds to pair with them (in-walls may be a consideration here). And is there a certain distance they should be from the back of the screen they would be behind?
Screen manufacturers have distance recommendations for the spacing between the speakers and screen material.
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They do and I have my screen laying on top of my speakers with burlap in between and I have no issues at all.

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Screen manufacturers have distance recommendations for the spacing between the speakers and screen material.
Most of the internet direct AT screen companies like Seymour or Falcon screen pretty much have no issues putting the speakers more then a few inches away from the screen. For example my 228's are maybe 3" away from the back of my Falcon screen without any issues.
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They had D-Box seats at a local theater. I experienced them once and didn't like them and neither did anybody else I was with. The theater was bought out last year and removed the seats. I wonder what happened to them?
The seats go back to D-Box. Sounds like the theater had issues.

I really don't care for D-Box in the theater. Your feet don't move and your head is not supported so it goes boobie head. These things are distracting. D-Box at home can be so much more. Often, you actually forget your seats are moving. Those who own it often ask for more intense effects then what is codded. So yes, the effects are very subtle
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Most of the internet direct AT screen companies like Seymour or Falcon screen pretty much have no issues putting the speakers more then a few inches away from the screen. For example my 228's are maybe 3" away from the back of my Falcon screen without any issues.
What is recommended compared to your 3"?
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They do and I have my screen laying on top of my speakers with burlap in between and I have no issues at all.

Huh? Sorry but that post is a tad confusing. "Screen laying on top of speakers"? And burlap between the speakers and screen?

Do you have measurements with and without the screen/burlap to compare the three?

I'm just curious is all. I didn't take any before/after comparo measurements with my Stewart screen and 888s.
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Huh? Sorry but that post is a tad confusing. "Screen laying on top of speakers"? And burlap between the speakers and screen?

Do you have measurements with and without the screen/burlap to compare the three?

I'm just curious is all. I didn't take any before/after comparo measurements with my Stewart screen and 888s.
I think he means the actual screen is on top of his speakers, like holding the screen up. At least thats how I read it.

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What is recommended compared to your 3"?
When I talked about it with Rich from Falcon he basically said you can have the screen right up against the speakers, less then an inch away. The only reason I have my screen 3" away is because I have fairly powerful subs that can turn my screen into a trampoline if I want too.
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On another note, I think I'm considering Noesis 228s for my theater. I'm still not sure if I'll have a baffle wall or not. If not, then I'll most likely go with the Klipsch in-wall TXH line. If I do though, then I have liked what I've heard from the JTRs and the 228's aren't too price and aren't too deep. What would be good surrounds to pair with them (in-walls may be a consideration here). And is there a certain distance they should be from the back of the screen they would be behind?
I'm glad you liked the 228ht at my place. I gotta say, Klipsch in wall are not going to be nearly as our capable dynamically, or as clean. sounding as 228ht. My klipsch rs-3 could not keep pace with the JTR as I increased the volume, and they should be better than klipsch in wall. Baffle wall or not, if you plan to turn it up I'd stray away from that type of klipsch speaker, especially for left center right.
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On another note, I think I'm considering Noesis 228s for my theater. I'm still not sure if I'll have a baffle wall or not. If not, then I'll most likely go with the Klipsch in-wall TXH line. If I do though, then I have liked what I've heard from the JTRs and the 228's aren't too price and aren't too deep. What would be good surrounds to pair with them (in-walls may be a consideration here). And is there a certain distance they should be from the back of the screen they would be behind?
The Volt 8's from DIY sound group in the slanted boxes pair great with my 228's. I plan on getting 2 more for 7.1.

If you don't mind spending $1000 on each surround speaker the Single 8's would be wonderful.
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Huh? Sorry but that post is a tad confusing. "Screen laying on top of speakers"? And burlap between the speakers and screen?

Do you have measurements with and without the screen/burlap to compare the three?

I'm just curious is all. I didn't take any before/after compare measurements with my Stewart screen and 888s.

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I think he means the actual screen is on top of his speakers, like holding the screen up. At least thats how I read it.
No I don't have measurements before the screen went up. The reason why I put the burlap up is to help with reflections. I have no idea if there was any reflections or not, but I didn't want to keep taking the screen up and down. The speakers are not holding the screen up, it is just that I have in wall speakers and there is no space between the screen and the speakers. I could have explained better in my previous post but I was responding to audiovideoholic saying that screen manufacturers have distance recommendations.

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I'm glad you liked the 228ht at my place. I gotta say, Klipsch in wall are not going to be nearly as our capable dynamically, or as clean. sounding as 228ht. My klipsch rs-3 could not keep pace with the JTR as I increased the volume, and they should be better than klipsch in wall. Baffle wall or not, if you plan to turn it up I'd stray away from that type of klipsch speaker, especially for left center right.
Yeah, I'd prefer a baffle for performance, but it may cause havoc with aesthetics because of the room layout. Then there are budget concerns with extra costs for better speakers and the construction. Looks might not be a huge issue with a 14" deep speaker. I'll see what we come up with designs.

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The Volt 8's from DIY sound group in the slanted boxes pair great with my 228's. I plan on getting 2 more for 7.1.

If you don't mind spending $1000 on each surround speaker the Single 8's would be wonderful.
Yeah, 1k per surround is a bit more than I'd want to go, and I have to take size into consideration (I don't want people banging their heads on them when they walk by).
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Screen manufacturers have distance recommendations for the spacing between the speakers and screen material.
Jbrown, what is it for the Falcon material? Brandon, how far is your spandex from yours? Not sure if that Danley is different from having a direct radiating speaker/drivers closer

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