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Old 09-01-2014, 06:31 AM
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Hey college football has a 4 team playoff with teams selected by a special committee. What could go wrong with that?


Its the dumbest system ever and makes the BCS seem good. The political BS dominated college football.

As a Big 8 fan I still miss Nebraska and Colorado (well mostly Nebraska). It seems bizarre that West Virginia is now in the conference. Growing up my Kansas State team was the worst in the history of NCAA football. The Oklahoma-Nebraska game was always the game to watch. Sad to see that rivalry die in the pursuit of ever more money. College sports has lost all the spirit of amateur athletics.

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+2 - NFL is tops for me and only a couple days away. Gonna love it even more with with Sunday Ticket!

I love NFL Sunday Ticket! DirecTV was really smart to give it to me when I first got their service. I have bought it every year since then and this is my 7th year.

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Am I reading this right? Seems redundant? Did you mean to say the 212HT is your favorite JTR speaker?
I haven't heard the 212HT and I'm not exactly enamored with the midbass (or lack thereof) on my 212HT-LP. So that leaves the 215RM as my favorite JTR speaker. However, that isn't my perfect speaker...for that we'd have to get closer to the size of a 212, the upper end of a 212, and the midbass of the 215RM.
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dgage.. Am I reading this right coming from you? About having a bigger room, not as many subs? Wow! What's up bro? Getting soft on us now? This is what you would normally say... If you had a bigger room, with lots of subs (DIY subs preferred), and listen to lots of music. But still need more boom? Then 215RT would likely be the preferred speaker of the two.. There, that's the dgage we know around here.. Lol.. You want me to write what N8 would say? Easy! N8- " Aw sh!t! Not enough bass yet!! " lol
I wasn't sure what to say actually. To me the 215RT is just too big and since I don't listen to much 2-channel, I don't have much use for it even if I did have the room...and I guess that is what it really comes down to. If you listen to a lot of 2-channel music, the 215RT is likely the best choice as you can run without subs, thereby simplifying the setup. If you have tons of room, the 215RT is a great choice. For all other situations, I like the 215RM better...but like I said, I still like the upper end sound of the 212 better than the laid back sound of the 215...as Fatsow put it...but that can be addressed some with EQ.
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Funny how we all have different preferences. I could and do watch college football all day. NFL does nothing for me.
Me too. I might put NFL on in the background but I rarely find myself watching it.

But I was enjoying last night though...my young Univ. of Tennessee football team did much better than I expected. Fun night and so glad College Football is finally here.
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Yes Sir and it is finally regular season!
+2. Go birds! Should be an interesting season.
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I wasn't sure what to say actually. To me the 215RT is just too big and since I don't listen to much 2-channel, I don't have much use for it even if I did have the room...and I guess that is what it really comes down to. If you listen to a lot of 2-channel music, the 215RT is likely the best choice as you can run without subs, thereby simplifying the setup. If you have tons of room, the 215RT is a great choice. For all other situations, I like the 215RM better...but like I said, I still like the upper end sound of the 212 better than the laid back sound of the 215...as Fatsow put it...but that can be addressed some with EQ.
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Me too. I might put NFL on in the background but I rarely find myself watching it.

But I was enjoying last night though...my young Univ. of Tennessee football team did much better than I expected. Fun night and so glad College Football is finally here.
I think you and I have similar tastes in football and HT. The 215rt just probably isn't for me. The 215rm does interest me. I am also not a 2 channel guy and the size of the 215rm is much more appealing to me. I wish the JTR site had more info on it.
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I think you and I have similar tastes in football and HT. The 215rt just probably isn't for me. The 215rm does interest me. I am also not a 2 channel guy and the size of the 215rm is much more appealing to me. I wish the JTR site had more info on it.
What do you need to know about the 215RM?

17" wide
18" deep
48" long
Same horn as 215
Same 15" drivers as 215RT except in a sealed enclosure
Strong output below 40/50Hz...Coach's calibrator just set it to full range.

A very nice speaker...compared to the 215RT, it may be small but the 215RM is not a small speaker.
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I had a local guy offer me his fairly new 212's's for 1000$ for both today but needed the money within an hour, I had my kid and bank is closed, can't take that much out of an ATM etc (guy is old and doesn't have any electronic banking at all) blah! I phoned a friend and he went and picked them up for his HT, damn they were in perfect shape too!

As much as I wish I could have jumped on that, I did just spend almost 3K to upgrade me gaiming PC will all the best new x99 stuff yesterday, I think another 1K would have had the wife start a internal investigation LOL

What a crazy deal though! And if Jay is reading this, you're welcome you luck SOB hahahah!

Wow! Lucky SOB is right! Come on Reef.... same deal for your 212HT's and I'll throw in 2 S8-HT's... I can be there in 20 minutes. LOL
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Man, impressions are tough this early. Last speakers were 212HTs and dual orbit shifters, and like most here I have had a good amount of speakers through my living room: Infinity, Triad, JBL, Quintuple 8's, Yorkville Unity and a couple others. I also am using Audyssey on my Onkyo 5508, so that is another variable. Although the measurements on the Omnimic say I have the responses very similar at this point.
I've never been able to use my own measurements to characterize the overall sound of a speaker. They're useful for other things, just not that.

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I also am using the dsp on my crown xti 2002 for the first time. And if that isn't enough I installed GIK acoustic 242 ceiling panels, as you can see in the pic. I did listen to the 212HTs with the panels, however I did not rerun audyssey after installing them. I believe I'm at the point/speaker level where room, setup, and EQ to my preference will make the most difference.
The amount of dedicated room treatments above schroeder, even the necessity of them at all, is dependent on the speaker in the room. With certain speaker designs dedicated treatments above schroeder may not be necessary at all.

I'm installing bass traps, but I'm not installing any other room treatments initially with the M2's. Much of what Ive read suggests treatments above schroeder may not be necessary. I can add minimal panels if necessary.


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I think the 215s are quite different. Slightly less clinical and warmer would be my initial opinion. Maybe that is ever so slightly more laid back? Now the bass is quite different as well. This could be due to using the dsp to raise bass levels as opposed to raising subwoofer output. This allowed me to raise mid bass as well without the crossover to the sub being the limiter. The mid bass is better, but again maybe due to the dsp work. The interesting thing is the imaging is improved as well. This could be a result of the ceiling panels.
Your impressions correlate with most all impressions I've read of the 215's. I hope you enjoy them!


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So, not sure any of this was helpful to someone trying to decide between the two. I am very interested in your opinion of the M2s after you have had some time with them. I almost went that direction myself. After all two 212s and two orbit shifters is the same price as the M2s without amps. Although I would probably buy them with the amps.
There's no getting around the fact that the M2 is a far more expensive speaker. It is possible to save a few dollars if you already have amps at an LG or other high end level with high output. But by the time you add the external processor and what amounts to a bit more complexity, it's easier to just get the crown amps they were designed with. At least that is the conclusion I came to after discussing it at length with JBL. Besides, those amps have some nice features built in.
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There's no getting around the fact that the M2 is a far more expensive speaker. It is possible to save a few dollars if you already have amps at an LG or other high end level with high output. But by the time you add the external processor and what amounts to a bit more complexity, it's easier to just get the crown amps they were designed with. At least that is the conclusion I came to after discussing it at length with JBL. Besides, those amps have some nice features built in.
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OK got my Triple 12LF and se it up. I tried both with and without toe and eventually settled for the toe so it covers a wider area of sweet spot. I had to run audyssey multiple time with different MLP to get an optimized sound. Somehow I was able to get both the front and the second row with optimized sound. These are really good speakers and I wonder how well the new versions sound (the one I bought is a 2009 model). I am still in the process of tuning it further but so far I believe it is ready for HT (did watch some movies and testing with challenging scenes and sounded really good).

I also tested it for stereo music and I felt that they paired pretty well with the 2 PB13 ultras that I have. Which is a huge relief as I do not want t change the subs .

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Glad to see you are going with the crown amps. They theoretically are designed matched for a synergistic result.
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Glad to see you are going with the crown amps. They theoretically are designed matched for a synergistic result.
I wanted to kick you for saying "synergistic" but I went with Like. I cringe every time I hear "synergy" in business...
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What Synergy sport tech is doing to the NBA is amazing though! Will eventually draft players based on its design and coach from the data they provide. All the data is really mind boggling as well when look deep into it.
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Good weekend for college football. Unlike Dgage, I am a Georgia fan and had about 15 Vol fans over at my house last night since my wife is native. This is going to be a fun ride this season leading up to the four game playoff.

On another note, I made the roughly 12 hour round trip to drop off the 215RT/RM's do their new owner on Saturday. They were much easier to take down than they were going up the steps. I am hoping they will be well enjoyed in their new home.... as they were not the right speaker for my room/layout.

I will chime in on the 215RM. It was set to Full Range in my setup and did a wonderful job. Plus it played very nicely with my 8-SI18 subs..

IMO, 3 - 215RM's PLUS a great sub setup would make a very nice HT setup. Just make sure you have plenty of space between the front row and the speakers. 10-12 feet at the minimum.

Also, the sound differences between the 212 and 215 were noticeable to me. I don't think the gain from the 212 to 215 was significant enough, except in the mid bass.

Again, all subjective here and based on my setup...
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Well, I talked to Dennis ( guy with the speakers) and he sold the Noesis 212's only because he got a deal on some other speakers and the guy had some other guy that needed the money right away etc... He's keeping the S8's for now.

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Well, I talked to Dennis ( guy with the speakers) and he sold the Noesis 212's only because he got a deal on some other speakers and the guy had some other guy that needed the money right away etc... He's keeping the S8's for now.

I'm still depressed about missing out on this deal!....lol
Nate I need to give you my cell number so next time you come across a crazy deal like this you can just call me!...lol
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I don't know, seems kind of pricey to me .

Getting someone to buy your gear for you...now that's priceless!
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I wanted to kick you for saying "synergistic" but I went with Like. I cringe every time I hear "synergy" in business...

I don't think there is anything synergistic going on. It's just that the Crowns meet their specs and have the London Soundweb capability built in for the active filters. The BSS processors and a high quality amp with the proper power will work just as well. I was told my LG is fine for the task, but then I need to buy the processor and I would still need a Crown for the center channel. Might as well keep things consistent.
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I don't know, seems kind of pricey to me .

Getting someone to buy your gear for you...now that's priceless!
It's good for hobbyists to explore the outer limits of audio. It is really the only way to find out what you need.
I hope you are able to enjoy the JBL's for a good long time.

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I hope you are able to enjoy the JBL's for a good long time.
Thanks Rob.

Being a deep space audio explorer is definitely an expensive job. But someone has to do it!
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Being a deep space audio explorer is definitely an expensive job. But someone has to do it!
Wait till your kid takes up motocross.
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They can do anything they want when they have a job...
I actully meant to say you should see how expensive it is when your kid races motocross. I am using my iPad and I hate typing on it.
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I wanted to kick you for saying "synergistic" but I went with Like. I cringe every time I hear "synergy" in business...
But what about the synergy horns?
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But what about the synergy horns?
I don't think about Danley much these days since they haven't released the rumored SM60 for HT yet. Of course, the corollary is that I might not be able to stop thinking about it once they actually do release it.

Then again, I might get some time with the Cats next week in my own room so I'll be able to compare them directly to the 212HT-LP...should be fun. Not to mention, that should put to bed whether I have a 100Hz room mode (all along the front wall) that can't be tamed...or I don't have a room problem.

It looks like I'll have to rethink my stance...synergy in audio - GOOD...synergy in business - a JOKE.
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