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Great posts here, thanks for the informative responses! My room definitely falls into the "reflective" category given it is small and completely untreated.
I will go into a little more detail from my own experience in my own space. My first full setup with the triple12's i had absolutely zero treatments in the room, and rarely went above -8 for any material, even showing off. The speakers could easily run well past -8 but the sound began to fall apart and not feel too good on the ears. I usually watched movies at a level between -12 and -14. Since treating the room, and optimizing the space quite a bit more, I have found that movies at reference are certainly "loud" but so clean it is hard to pass up. Beforehand, reference on the same movies was almost painful. Yes, I have always eq'd my system to the same spec at the same MLP give or take a few inches, but it just goes to show what a properly treated room can do to your listening levels.

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DD, In the spirit of this discussion. I've never heard of adjusting reference to the size of one's room, who does this? How common is this knowledge? Who all follows this room size manual adjustment? Anyone in this thread?


I know you know this - but for those following who don't - to my understanding AVRs and pre-amps don't take room size into account. They match to 85dB regardless of room size. (75dB according to AVR or pre-amp test tones, but internally adjusted to account for the 85dB point as it relates to reference. 75dB instead of 85dB because of people complaining that 85dB test tones are too loud). My Onkyos have been in multiple rooms and after running the auto calibration, the test tones are always right at nearly 75dB for all speakers - regardless of acoustic treatment, or room size - as verified with my omnimic. My old room and my new room for instance are vastly differently acoustically (old incredibly reflective, new treated with baffle wall and larger) - but both rooms (after running Audyssey) set the 5508's test tones to 75dB. How could the AVR know what your room size is?

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DD, In the spirit of this discussion. I've never heard of adjusting reference to the size of one's room, who does this? How common is this knowledge? Who all follows this room size manual adjustment? Anyone in this thread?


I know you know this - but for those following who don't - to my understanding AVRs and pre-amps don't take room size into account. They match to 85dB regardless of room size. (75dB according to AVR or pre-amp test tones, but internally adjusted to account for the 85dB point as it relates to reference. 75dB instead of 85dB because of people complaining that 85dB test tones are too loud). My Onkyos have been in multiple rooms and after running the auto calibration, the test tones are always right at nearly 75dB for all speakers - regardless of acoustic treatment, or room size - as verified with my omnimic. My old room and my new room for instance are vastly differently acoustically (old incredibly reflective, new treated with baffle wall and larger) - but both rooms (after running Audyssey) set the 5508's test tones to 75dB. How could the AVR know what your room size is?
The AVR doesn't. The link relates to mastering and playback across a wide range of spaces. Basically all "home" environments are assumed to fall in the same classification, and if your room does depart from the norm, you'll more than likely turn it up or down a few dB without prompting as it will be subjectively too loud or not loud enough.

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Who has dbox in kc?
I am about 7 and 1/2 hours from you, but you can demo D-Box as much as you want and I can teach you all you would ever want to know about D-box.

And if you bring a pair of 228HT I can finally get off my A$$ about getting some JTR speakers.

We can split the cost of gas. Just a thought.
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How could the AVR know what your room size is?
In JRiver you enter it under Tools > Options > Audio > Room Size. I forget that most are using receivers.

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if you sell the opendrc, let me know, I'd likely buy it from you. I could use another one. pm me with a price you have in mind if you do sell it.
lol, actually you came to mind first. What are your thoughts Nate on me going to a Nanoavr? Same capabilties as Open DRC (minus the auto filters I think) but I get speaker EQ ability. I would love to bring the 2k-4k region down a bit. Also want to try a "little" midbass" boost but I need to know if I need amps for that as my 4520 puts out around 90-100 watts a channel I think. It would just sit elsewhere in the signal chain...

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This falls right in line with what I saw while watching Olympus Has Fallen at 0 dB MV. I had my cheap Parts Express SPL meter on the "max" setting while watching and it was around 105 dB. I'm sure some LFE scenes where actually louder, but I don't know how accurate that SPL meter is for low frequencies with its weighting type and cheaper components.
I will have to try. I have the RS SPL $50 meter. I think it's common knowledge that one is consistenly 10db approx low on the subs usually. Immediately after an Audyssey cal it will read 64-66 which is further proof as it is really 75db Audyssey sets it at.

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And if you ever make it to Houston, I'll show you as well. I do owe you since I saw the JTR at your place.

We do have GTG to see theaters here occasionally. We have one next weekend actually at AV Texans.'

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ATSC's A/85 – Techniques for Establishing and Maintaining Audio Loudness for Digital Television

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I guess I should also ask how the Triple 8's compare to the 228's? I'm intrigued by the low profile option of the t8's.
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With the ported sub talk lately, I am curious to hear from the 215 guys how they are making out with pairing sealed with ported as most are. Are you using subs or just running full range. I have talked to you all individually, but wanted to see how things are now. Seeing this ported subs has me thinking maybe getting a pair of ported subs or just running full range.

For music the subs never get turned on, but for movies sometimes I run the mains large + subs and sometimes I cross the mains at 50 hz and run them small. There really isn't much difference other than the fact that for a demo I do get some more db's with large mains + subs if I want to go crazy and subjectively it is more impressive at the system's limits.

For normal movie watching either way is fine, I just turn down the bass eq a touch on the mains and turn down the trim on the subs a touch too if running large mains + subs compared to running the mains small and crossing them over.

I have reached the point where I don't want or need any more bass. My house and ears are at their limit when things are cranked up which doesn't even happen very often anyway.
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Okay, so who has a pair of 212HT's that they want to sell and who wants to buy a pair of 228HT's?.....lol
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In Olympus Has Fallen, a system playing back at 0 MV can have peaks of around 120 dB or more due to the combined channel output. The SPL meter really isn't fast enough to catch most of the peaks, though.

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It's important to remember the "why" driving this recommendation. This stems from assumed similar acoustics vs a changing room size as would be likely in either commercial theaters or mixing rooms. This is a huge factor in why those with heavily treated, dedicated theaters find higher main volume levels more comfortable than those in a typical, untreated living room.

In short our hearing system senses loudness based on sound power, not just intensity. For those reading along, this means subjective loudness relates to intensity*time, not just peak SPL. The more reflections can keep bouncing around without dissipating, the longer any burst of sound will exist in the room, and will sound louder. Go slam a book shut in your bathroom/shower vs standing outside. The sound from the book closing didn't change, but in the bathroom the sound kept bouncing around at nearly the level it started at making it seem MUCH louder.

While such reflections do make the time averaged SPL (like the pink noise test tones) measure louder, most deteriorate the clarity, intelligibility and overall quality. Since we don't calibrate based on the direct sound only, but rather on direct and all reflected energy, this means that in a reflective room the "calibrated" playback will actually have less peak SPL but have much more sustained energy due to reflections.
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I will go into a little more detail from my own experience in my own space. My first full setup with the triple12's i had absolutely zero treatments in the room, and rarely went above -8 for any material, even showing off. The speakers could easily run well past -8 but the sound began to fall apart and not feel too good on the ears. I usually watched movies at a level between -12 and -14. Since treating the room, and optimizing the space quite a bit more, I have found that movies at reference are certainly "loud" but so clean it is hard to pass up. Beforehand, reference on the same movies was almost painful. Yes, I have always eq'd my system to the same spec at the same MLP give or take a few inches, but it just goes to show what a properly treated room can do to your listening levels.
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The AVR doesn't. The link relates to mastering and playback across a wide range of spaces. Basically all "home" environments are assumed to fall in the same classification, and if your room does depart from the norm, you'll more than likely turn it up or down a few dB without prompting as it will be subjectively too loud or not loud enough.
When I first built all my room treatments I was hanging around -10 or -11 on the MV. After I built the Volt 10's and re-calibrated XT32 I was back to -17ish...The room was noticeably quieter and REW read my noise floor from 42.5db avg to 38.5 after the treatments. I understand Mark's description of reflections and the "hanging" energy changing the perceived loudness in a room, smaller in particular. But still don't grasp why I am at -17avg. I guess I just need to see what the SPL meter reads and go from there. Doesn't make any difference I was just curious as why some are at 0 and I am at -17avg? I have been thinking the 2k-4k region could be a chunk of the equation. My last graph had my Triple 8's a little bloated in that region...

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lol, actually you came to mind first. What are your thoughts Nate on me going to a Nanoavr? Same capabilties as Open DRC (minus the auto filters I think) but I get speaker EQ ability. I would love to bring the 2k-4k region down a bit. Also want to try a "little" midbass" boost but I need to know if I need amps for that as my 4520 puts out around 90-100 watts a channel I think. It would just sit elsewhere in the signal chain...
I have no idea about the Nanoavr but I'm gonna look into it. It would be nice to have a EQ although how much will that EQ degrade the sound on a box shoved into the middle of your chain... that I dunno.

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I have no idea about the Nanoavr but I'm gonna look into it. It would be nice to have a EQ although how much will that EQ degrade the sound on a box shoved into the middle of your chain... that I dunno.
I guess dgage and coach are our lab rats there

One thing I want to know for sure is how it will do in my system. I actually might have to keep my Open DRC in the fact that it takes ALL, 100% of the noise out of my two Submersives. I took it out one time and the noise was horrible. I don't think the Nanoavr up in the chain will do that.

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I guess dgage and coach are our lab rats there

One thing I want to know for sure is how it will do in my system. I actually might have to keep my Open DRC in the fact that it takes ALL, 100% of the noise out of my two Submersives. I took it out one time and the noise was horrible. I don't think the Nanoavr up in the chain will do that.
You shouldn't have any noise in a normal system so I'm not sure why the OpenDRC would be cleaning the noise up. If you mean hiss or something, you could try grounding your amps to your receiver or use some cheater plugs.

One of the good things on the NanoAVR is that it is completely digital so just plugging it into the chain should not affect the sound at all and that has been my experience. The only negative thing Coach and I have noticed is a slight reduction in sound level, meaning you need to turn the volume up a little higher than normal for the same output. But there are multiple ways to address that.
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You shouldn't have any noise in a normal system so I'm not sure why the OpenDRC would be cleaning the noise up. If you mean hiss or something, you could try grounding your amps to your receiver or use some cheater plugs.

One of the good things on the NanoAVR is that it is completely digital so just plugging it into the chain should not affect the sound at all and that has been my experience. The only negative thing Coach and I have noticed is a slight reduction in sound level, meaning you need to turn the volume up a little higher than normal for the same output. But there are multiple ways to address that.
The NanoAvr has really taken my system to the next level. I have no doubt that without it, the 215's wouldn't had been able to sound as good as they did. Audyssey actually laid a solid foundation and the NanoAvr cleaned things up.

I highly recommend it if you are only using XT32 or one of the other Room correction offerings from the other brands like Pioneer, Yamaha or even Anthem.
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You shouldn't have any noise in a normal system so I'm not sure why the OpenDRC would be cleaning the noise up. If you mean hiss or something, you could try grounding your amps to your receiver or use some cheater plugs.

One of the good things on the NanoAVR is that it is completely digital so just plugging it into the chain should not affect the sound at all and that has been my experience. The only negative thing Coach and I have noticed is a slight reduction in sound level, meaning you need to turn the volume up a little higher than normal for the same output. But there are multiple ways to address that.
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The NanoAvr has really taken my system to the next level. I have no doubt that without it, the 215's wouldn't had been able to sound as good as they did. Audyssey actually laid a solid foundation and the NanoAvr cleaned things up.

I highly recommend it if you are only using XT32 or one of the other Room correction offerings from the other brands like Pioneer, Yamaha or even Anthem.
I currently use the Open DRC-AN version for Submersive EQ. I couldn't live without it or something similar As far as the noise I don't know exactly what it is. I just know right now I have the RCA to XLR's into the Open DRC from the Denon4520 and XLR to XLR out to the two Submersives. When I took it out briefly one time to experiment the SubM's were suddenly humming quite loudly. I know this place has issues because I got the hiss/buzz from the Sherbourn PA7350 before I sold it.

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The NanoAvr has really taken my system to the next level. I have no doubt that without it, the 215's wouldn't had been able to sound as good as they did. Audyssey actually laid a solid foundation and the NanoAvr cleaned things up.

I highly recommend it if you are only using XT32 or one of the other Room correction offerings from the other brands like Pioneer, Yamaha or even Anthem.
Could you please expand on the cleaning up part?

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Very nice. Sounds like somebody is going down the JBL route
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Could you please expand on the cleaning up part?
Once again I'll speak for Coach since he's traveling today. I think "cleaning up" might be the wrong choice of words. Audyssey gave a nice base and evened out the frequency response for his calibrator but with Audyssey, even the Pro version, there is little control. So really what the NanoAVR allowed the calibrator to do is get the sound to Coach's preference which is strong midbass along with maybe increasing the upper end a little. Coach and I haven't actually looked at the NanoAVR configuration but that is what was communicated by the calibrator. And I must say it really made the215s sound sweet, better than Audyssey only and especially better than just hooked up out of the box.
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Nah. I was browsing through Best Buy the other day and settled on a Sony HTIB. UNBELIEVABLE SQ and dynamics.

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Thank you for the response. Not real happy with Audyssey and am looking to improve certain areas. So it looks like this could be a solid choice.

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I would not wait. I would strike while the iron is hot. I had mine forsale for 2 months and nothing. I decided to keep them.
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I would not wait. I would strike while the iron is hot. I had mine forsale for 2 months and nothing. I decided to keep them.
Well, let me rephrase that. The 212HT's are for sale. I just don't know yet whether I'm keeping one for my center or not. So I definitely have two, and most likely three for sale. I just wanted to make a definitive decision on the third before I officially offered them up.

I'm surprised no one wanted to buy yours. Maybe your price was too high?
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Well, let me rephrase that. The 212HT's are for sale. I just don't know yet whether I'm keeping one for my center or not. So I definitely have two, and most likely three for sale. I just wanted to make a definitive decision on the third before I officially offered them up.

I'm surprised no one wanted to buy yours. Maybe your price was too high?
I had no offers. I had em listed for $3900 with free stands. I was just letting you know the market is a little flat right now.

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do you have 212 HT for sale ? can you please post the link
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Thank you for the response. Not real happy with Audyssey and am looking to improve certain areas. So it looks like this could be a solid choice.
I am not either. Manual EQ can really make your system shine, but using audyssey and then adjusting out to your preference is likely the most prudent as it would require less tweaking after audyssey... Doing it before would require quite a bit more work...

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I had no offers. I had em listed for $3900 with free stands. I was just letting you know the market is a little flat right now.
Ha! That's too cheap IMO. JTR's are built like tanks and for someone looking to save some money buying used JTR's is about as safe a purchase as I could imagine. At least as far as speakers go. When I bought mine there were no used to buy, otherwise I would have. About the only thing you'll miss out on going used is that overwhelming stench in your house as the finish cures.
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