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There's no getting around the fact that the M2 is a far more expensive speaker. It is possible to save a few dollars if you already have amps at an LG or other high end level with high output. But by the time you add the external processor and what amounts to a bit more complexity, it's easier to just get the crown amps they were designed with. At least that is the conclusion I came to after discussing it at length with JBL. Besides, those amps have some nice features built in.
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OK got my Triple 12LF and se it up. I tried both with and without toe and eventually settled for the toe so it covers a wider area of sweet spot. I had to run audyssey multiple time with different MLP to get an optimized sound. Somehow I was able to get both the front and the second row with optimized sound. These are really good speakers and I wonder how well the new versions sound (the one I bought is a 2009 model). I am still in the process of tuning it further but so far I believe it is ready for HT (did watch some movies and testing with challenging scenes and sounded really good).

I also tested it for stereo music and I felt that they paired pretty well with the 2 PB13 ultras that I have. Which is a huge relief as I do not want t change the subs .

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Glad to see you are going with the crown amps. They theoretically are designed matched for a synergistic result.
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Glad to see you are going with the crown amps. They theoretically are designed matched for a synergistic result.
I wanted to kick you for saying "synergistic" but I went with Like. I cringe every time I hear "synergy" in business...
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What Synergy sport tech is doing to the NBA is amazing though! Will eventually draft players based on its design and coach from the data they provide. All the data is really mind boggling as well when look deep into it.
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Good weekend for college football. Unlike Dgage, I am a Georgia fan and had about 15 Vol fans over at my house last night since my wife is native. This is going to be a fun ride this season leading up to the four game playoff.

On another note, I made the roughly 12 hour round trip to drop off the 215RT/RM's do their new owner on Saturday. They were much easier to take down than they were going up the steps. I am hoping they will be well enjoyed in their new home.... as they were not the right speaker for my room/layout.

I will chime in on the 215RM. It was set to Full Range in my setup and did a wonderful job. Plus it played very nicely with my 8-SI18 subs..

IMO, 3 - 215RM's PLUS a great sub setup would make a very nice HT setup. Just make sure you have plenty of space between the front row and the speakers. 10-12 feet at the minimum.

Also, the sound differences between the 212 and 215 were noticeable to me. I don't think the gain from the 212 to 215 was significant enough, except in the mid bass.

Again, all subjective here and based on my setup...
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Well, I talked to Dennis ( guy with the speakers) and he sold the Noesis 212's only because he got a deal on some other speakers and the guy had some other guy that needed the money right away etc... He's keeping the S8's for now.

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Well, I talked to Dennis ( guy with the speakers) and he sold the Noesis 212's only because he got a deal on some other speakers and the guy had some other guy that needed the money right away etc... He's keeping the S8's for now.

I'm still depressed about missing out on this deal!....lol
Nate I need to give you my cell number so next time you come across a crazy deal like this you can just call me!...lol
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Getting the sound you like in your room ... priceless!
I don't know, seems kind of pricey to me .

Getting someone to buy your gear for you...now that's priceless!
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I wanted to kick you for saying "synergistic" but I went with Like. I cringe every time I hear "synergy" in business...

I don't think there is anything synergistic going on. It's just that the Crowns meet their specs and have the London Soundweb capability built in for the active filters. The BSS processors and a high quality amp with the proper power will work just as well. I was told my LG is fine for the task, but then I need to buy the processor and I would still need a Crown for the center channel. Might as well keep things consistent.
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I don't know, seems kind of pricey to me .

Getting someone to buy your gear for you...now that's priceless!
It's good for hobbyists to explore the outer limits of audio. It is really the only way to find out what you need.
I hope you are able to enjoy the JBL's for a good long time.

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It's good for hobbyists to explore the outer limits of audio. It is really the only way to find out what you need.
I hope you are able to enjoy the JBL's for a good long time.
Thanks Rob.

Being a deep space audio explorer is definitely an expensive job. But someone has to do it!
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Thanks Rob.

Being a deep space audio explorer is definitely an expensive job. But someone has to do it!
Wait till your kid takes up motocross.
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Wait till your kid takes up motocross.
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They can do anything they want when they have a job...
I actully meant to say you should see how expensive it is when your kid races motocross. I am using my iPad and I hate typing on it.
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Yea, I know what you meant. That's what my dad told me. It was a pretty good life lesson.
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I wanted to kick you for saying "synergistic" but I went with Like. I cringe every time I hear "synergy" in business...
But what about the synergy horns?
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But what about the synergy horns?
I don't think about Danley much these days since they haven't released the rumored SM60 for HT yet. Of course, the corollary is that I might not be able to stop thinking about it once they actually do release it.

Then again, I might get some time with the Cats next week in my own room so I'll be able to compare them directly to the 212HT-LP...should be fun. Not to mention, that should put to bed whether I have a 100Hz room mode (all along the front wall) that can't be tamed...or I don't have a room problem.

It looks like I'll have to rethink my stance...synergy in audio - GOOD...synergy in business - a JOKE.
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That's hilarious
Yeah but now I'm nervous since I told Dave how much I love the 215's... I hope his impressions are more like mine than Coach or dgage!
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Yeah but now I'm nervous since I told Dave how much I love the 215's... I hope his impressions are more like mine than Coach or dgage!
I think the #1 issue I had with the 215's, was the distance of my first row from the speakers. Being only 8.5-9 feet back didn't allow them to open up to their full potential in my room, IMO. I feel 100% that these need a minimum of 10, maybe 12 feet to really sound good. When I sat that far back, they had a different sound to me.

#2 issue was, they were too big for my room. The size of the 212's and the Cat-12's are much better for my room.

In summary, if you have a smaller room and love the sound of your 212's....and are 80-100% HT, stick with them and address any mid bass issues you might have. Just my opinion after spending the last month and a half stressing over this hobby... lol
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I think the #1 issue I had with the 215's, was the distance of my first row from the speakers. Being only 8.5-9 feet back didn't allow them to open up to their full potential in my room, IMO. I feel 100% that these need a minimum of 10, maybe 12 feet to really sound good. When I sat that far back, they had a different sound to me.

#2 issue was, they were too big for my room. The size of the 212's and the Cat-12's are much better for my room.

In summary, if you have a smaller room and love the sound of your 212's....and are 80-100% HT, stick with them and address any mid bass issues you might have. Just my opinion after spending the last month and a half stressing over this hobby... lol

I still feel bad they weren't a home run for you.... even though I think you actually bought yours first right? Whewwww I'm off the hook!
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I'm sure Dave is aware that buying a speaker unheard carries some risk .
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I still feel bad they weren't a home run for you.... even though I think you actually bought yours first right? Whewwww I'm off the hook!
I am in a good "speaker place" now.... Very please with how things are sounding.

Next up is some tweaking of my subs and a surround upgrade...
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I think the #1 issue I had with the 215's, was the distance of my first row from the speakers. Being only 8.5-9 feet back didn't allow them to open up to their full potential in my room, IMO. I feel 100% that these need a minimum of 10, maybe 12 feet to really sound good. When I sat that far back, they had a different sound to me.

#2 issue was, they were too big for my room. The size of the 212's and the Cat-12's are much better for my room.

In summary, if you have a smaller room and love the sound of your 212's....and are 80-100% HT, stick with them and address any mid bass issues you might have. Just my opinion after spending the last month and a half stressing over this hobby... lol
I have about the same size room. So I wonder if this will be a problem for me? I will easily be able to sit 11' maybe more. We shall soon see.

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Yeah but now I'm nervous since I told Dave how much I love the 215's... I hope his impressions are more like mine than Coach or dgage!
I think you and I have some the same impressions of a speaker. I am pretty sure I will like them just fine. If not, on to the next. The 212s are staying in the family, so I will move them right back in. I think most of us know you can on rely on yourself for speakers. The nice thing is that the longer you go around here and the more events and people you get to know, you can really get sense of what you all have in common and like. Chances are that if most of the people you talk with like something, chances are you will like it yourself. I felt safer knowing that you liked the 215's and felt they were a step up vs the 212. I was more willing to roll the dice know you felt this way. I rolled the dice with the 212 and have yet to find anything I like better other than the SM60F, but that is complicated. If the 215's don't work out I am done and the 212's will become my world champion speaker.

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I don't think about Danley much these days since they haven't released the rumored SM60 for HT yet. Of course, the corollary is that I might not be able to stop thinking about it once they actually do release it.

Then again, I might get some time with the Cats next week in my own room so I'll be able to compare them directly to the 212HT-LP...should be fun. Not to mention, that should put to bed whether I have a 100Hz room mode (all along the front wall) that can't be tamed...or I don't have a room problem.
Sounds fun! Remember to keep things in perspective. The full range CAT12's jaded me something fierce at one of @Gorilla83 GTG's a while back. They are just awesome to experience in full range.
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