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Looking good. Hopefully I am getting mine next week. They look good in your room. They actually look smaller in that pic. Are you going no subs? Did you have subs before?
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I had dual Orbit Shifter LFUs. I was planning on keeping one just for movies, but so far I don't see the need. The 215s put out an incredible amount of bass. I will need a new amp, because the clip lights on the crown xti 2002(800 watts into 4Ohms) is flickering at times. I have been listening to mainly music so far, although I did watch the new Captain America the other night and thought the bass was more than adequate.
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Looking good. Hopefully I am getting mine next week. They look good in your room. They actually look smaller in that pic. Are you going no subs? Did you have subs before?
I thought the same thing when I saw them...they don't look so imposing. Your room must be big.


How did you mount the 215RM on the wall....I'm sure that's a beastly speaker as well?


What are you using for surrounds? JTR's?

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They look awesome! I see you're already measuring . What's your impressions?
Man, impressions are tough this early. Last speakers were 212HTs and dual orbit shifters, and like most here I have had a good amount of speakers through my living room: Infinity, Triad, JBL, Quintuple 8's, Yorkville Unity and a couple others. I also am using Audyssey on my Onkyo 5508, so that is another variable. Although the measurements on the Omnimic say I have the responses very similar at this point. I also am using the dsp on my crown xti 2002 for the first time. And if that isn't enough I installed GIK acoustic 242 ceiling panels, as you can see in the pic. I did listen to the 212HTs with the panels, however I did not rerun audyssey after installing them. I believe I'm at the point/speaker level where room, setup, and EQ to my preference will make the most difference. I think the 215s are quite different. Slightly less clinical and warmer would be my initial opinion. Maybe that is ever so slightly more laid back? Now the bass is quite different as well. This could be due to using the dsp to raise bass levels as opposed to raising subwoofer output. This allowed me to raise mid bass as well without the crossover to the sub being the limiter. The mid bass is better, but again maybe due to the dsp work. The interesting thing is the imaging is improved as well. This could be a result of the ceiling panels. So, not sure any of this was helpful to someone trying to decide between the two. I am very interested in your opinion of the M2s after you have had some time with them. I almost went that direction myself. After all two 212s and two orbit shifters is the same price as the M2s without amps. Although I would probably buy them with the amps.
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I thought the same thing when I saw them...they don't look so imposing. Your room must be big.


How did you mount the 215RM on the wall....I'm sure that's a beastly speaker as well?


What are you using for surrounds? JTR's?
When you have to fit a speaker as big as the 215RM in your living room, and your married, you have to be creative. I built a custom recessed shelf for the 215RM into the space above the fireplace. I also did the stone work, which she wanted, so win win. Surrounds are Single 8LPs.
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When you have to fit a speaker as big as the 215RM in your living room, and your married, you have to be creative. I built a custom recessed shelf for the 215RM into the space above the fireplace. I also did the stone work, which she wanted, so win win. Surrounds are Single 8LPs.
Great job. I was going to say...there's no hanging the 215RM on the wall like that. Beautiful work!
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I had dual Orbit Shifter LFUs. I was planning on keeping one just for movies, but so far I don't see the need. The 215s put out an incredible amount of bass. I will need a new amp, because the clip lights on the crown xti 2002(800 watts into 4Ohms) is flickering at times. I have been listening to mainly music so far, although I did watch the new Captain America the other night and thought the bass was more than adequate.
I would take the advise of Mr Carp and just get the Inuke 6000. I ordered the 3000, but I think I am going to move up the the 6000 and put the 3000 away for a spare. Who knows.
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Fatsow,those 215s looks good in your ht is the 215rm the matching center for the 215,cant find on JTR site
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Fatsow,those 215s looks good in your ht is the 215rm the matching center for the 215,cant find on JTR site
Yea, it's not on the site yet. Essentially it's a chopped down 215RT. Big differences are it's sealed, and is not full range. Measurements show it goes down to 40 no problems. So far it proves to be very good for center channel duty.
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fatsow, that looks awesome! You must have tall ceilings, the 215's look small!

Here you go, that small thumbnail was bugging me.

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Changing the subject here as I often do. I got a hell of a deal on a tv today. I'd been looking for something to replace our 42 inch lcd upstairs and it looked like to get a good non smart led lcd you had to spend around 700 for a 55 inch.

Well, I recently found a deal on slick deals for 499 for a 55 inch lg lcd 2013 model at microcenter. It was one of those things were microcenter doesn't advertise that price but if you click on email me the price the email shows 499. So I called microcenter today and of course they sold out in less than a week after offering 499.

I went to Nebraska Furniture Mart and they didn't have the 2013 model anymore so no go. I then went to walmart and sure enough they still had the 2013 model but for 599 instead of 499. I asked a worker if they could price match and he said only if it's a printed add from another local store.

So, I went up to the electronics counter and figured I'd ask there too. I asked and the girl said the same thing about how it has to be a printed add but she sounded unsure of her self. I told her I had the email from microcenter that showed the price and while I was showing it to her on my phone a lady in line behind me came over and quickly and confidently said, "oh yeah, I've done that all the time walmart always matches those emails". The young girl was already flustered and quickly said, "ok, yes we can match that". The lady in line gave me a big wink. The worker called a manager over to authorize the sale. I figured he would call bs but he looked all jaded and uncaring and quickly typed in what needed to be done and left.

So, I got the 2014 tv for 499. The kicker is when I got home I realized that it wasn't the 2013 model that was on display in the store and the one that microcenter put on clearance for 499, instead it was the new 2014 model (the girl had to go the back to get the tv there weren't any boxes left by the displays).

I just checked online and the cheapest I can find the 2014 model is 679 on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics.../dp/B00KVLT08G





I feel a bit guilty since it wasn't legit but oh well. The tv looks awesome, the picture quality destroys the LG 42" we had before. That one will be going on our screened in porch.
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fatsow, that looks awesome! You must have tall ceilings, the 215's look small!

Here you go, that small thumbnail was bugging me.

Ha Ha, thanks Carp. Quick question for you. When setting the gains on my amp do I want the input and output to clip at the same time. Right now the input is clipping about 5 db before the output.
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When setting the gains on my amp do I want the input and output to clip at the same time. Right now the input is clipping about 5 db before the output.

You don't want any clipping at all on both the inputs and outputs.
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Ha Ha, thanks Carp. Quick question for you. When setting the gains on my amp do I want the input and output to clip at the same time. Right now the input is clipping about 5 db before the output.
I have it set up so that the output clips just before the input does, but the way I understand it they don't have to be that close you just want to make sure the input never clips so the output can clip long before the input clips.

So, I would change your settings so that the output clips first.

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You don't want any clipping at all on both the inputs and outputs.
True, but eventually something has to clip if you are going crazy with the volume right? When pushing the limits one of 3 things happens.

1. You clip an amp.
2. You damage a speaker/sub.
3. Your ears give out first.

Ahhhh you must be referring to #3 !
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I had a local guy offer me his fairly new 212's's for 1000$ for both today but needed the money within an hour, I had my kid and bank is closed, can't take that much out of an ATM etc (guy is old and doesn't have any electronic banking at all) blah! I phoned a friend and he went and picked them up for his HT, damn they were in perfect shape too!

As much as I wish I could have jumped on that, I did just spend almost 3K to upgrade me gaiming PC will all the best new x99 stuff yesterday, I think another 1K would have had the wife start a internal investigation LOL

What a crazy deal though! And if Jay is reading this, you're welcome you luck SOB hahahah!

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I had a local guy offer me his fairly new 212's's for 1000$ for both today but needed the money within an hour, I had my kid and bank is closed, can't take that much out of an ATM etc (guy is old and doesn't have any electronic banking at all) blah! I phoned a friend and he went and picked them up for his HT, damn they were in perfect shape too!

As much as I wish I could have jumped on that, I did just spend almost 3K to upgrade me gaiming PC will all the best new x99 stuff yesterday, I think another 1K would have had the wife start a internal investigation LOL

What a crazy deal though! And if Jay is reading this, you're welcome you luck SOB hahahah!

Are you friggin kidding me!....Nate I'm gonna have nightmares over reading that!
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@carp how was the Nebraska game yesterday on the 215's?

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Changing the subject here as I often do. I got a hell of a deal on a tv today. I'd been looking for something to replace our 42 inch lcd upstairs and it looked like to get a good non smart led lcd you had to spend around 700 for a 55 inch.

Well, I recently found a deal on slick deals for 499 for a 55 inch lg lcd 2013 model at microcenter. It was one of those things were microcenter doesn't advertise that price but if you click on email me the price the email shows 499. So I called microcenter today and of course they sold out in less than a week after offering 499.

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So, I went up to the electronics counter and figured I'd ask there too. I asked and the girl said the same thing about how it has to be a printed add but she sounded unsure of her self. I told her I had the email from microcenter that showed the price and while I was showing it to her on my phone a lady in line behind me came over and quickly and confidently said, "oh yeah, I've done that all the time walmart always matches those emails". The young girl was already flustered and quickly said, "ok, yes we can match that". The lady in line gave me a big wink. The worker called a manager over to authorize the sale. I figured he would call bs but he looked all jaded and uncaring and quickly typed in what needed to be done and left.

So, I got the 2014 tv for 499. The kicker is when I got home I realized that it wasn't the 2013 model that was on display in the store and the one that microcenter put on clearance for 499, instead it was the new 2014 model (the girl had to go the back to get the tv there weren't any boxes left by the displays).

I just checked online and the cheapest I can find the 2014 model is 679 on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics.../dp/B00KVLT08G





I feel a bit guilty since it wasn't legit but oh well. The tv looks awesome, the picture quality destroys the LG 42" we had before. That one will be going on our screened in porch.
Nice! We are thinking of putting our 50" Panasonic ST model plasma in the bedroom. I like the tall stands that have wheels so I can just roll it from the wall by the footboard up to the footboard. Kick back on a day off or late night movie time. But I have also thought about selling it. Plasmas are not being made anymore so I really don't want to. The picture quality is amazing with a 5.5 million to 1 contrast ratio and the blacks are so deep you can't hardly see letterbox bars unless you look hard. If we got rid of it the Ben Q W7000's picture would "seem" better as time goes on. But keeping and watching a bedroom movie every now and then would remind me about the contrast and black level differences. Perhaps I should sell it and get an edge lit lcd so it would make the PJ seem not so bad when it comes to black levels. But it is probably an honest 450 to 500 resale value. I haven't looked...but the prices of the new ones left have skyrocketed with plasmas not being made anymore. Best picture made so far for sure. anyway it's a dilemma

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I had a local guy offer me his fairly new 212's's for 1000$ for both today but needed the money within an hour, I had my kid and bank is closed, can't take that much out of an ATM etc (guy is old and doesn't have any electronic banking at all) blah! I phoned a friend and he went and picked them up for his HT, damn they were in perfect shape too!

As much as I wish I could have jumped on that, I did just spend almost 3K to upgrade me gaiming PC will all the best new x99 stuff yesterday, I think another 1K would have had the wife start a internal investigation LOL

What a crazy deal though! And if Jay is reading this, you're welcome you luck SOB hahahah!
OMG I am feeling like a high school girl that can't go to her senior prom!!! sigh...sigh...sigh!!!!!!! :roll eyes:

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Nice! We are thinking of putting our 50" Panasonic ST model plasma in the bedroom. I like the tall stands that have wheels so I can just roll it from the wall by the footboard up to the footboard. Kick back on a day off or late night movie time. But I have also thought about selling it. Plasmas are not being made anymore so I really don't want to. The picture quality is amazing with a 5.5 million to 1 contrast ratio and the blacks are so deep you can't hardly see letterbox bars unless you look hard. If we got rid of it the Ben Q W7000's picture would "seem" better as time goes on. But keeping and watching a bedroom movie every now and then would remind me about the contrast and black level differences. Perhaps I should sell it and get an edge lit lcd so it would make the PJ seem not so bad when it comes to black levels. But it is probably an honest 450 to 500 resale value. I haven't looked...but the prices of the new ones left have skyrocketed with plasmas not being made anymore. Best picture made so far for sure. anyway it's a dilemma
Yeah the blacks on plasmas are great but the reflections in well lit rooms seems to be a lot worse so it's all trade-offs.
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@carp how was the Nebraska game yesterday on the 215's?
I'm sad to say I'm not a very good fan these days I didn't see the game. Honestly I lost some interest when we joined the big 10.
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Yea, it's not on the site yet. Essentially it's a chopped down 215RT. Big differences are it's sealed, and is not full range. Measurements show it goes down to 40 no problems. So far it proves to be very good for center channel duty.
I really like the 215RM and Coach was running his full range. I don't have a big room and I have a strong sub system so the 215RM is my favorite JTR speaker. If you had a bigger room, not as many subs, and listen to lots of music, then the 215RT would likely be the preferred speaker of the two.
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I had a local guy offer me his fairly new 212's's for 1000$ for both today but needed the money within an hour, I had my kid and bank is closed, can't take that much out of an ATM etc (guy is old and doesn't have any electronic banking at all) blah! I phoned a friend and he went and picked them up for his HT, damn they were in perfect shape too!

As much as I wish I could have jumped on that, I did just spend almost 3K to upgrade me gaiming PC will all the best new x99 stuff yesterday, I think another 1K would have had the wife start a internal investigation LOL

What a crazy deal though! And if Jay is reading this, you're welcome you luck SOB hahahah!
Dang! Thousand bucks for a pair of 212's? And he needed the money right away? Somebody had some kind of gambling debt or something! Lol..
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@carp how was the Nebraska game yesterday on the 215's?
I'm sad to say I'm not a very good fan these days I didn't see the game. Honestly I lost some interest when we joined the big 10.
Wow, I would think you would have liked that move. We are a big Penn State family. My Father in law has been a season ticket holder for over 35 years. We get up to a game or two a year. Off to a good start.
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Dang! Thousand bucks for a pair of 212's? And he needed the money right away? Somebody had some kind of gambling debt or something! Lol..
I actually setup his room when he got them, built him a few UXL subs for his room as well, did the treatments and calibration. He had a nice place, he didn't sound panicky when he phoned lol.
I'm gonna text him tomorrow because he's got 2 sets of S8's as well! Ya never know!!

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I really like the 215RM and Coach was running his full range. I don't have a big room and I have a strong sub system so the 215RM is my favorite JTR speaker. If you had a bigger room, not as many subs, and listen to lots of music, then the 215RT would likely be the preferred speaker of the two.
Am I reading this right? Seems redundant? Did you mean to say the 212HT is your favorite JTR speaker?
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I actually setup his room when he got them, built him a few UXL subs for his room as well, did the treatments and calibration. He had a nice place, he didn't sound panicky when he phoned lol.
I'm gonna text him tomorrow because he's got 2 sets of S8's as well! Ya never know!!
If he let go the 212's for a "g". Then maybe a Frankie for the pair of S8. Then I'll definately throw up.. Lol.. And N8, lmk if you decide to pass on those S8 if he really does sell them. They could be a Atmos potential for me. Lol..
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Yeah the blacks on plasmas are great but the reflections in well lit rooms seems to be a lot worse so it's all trade-offs.
Yes, great point! Everything is all about the room!

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I really like the 215RM and Coach was running his full range. I don't have a big room and I have a strong sub system so the 215RM is my favorite JTR speaker. If you had a bigger room, not as many subs, and listen to lots of music, then the 215RT would likely be the preferred speaker of the two.
dgage.. Am I reading this right coming from you? About having a bigger room, not as many subs? Wow! What's up bro? Getting soft on us now? This is what you would normally say... If you had a bigger room, with lots of subs (DIY subs preferred), and listen to lots of music. But still need more boom? Then 215RT would likely be the preferred speaker of the two.. There, that's the dgage we know around here.. Lol.. You want me to write what N8 would say? Easy! N8- " Aw sh!t! Not enough bass yet!! " lol
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Wow, I would think you would have liked that move. We are a big Penn State family. My Father in law has been a season ticket holder for over 35 years. We get up to a game or two a year. Off to a good start.
The biggest issue for me is that when I was at Nebraska we won the national championship 3 times!! Talk about getting spoiled. I'm from KC and wasn't a Husker fan growing up (ha, in fact I was going for Miami in 84 - good lord what was wrong with me!! I'll give myself a break on that one since I was 11 years old). Anyway, a bunch of schools offered me a track scholarship and Nebraska impressed me the most on my visit.

So, I became a big fan while I was up there since we were so good (I still say the 95 team is the best college team I have ever seen, we destroyed Florida in the championship and Florida still ended up #2 in all the polls) and like I said I got completely spoiled as a fan.

After graduating I started to lose interest because Osborn retired and we weren't nearly as good. I also lost interest in college football in general with them not figuring out a playoff system and the last straw was all this conference re-alignment. I have lived in KC my whole life so I loved that Neb played KU, K-State, MU, etc. I have much less interest in watching them play a big 10 team. Hell, I wish it was still the Big 8 I didn't like the switch to the Big 12 either.

Now days the NFL is all I'm into 100%. I'm a casual fan at best of everything else.
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