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My four cabinets are basically 13cu/ft, I'd love to hear some FTW-21's in them!
If I remember right, if you wanted them to be your tune, they would be almost 17 cf lol.
I'm just going off the top of my head when I was looking into doing it. I was just running some omni sweeps and noticed moving my seating back 1 foot gets me a +9dB more hump at 50hz LOL Not touching anything and my house curve goes up a full 7dB's from about 50hz down.
Gotta love how 1 foot can change things so much. Not that it matters, I'm only running at 40% anyways. I've had a full day screwing around in the HT.... it's been a wonderful day (even though I miss my daughter)... now to eat enough sushi to get the fish sweats

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Well certainly can't go wrong with Seatons I was just at his shop last week checking out some new stuff he's working on. Not sure what Mark is naming these but this dual 18" ported sub will definitely be bad-a$$. I believe he said it's tuned at 10.5Hz.
Are those dayton drivers in the back the um18's? looks like the right box size

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If I remember right, if you wanted them to be your tune, they would be almost 17 cf lol.
I'm just going off the top of my head when I was looking into doing it. I was just running some omni sweeps and noticed moving my seating back 1 foot gets me a +9dB more hump at 50hz LOL Not touching anything and my house curve goes up a full 7dB's from about 50hz down.
Gotta love how 1 foot can change things so much. Not that it matters, I'm only running at 40% anyways. I've had a full day screwing around in the HT.... it's been a wonderful day (even though I miss my daughter)... now to eat enough sushi to get the fish sweats

Oh yeah for sure Nate, if I was to get the same port tune as my current cabinets a cabinet for the FTW-21 would need to be bigger then what I built for the UXL-18's.
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Oh yeah for sure Nate, if I was to get the same port tune as my current cabinets a cabinet for the FTW-21 would need to be bigger then what I built for the UXL-18's.
I wonder if there is a ported build out there for the 21's?

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Well certainly can't go wrong with Seatons I was just at his shop last week checking out some new stuff he's working on. Not sure what Mark is naming these but this dual 18" ported sub will definitely be bad-a$$. I believe he said it's tuned at 10.5Hz.

Wow that thing looks awesome!
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Are those dayton drivers in the back the um18's? looks like the right box size
Yes they are Dayton drivers.
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Yes they are Dayton drivers.
Is he using them in the sub pictured? I can't tell if they have dust caps, the um18's have smooth 1 piece cones with no dustcap.

It sure looks like he is! I hope he's not using off the shelf um18's... depending on the price of that big sub, he's got less than 425$ in drivers in it if thats the case....

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No from that picture they definitely look like the UM18-22's.
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No from that picture they definitely look like the UM18-22's.
ya, it sure does.... someone could build that sub for and power it for a little more than a 1K if they are indeed the um's

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Of course I haven't even seen the back of the sub but I'm going to guess dual UM18-22's powered by a Speakerpower SP1-2400 amp. Even if you used those exact components it would cost under $2500 to build that sub. Of course Mark needs to make money to stay in business
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Of course I haven't even seen the back of the sub but I'm going to guess dual UM18-22's powered by a Speakerpower SP1-2400 amp. Even if you used those exact components it would cost under $2500 to build that sub. Of course Mark needs to make money to stay in business
but of course! I just like figuring out how much everything would cost me to build! lol. Dayton's Josh on the UM18 thread says the inuke 6000's watts per channel is too much power for the um18's, you could power the subs to full excursion easily with a 6000dsp 1 driver per channel

550$ for drivers
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bingo, one heck of a sub..... lol I can't help but dissect a sub I know nothing about except for 1 kinda blurry pic hahahaha. Not that it matters, Seaton makes awesome stuff and the um18 is from all accounts a great driver ( I've got 2 on the way hehe)

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I would find it hard to believe that Mark would use the UM18's for his drivers in a sub to represent Seaton. Matter of fact, I would be shocked! Not that they are bad drivers or anything, just that they are probably not up to Seaton Sound standards. If he did, they most definitely would have to be custom like mentioned already. Doesn't the UM18's need a bigger enclosure than what is in the picture? I mean it is really hard to tell what the dimensions are, but I thought that the UM18 needs a rather large enclosure when going ported?

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but of course! I just like figuring out how much everything would cost me to build! lol. Dayton's Josh on the UM18 thread says the inuke 6000's watts per channel is too much power for the um18's, you could power the subs to full excursion easily with a 6000dsp 1 driver per channel

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bingo, one heck of a sub..... lol I can't help but dissect a sub I know nothing about except for 1 kinda blurry pic hahahaha. Not that it matters, Seaton makes awesome stuff and the um18 is from all accounts a great driver ( I've got 2 on the way hehe)
Josh came back and said that the inuke 6000 is actually ok for the UM18 if you run one off of each channel. He stated otherwise at first but then came back and said that he read the specs wrong.

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We are just messing around, we have no idea about the sub really lol, It looks like them in the pic, It's very likely if he does have the UM's they are a modded version made only for him..... unless.....

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Josh came back and said that the inuke 6000 is actually ok for the UM18 if you run one off of each channel. He stated otherwise at first but then came back and said that he read the specs wrong.
ahh ok, not that that really would have deterred anyone from putting a 6000 to them LOL

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We are just messing around, we have no idea about the sub really lol, It looks like them in the pic, It's very likely if he does have the UM's they are a modded version made only for him..... unless.....

Yea it is more than likely them considering they look like them and there are open Dayton boxes next to the sub. If they are a modded version....I am very interested to know what is different. However, if that is the case, we will never know.

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ahh ok, not that that really would have deterred anyone from putting a 6000 to them LOL

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I would find it hard to believe that Mark would use the UM18's for his drivers in a sub to represent Seaton. Matter of fact, I would be shocked! Not that they are bad drivers or anything, just that they are probably not up to Seaton Sound standards. If he did, they most definitely would have to be custom like mentioned already. Doesn't the UM18's need a bigger enclosure than what is in the picture? I mean it is really hard to tell what the dimensions are, but I thought that the UM18 needs a rather large enclosure when going ported?

seeing that there was such a long delay in just getting the standard UM18-22's to market I would highly doubt they would build custom drivers already. Looking at the enclosure I would guess that its rough dimensions are 22-23"wide, 24-25"deep and at least 48"high.
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You are probably right. So that box maybe around 16cf. If I recall correctly, the UM18 wants a 13cf ported enclosure per driver??? I am probably wrong about that but I remember it being something crazy big. However, they modeled very good against the UXL18 which is a driver that I have a lot or respect for!

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I think Rory has said that they are rated at 22mm xmax but actually have 25mm xmax. So I would guess that they would preform in between a SI 18 and UXL-18.
I was considering buying them when they were first released but being located in Canada makes them less of an attractive option compared to the UXL-18's. After currency exchange rate and taxes bringing them across the border a UM18-22 would have cost me around $330per driver, I was able to get UXL-18's for less then $50 more per driver. Pretty much a no brainer at that point to go with the UXL-18


It'll be good to get a review from Nate on the UM18's though as he's pretty much the UXL-18 expert!
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I agree with you completely. I would love to hear your setup one day, but that is a long shot. If I could hear everybody's setup that I wanted to hear, I would have to file for bankruptcy when I was done!

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Is he using them in the sub pictured? I can't tell if they have dust caps, the um18's have smooth 1 piece cones with no dustcap.

It sure looks like he is! I hope he's not using off the shelf um18's... depending on the price of that big sub, he's got less than 425$ in drivers in it if thats the case....
No dust caps on the drivers in the picture of the sub that I posted above
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Cat12's.
That is my plan at this point. It will depend on the sale of my current speakers first....Unless I keep the 215RT's as wide speakers.
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That is my plan at this point. It will depend on the sale of my current speakers first....Unless I keep the 215RT's as wide speakers.

Coach, I never saw why you wanted to sell your 215's and get the Cat 12's. Can you tell me why the change of heart?

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Popalock turned me on to the subwoofer song thread...I feel like a new frontier has been discovered!!! Just revved up to reference with one song and DANG!!! Intense!!! So clean and powerful, it was a little scary to be honest. Of course my music is up like 15db on the subs, just music...

What is the title of that thread? I don't see it after a quick search. Link would be even better if get a chance. Thanks!

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Well certainly can't go wrong with Seatons I was just at his shop last week checking out some new stuff he's working on. Not sure what Mark is naming these but this dual 18" ported sub will definitely be bad-a$$. I believe he said it's tuned at 10.5Hz.
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