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post #22441 of 30246 Old 08-22-2014, 04:40 PM
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Ehhh still not worrying too much about not having an AT screen. I don't want to lose light and the sound from my center is still damn good as is. I've been in a ton of AT rooms now and while I love them I don't feel like I'm losing a ton in my room, in fact I prefer my setup to many, mostly because I like a massive screen and most are smaller - and the fact that the sound of the 215's do it for me.

Seriously guys, I think I'm done buying HT stuff for a long time. I'm so happy with everything right now there just isn't any reason. I haven't had the itch for so long now (haha, relatively speaking).


Still.... I guarantee someday I'll have an AT setup. I think I'll do it all at once down the road - AT, 4k, Atmos. Until that's all figured out I'll be content with my current setup.

It will be fun to live vicariously through you guys as I'm sure you will all have ^ before I do.
I go back and forth on the subject myself. I wish I would have done an AT, but I decided against it and went with the fixed. I just did not have the space. I think the AT screen is very cool and sounds great, but it is something I can live without. Someday in the new house. The one thing I may upgrade on very soon is a masking system from Carada. I am not sure if I can add it to my current screen or if I have to buy a new screen. It is super cool. I wish I would have looked at it a bit more, but that is another day. I have my hand full right now anyway. I have to upgrade my roof

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Sorry guys but I didn't get a chance to do measurements for the ongoing saga "Where's Dgage's Midbass". Maybe tomorrow.

I may not have the midbass nailed down but I think I have the subbass covered. I present to you a pair of SI HST-18s and a pair of HS-24s. Should be fun to play with over the next few weeks and compare the HST-18s to my LMS-5400s. In the smaller attached pictures, I compare a quarter to the HUMONGOUS foam surround on the HST-18...damn impressive.

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Has Nick decided to finally offer the HST-18's? Man that would be cool if he did.
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Has Nick decided to finally offer the HST-18's? Man that would be cool if he did.
I think he's real close to bringing them back, just finalizing details. There were many of us hounding him and he finally relented. He had no choice but to give the people what they want.
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I'll throw this out there....anyone have a pair of slant 8hts they looking to sell... I am in the market.


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Sorry guys but I didn't get a chance to do measurements for the ongoing saga "Where's Dgage's Midbass". Maybe tomorrow.

I may not have the midbass nailed down but I think I have the subbass covered. I present to you a pair of SI HST-18s and a pair of HS-24s. Should be fun to play with over the next few weeks and compare the HST-18s to my LMS-5400s. In the smaller attached pictures, I compare a quarter to the HUMONGOUS foam surround on the HST-18...damn impressive.


once these get pounding the walls may cave in and then room boundary will be a moot point!! They look impressive. What amp will you drive these with? Sealed, ported? Can those 18's work in a horn? OMG!

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once these get pounding the walls may cave in and then room boundary will be a moot point!! They look impressive. What amp will you drive these with? Sealed, ported? Can those 18's work in a horn? OMG!
A pair of SpeakerPower SP2-8000 amps will drive each subwoofer with 4000w at 2 ohms.

They will be sealed cabinets and I'll have to play with cabinet size and DSP to determine what size I'll end up with. Much fun to be had.

Good point on the room boundary. That is indeed one way to get rid of that annoyance and I was thinking about expanding the room anyway. Do you think the insurance company has destruction by subwoofer as a check box on their claims worksheet? LOL!
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Couldn't agree more, I just wish I had done it right from the start instead of having to go through the hassle of selling my old screen and taking a $300 lose!...lol
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Ehhh still not worrying too much about not having an AT screen. I don't want to lose light and the sound from my center is still damn good as is. I've been in a ton of AT rooms now and while I love them I don't feel like I'm losing a ton in my room, in fact I prefer my setup to many, mostly because I like a massive screen and most are smaller - and the fact that the sound of the 215's do it for me.

Seriously guys, I think I'm done buying HT stuff for a long time. I'm so happy with everything right now there just isn't any reason. I haven't had the itch for so long now (haha, relatively speaking).


Still.... I guarantee someday I'll have an AT setup. I think I'll do it all at once down the road - AT, 4k, Atmos. Until that's all figured out I'll be content with my current setup.

It will be fun to live vicariously through you guys as I'm sure you will all have ^ before I do.
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I go back and forth on the subject myself. I wish I would have done an AT, but I decided against it and went with the fixed. I just did not have the space. I think the AT screen is very cool and sounds great, but it is something I can live without. Someday in the new house. The one thing I may upgrade on very soon is a masking system from Carada. I am not sure if I can add it to my current screen or if I have to buy a new screen. It is super cool. I wish I would have looked at it a bit more, but that is another day. I have my hand full right now anyway. I have to upgrade my roof
Well AT in my living room is a bit of a challenge but can be done. I placed the order for the non AT material but it didn't ship out...Easy to cancel...hmmmm...can change that for spandex...

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@popalock ,


Last night we damaged on of kcnitro07s lms5400 drivers. The surrround came unglued and started flapping. So we played with the other one most of the night, it is so much less capable than the ported captivatator because of type of box alignment it is ridiculous..
It sounds great, but man the tapped out volume difference is huge between the two. We had the driver tapping a bit metallically as we inched up the volume responsibly, and backed down. MLV? - 17db with the sub 6dB Hot on the Ironman jericho scene. I told him he needs to dump the sealed cabs and go to a big ported cab, cause the lms5400 driver is superior to a captivatator driver and the box alignment made the vast difference.

Doh

I might have to pull a notnyt, sell my eight sealed cabs and make big low ported monster boxes for my eight ultimax after that pitiful output demonstration.

Amp was a bridged crrown xls-5000. We discovered in testing the epx-4000 is weaksause compared to the crown xls-5000. Both amps bridged to four ohm mono. Like 6dB different in headroom, and more compression on the epx-4000 bridged. The epx-4000 couldn't put a hurt on the lms5400 driver, the crown easilky could.

All that playing meant I didn't get my eight sealed finished, a task for today.
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Last night we damaged on of kcnitro07s lms5400 drivers. The surrround came unglued and started flapping. So we played with the other one most of the night, it is so much less capable than the ported captivatator because of type of box alignment it is ridiculous..
It sounds great, but man the tapped out volume difference is huge between the two. We had the driver tapping a bit metallically as we inched up the volume responsibly, and backed down. MLV? - 17db with the sub 6dB Hot on the Ironman jericho scene. I told him he needs to dump the sealed cabs and go to a big ported cab, cause the lms5400 driver is superior to a captivatator driver and the box alignment made the vast difference.

Doh

I might have to pull a notnyt, sell my eight sealed cabs and make big low ported monster boxes for my eight ultimax after that pitiful output demonstration.

Amp was a bridged crrown xls-5000. We discovered in testing the epx-4000 is weaksause compared to the crown xls-5000. Both amps bridged to four ohm mono. Like 6dB different in headroom, and more compression on the epx-4000 bridged. The epx-4000 couldn't put a hurt on the lms5400 driver, the crown easilky could.

All that playing meant I didn't get my eight sealed finished, a task for today.


Did he leave the 5400's at your place?

Remember, a lot of the reason the Cap has no problem with scenes like the Iron Man one you played is because they aren't playing the low stuff, meanwhile the 5400 is struggling because it has to play it.

I bet when you get all 8 of your Dayton's setup you will have enough output and headroom that you won't feel like messing with selling the cabinets and going ported.

Also, you will need so much more space for subs. The cabinets will all have to be at least twice the size right? Do you have room for that?

You could go 4 drivers in huge cabinets and then sell the other 4 drivers but you would be taking up the same or more space than you already are with 8 sealed and the output would be similar so there wouldn't be much benefit.

If you have room for 8 massive boxes and need the output then it makes sense.
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Yeah he left both here, but only one works now.
Its under warranty and he'll have to send it in. We were not being irresponsible, we were inching up the volume a dB at a time or so until we saw blinking clip lights with the ironman jericho scene with that scene on repeat.
Luke Kamp might come by today too. Carp, come on over when you can.

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That sucks man, that 5400 driver scares me - I've seen too many horror stories.

I'll check with Luke, maybe I'll pick him up this afternoon. Take a nap.
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I'm planning on building out some monster ported boxes for the new HST drivers. As soon as this craziness around the house dies down, I want to holler at Nick for a couple of those bad boys. 15-17hz tune would be plenty for me.
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Yeah he left both here, but only one works now.
Its under warranty and he'll have to send it in. We were not being irresponsible, we were inching up the volume a dB at a time or so until we saw blinking clip lights with the ironman jericho scene with that scene on repeat.
Luke Kamp might come by today too. Carp, come on over when you can.

Yeah for 3 hours of sleep.
Warranty? Meaning he bought them from parts express less than 45 days ago? Evenso, I think he might be looking at a $489 miatake.
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Yeah he left both here, but only one works now.
Its under warranty and he'll have to send it in. We were not being irresponsible, we were inching up the volume a dB at a time or so until we saw blinking clip lights with the ironman jericho scene with that scene on repeat.
Luke Kamp might come by today too. Carp, come on over when you can.

Yeah for 3 hours of sleep.
Warranty? Meaning he bought them from parts express less than 45 days ago? Evenso, I think he might be looking at a $489 miatake.
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Warranty? Meaning he bought them from parts express less than 45 days ago? Evenso, I think he might be looking at a $489 mistake.


We looked it up and think he's okay.


Warranty is 1 year on manufactures defect which includes surround glue. I honestly do think in this case it was a defect. It never bottomed out (his EPX 4000 watt amp bridged can't even do it), and it started making the air flutter sound way before the other one started tapping out by a soft clinking at max excursion. We thought it was a air leak with one of the screws, but after taking the driver out (and stripping out one of his cab holes trying to make it tighter - his doing not mine) we figured out the surround had come loose of the metal frame.


He's had them for less than a year, cause he just bought them early this spring.


Those LMS-5400 drivers are BEASTS in person. The motor structure makes my 50 lb ultimax 18's look like toys. Ridiculously heavy trying to put in the box.

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I'm planning on building out some monster ported boxes for the new HST drivers. As soon as this craziness around the house dies down, I want to holler at Nick for a couple of those bad boys. 15-17hz tune would be plenty for me.

Darn SI


I was quite interested in that HST-18 too, but they weren't going to make them -- -now they are?


I even had contacted Nick early on asking if I could organize a group buy on the HST-18. Annouced right after my eight month delayed shipping Ultimax 18" order is fulfilled too?


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That sucks man, that 5400 driver scares me - I've seen too many horror stories.

I'll check with Luke, maybe I'll pick him up this afternoon. Take a nap.

I left a note for Stitch1 and Mr.Smithers as well. I'll also reach out to scrappy and jedimastergrant. It'd be fun to do a brief SQ comparison between a ultimax 18", a SI 18HT, a lms-5400, and a Dayton 18 HO.
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After carefully putting t-nuts in all eight subwoofer enclosures tonight, which took a few hours, (drilled 64 holes incrementally larger till I hit 1/4, then painted around the holes, shop vacing the drills mess out of the cabs, then drove in each of the t-nuts with no sub in place, backing out each bolt after the t-nut was tight - - - it occurred to me that some may think there are too big of profit of margins on DIY stuff. (in relation to the recent conversation about a new ID product based on the ultimax driver in this thread) After spending several hours, on multiple days, and not even getting the drivers in there yet...my opinion - no way.

Before tonight, I'd already spent multiple hours; unboxing the cabs, shopping for parts both online and at home depot, putting the feet on the boxes, unboxing and quality checking the eight subs by running 20hz sine waves through them one at a time in free air for a short bit.
I still have stuff the cabs with polyfill, assemble and mount the back plates with ring terminals and spade connectors, cut 10 gauge wire, wire back plates, wire subs, put subs in boxes, bolt subs into box.
So - - - I've still got a lot of time to sink to finish this project - then if you are selling them, you've got to box them back up too and get them shipped out.
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So, you are using these to augment the Caps because you are light on LFE output?

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No, not light on LFE in the slightest with two ported caps. Just playing with interesting toys.
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215RT update.

We watched The Incredible Hulk last night (first time I watched the entire movie ) at -12MV ... and the Sound Canon scene was very bit as good as with dual OS's. in many ways, the bass now is better as it is so clean. It is kind of like when I had quad JL Fathoms but with much better extension and overall output. For fun (after the wife left the room) I re-ran the sound canon scene at ref level and they had more to give.

When you consider that these speakers are great mains (2 channel or HT) and can also do subwoofer duty, they are an amazing value. Of course, they will not suffice for the most LFE hungry.
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215RT update.

We watched The Incredible Hulk last night (first time I watched the entire movie ) at -12MV ... and the Sound Canon scene was very bit as good as with dual OS's. in many ways, the bass now is better as it is so clean. It is kind of like when I had quad JL Fathoms but with much better extension and overall output. For fun (after the wife left the room) I re-ran the sound canon scene at ref level and they had more to give.

When you consider that these speakers are great mains (2 channel or HT) and can also do subwoofer duty, they are an amazing value. Of course, they will not suffice for the most LFE hungry.

My sub amp hasn't been turned on in at least a couple weeks so I know what you are talking about.

Do you eq the bass hot or just run them flat, I can't remember?
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My sub amp hasn't been turned on in at least a couple weeks so I know what you are talking about.

Do you eq the bass hot or just run them flat, I can't remember?
Boy, you two have me thinking. Get the 215s and ditch the dual S2 subs and 212s. My eyes tell me no way the 215s can keep up with dual S2s or dual OS but it sure sounds like some of the die hards on this forum say the 215 are sub like if you feed them enough juice. I love trying new stuff and this has me wondering
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My sub amp hasn't been turned on in at least a couple weeks so I know what you are talking about.

Do you eq the bass hot or just run them flat, I can't remember?
They are level matched using my Integra (actually -4db for each sub channel and the center 215's lfe is also mixed into the L&R towers) and I still have a moderate bump in the FR down low where it is really needed as measured at the LP.

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Last night we damaged on of kcnitro07s lms5400 drivers. The surrround came unglued and started flapping. So we played with the other one most of the night, it is so much less capable than the ported captivatator because of type of box alignment it is ridiculous..
It sounds great, but man the tapped out volume difference is huge between the two. We had the driver tapping a bit metallically as we inched up the volume responsibly, and backed down. MLV? - 17db with the sub 6dB Hot on the Ironman jericho scene. I told him he needs to dump the sealed cabs and go to a big ported cab, cause the lms5400 driver is superior to a captivatator driver and the box alignment made the vast difference.

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I might have to pull a notnyt, sell my eight sealed cabs and make big low ported monster boxes for my eight ultimax after that pitiful output demonstration.

Amp was a bridged crrown xls-5000. We discovered in testing the epx-4000 is weaksause compared to the crown xls-5000. Both amps bridged to four ohm mono. Like 6dB different in headroom, and more compression on the epx-4000 bridged. The epx-4000 couldn't put a hurt on the lms5400 driver, the crown easilky could.

All that playing meant I didn't get my eight sealed finished, a task for today.

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I'm planning on building out some monster ported boxes for the new HST drivers. As soon as this craziness around the house dies down, I want to holler at Nick for a couple of those bad boys. 15-17hz tune would be plenty for me.

Man once again you guys out east have all the fun! ......LOL
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