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Dave, did you take any after pictures?
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Dave, did you take any after pictures?
No, I figure the next pictures I will take it will all be decked out. It looks great. I have been out fooling around the mini split AC unit. Don't need it today, but the thing is cool. The last week has been unbelievably hot and humid and today is cool and rainy, figures. Seen it is supposed to get really cool out in the midlands next week. Get the morning sweaters out.

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No, I figure the next pictures I will take it will all be decked out. It looks great. I have been out fooling around the mini split AC unit. Don't need it today, but the thing is cool. The last week has been unbelievably hot and humid and today is cool and rainy, figures. Seen it is supposed to get really cool out in the midlands next week. Get the morning sweaters out.
Dave, are you gonna team up with Primate Audio and offer a flat pack to the public? What is the port tune of those bad boys? Could be a couple nice replacements for Submersives Also is it public info on the cost of the HST?
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Dave, are you gonna team up with Primate Audio and offer a flat pack to the public? What is the port tune of those bad boys? Could be a couple nice replacements for Submersives Also is it public info on the cost of the HST?

If they did you could sell your SubM HP's and probably buy four HST18's and four of these flat packs! And get two inuke 6000's to power them.
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If they did you could sell your SubM HP's and probably buy four HST18's and four of these flat packs! And get two inuke 6000's to power them.
I like the "look" of the height. Seems comparable to a subversive. Then again I am in a small room and my submersives act as LR speaker stands. Not for that but because they measure best raw response at the 1/4 and 3/4 points on the front wall. Speaker stands are just a bonus. But those may not be able to be speaker stands. I couldn't say as my experience levels with diverse levels of gear are much less than the norm around here.
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I like the "look" of the height. Seems comparable to a subversive. Then again I am in a small room and my submersives act as LR speaker stands. Not for that but because they measure best raw response at the 1/4 and 3/4 points on the front wall. Speaker stands are just a bonus. But those may not be able to be speaker stands. I couldn't say as my experience levels with diverse levels of gear are much less than the norm around here.
You could use row as L&R speakers stands and run two in the back near field! That would be crazy, I'm sure Andrew would make you four cabinets if you asked and the HST-18's I think are $550ea shipped. Should be no reason why you couldn't sell the SubM's quickly.
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Well guys I'm a new owner as my trio of Triple 12HT's just shipped from JTR today and I'm really looking forward to them! I just parted with a set of Def Tech BP7001SC and a CLR 3000 and I'm hoping I'll be impressed with the change.
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Well guys I'm a new owner as my trio of Triple 12HT's just shipped from JTR today and I'm really looking forward to them! I just parted with a set of Def Tech BP7001SC and a CLR 3000 and I'm hoping I'll be impressed with the change.
Congrats!
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Well guys I'm a new owner as my trio of Triple 12HT's just shipped from JTR today and I'm really looking forward to them! I just parted with a set of Def Tech BP7001SC and a CLR 3000 and I'm hoping I'll be impressed with the change.
HA! I came from Def Tech BP 8060's, CS 8040 and 4 other DT channels. They absolutely blow them out of the water! I actually heard my old speakers 7 weeks ago and it reminded me of the wide chasm you are crossing, that I have crossed. I only have Triple 8's but...You can play reference and beyond with zero distortion. It's like going from high school freshman JV football to the NFL being an average player/supporting role. I only save the super star position for speakers like the Noesis line and the new RT line. You have speakers that can hold their own against the big dogs
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It's all downhill from here.

I agree about the 4 15"s. The zacjones IB demo left me (even with 6 15's) wanting more bass. I'm afraid I'd have to go IB to get there and it just isn't in this years plan. Down the road ... maybe ...
^---- I'll keep an eye out for you if I come accross any Orbit Shifters for sale.
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Well guys I'm a new owner as my trio of Triple 12HT's just shipped from JTR today and I'm really looking forward to them! I just parted with a set of Def Tech BP7001SC and a CLR 3000 and I'm hoping I'll be impressed with the change.
Congrats and welcome to the JTR family
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^---- I'll keep an eye out for you if I come accross any Orbit Shifters for sale.
Rob won't buy them unless they are the new Orbit Shifter XL 2000 turbomatics!!!!!
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I think Rob's just posturing for Jeff's newest upcoming sub offering...


I mean, no way someone would say something like this, only to come back a few months later to say something like that.
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Oh yeah...and so glad to hear your paint job turned out nice and was taken care of...I know how frustrating those sorts of things can be.
Haha, I like how you guys have "self-branded" my products.

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Dave, are you gonna team up with Primate Audio and offer a flat pack to the public? What is the port tune of those bad boys? Could be a couple nice replacements for Submersives Also is it public info on the cost of the HST?
Port tune is ~18hz or so with a 44" inch long port. They are fairly large enclosures (22"w, 25"h, 36.75"d), but should offer substantial output especially around port tune. Using the D2 drivers they would make a great match paired with a channel of the inuke 6000. A couple thousand watts into one driver puts them at about a ~10db advantage from my SIHT18 in a sealed 4 cube cabinet around port tune (18-22hz).

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You could use row as L&R speakers stands and run two in the back near field! That would be crazy, I'm sure Andrew would make you four cabinets if you asked and the HST-18's I think are $550ea shipped. Should be no reason why you couldn't sell the SubM's quickly.
I believe Nick is wanting to list the drivers @ 589 shipped. I may be ordering a bunch in bulk (especially when combining purchasing power with @dgage ) so potentially could help someone out that needed a few units.
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LOL, no I don't have anything to contribute. This is all Andrews skill.
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If Andrew lived near me he would be getting a lot of free beer..A LOT!!!!! And I would have 27 subs
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26 + 1 for smoothing...

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Hi

I recently bought a used LCR Triple 12s and once I had it set up and run the audyssey I notice that audyssey sets all three speakers to -12. I have experienced this with my surrounds (Klipsch) and I used RCA cable instead of XLR for those to get it in the manageable range. I am planning on doing the same with the JTRs as well. While I am waiting for the cables to arrive I have a quick question regarding the sound I am hearing.

The center and right speakers are around 14 inches from the front wall (behind the speakers) and the left speaker is around 8 inches from the wall. I do have the wall treated with acoustic panels (Roxul 60 2" thick floor to ceiling). Now, when I play the speaker test tones, I feel that the Left sounded less "bright" than the center and right speakers. I am assuming it is because of the less distance it has from the wall. Could this cause such a clear difference in sound or there is something wrong with the left speaker. FYI the left and right speakers are 2 ft away from their respective side walls. They are behind an AT screen and the distance from the AT screen would be around 5in.

Please let me know your thoughts. As I am aware that this sound difference is there it is bothering me while I am watching movies as I feel that the center and right are producing more volume than the left . I think it could be due to Audyssey setting as well so I am planning or retesting it once I get the RCA cables that way I can boost the signals and test it. Anyway thought I would explain and see whether anyone else faced a similar situation.

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Hi

I recently bought a used LCR Triple 12s and once I had it set up and run the audyssey I notice that audyssey sets all three speakers to -12. I have experienced this with my surrounds (Klipsch) and I used RCA cable instead of XLR for those to get it in the manageable range. I am planning on doing the same with the JTRs as well. While I am waiting for the cables to arrive I have a quick question regarding the sound I am hearing.

The center and right speakers are around 14 inches from the front wall (behind the speakers) and the left speaker is around 8 inches from the wall. I do have the wall treated with acoustic panels (Roxul 60 2" thick floor to ceiling). Now, when I play the speaker test tones, I feel that the Left sounded less "bright" than the center and right speakers. I am assuming it is because of the less distance it has from the wall. Could this cause such a clear difference in sound or there is something wrong with the left speaker. FYI the left and right speakers are 2 ft away from their respective side walls. They are behind an AT screen and the distance from the AT screen would be around 5in.

Please let me know your thoughts. As I am aware that this sound difference is there it is bothering me while I am watching movies as I feel that the center and right are producing more volume than the left . I think it could be due to Audyssey setting as well so I am planning or retesting it once I get the RCA cables that way I can boost the signals and test it. Anyway thought I would explain and see whether anyone else faced a similar situation.

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Just swap the left and right speakers and see if the problem moves or not.
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Just swap the left and right speakers and see if the problem moves or not.
Yes, that is another option I thought about but unfortunately the set up is little complex and does not cater to easy swapping of speakers (a lesson learned based on the first time HT build). I would need help from someone other than my wife (as she is not ready to do that again like getting the wall panels out, bringing the 160" wide screen down and helping me move these 125lb speakers and then put the screen and panels back no idea why as it sounds really fun ). I think that would be one of the options I need to consider if the testing after replacing RCA cable does not solve it.

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Yes, that is another option I thought about but unfortunately the set up is little complex and does not cater to easy swapping of speakers (a lesson learned based on the first time HT build). I would need help from someone other than my wife (as she is not ready to do that again like getting the wall panels out, bringing the 160" wide screen down and helping me move these 125lb speakers and then put the screen and panels back no idea why as it sounds really fun ). I think that would be one of the options I need to consider if the testing after replacing RCA cable does not solve it.

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Just switch the wires?
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Also is it public info on the cost of the HST?
As soon as I get a chance to put Nick's new site into production, it will be (see attachment). And shipping to the lower 48 is only $1.
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Yes, that is another option I thought about but unfortunately the set up is little complex and does not cater to easy swapping of speakers (a lesson learned based on the first time HT build). I would need help from someone other than my wife (as she is not ready to do that again like getting the wall panels out, bringing the 160" wide screen down and helping me move these 125lb speakers and then put the screen and panels back no idea why as it sounds really fun ). I think that would be one of the options I need to consider if the testing after replacing RCA cable does not solve it.

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Do you have a measurement mic you can use with REW? If so then just do a near-field measurement of your speakers and you'll easily identify if there is an issue. If one of the speakers is different, swap the speaker wire to make sure it isn't a signal issue. If the problem persists then it is a speaker issue, otherwise it could be a signal or room issue. But since you're talking higher frequencies ON-AXIS, the room wouldn't affect that much at all.

If you don't have any measuring equipment, two popular options are the MiniDSP UMIK-1 and Dayton Omnimic. I would normally say get a USB mic from Cross-Spectrum but the guy hasn't emailed me back from last week.

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Yes, that is another option I thought about but unfortunately the set up is little complex and does not cater to easy swapping of speakers (a lesson learned based on the first time HT build). I would need help from someone other than my wife (as she is not ready to do that again like getting the wall panels out, bringing the 160" wide screen down and helping me move these 125lb speakers and then put the screen and panels back no idea why as it sounds really fun ). I think that would be one of the options I need to consider if the testing after replacing RCA cable does not solve it.

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Try playing music through them and listen to the coaxial drivers (most likely the center position) and see if they all sound clear. If not, you need to remove the Coaxial speaker on the speaker in question and check the connections at the speaker and the crossover. Are these seanile's Triple 12's?

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Just switch the wires?
Hmm, I am not sure that would help as the speaker is still in the same location, correct?. As the doubt is whether the location is causing the problem or the speaker is having a problem. The signal is good as I had the previous speakers tested through this. I think when I noticed it in the initial set up I should have changed but as I was eager to complete the set up and test it with some movies, I just went with it. Anyway, I am hoping that the RCA cables switch would give enough room for me to maneuver the db level so I can see whether it is really a problem with the location or not. If not then speaker could be it and I can take the next action of swapping the speakers.

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Good idea to test your "new" speakers BEFORE putting them into a difficult to access position ( ) but try playing music through them and listen to the coaxial drivers (most likely the center position) and see if they all sound clear. If not, you need to remove the Coaxial speaker on the speaker in question and check the connections at the speaker and the crossover. Are these seanile's Triple 12's?
Yup you are absolutely right that I should have tested them thoroughly before I placed the screen but the eagerness to listen to them pushed me to take short cuts. .

Yes these are seanile's. I was wondering whether the closeness to the wall boundaries is causing this as these are 2008 models. Anyway, I got that thought only by reading on this thread so not sure how to confirm it other than the steps I am taking at this time.

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Yup you are absolutely right that I should have tested them thoroughly before I placed the screen but the eagerness to listen to them pushed me to take short cuts. .

Yes these are seanile's. I was wondering whether the closeness to the wall boundaries is causing this as these are 2008 models. Anyway, I got that thought only by reading on this thread so not sure how to confirm it other than the steps I am taking at this time.

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I removed my measure twice, cut once comment but I see you quoted before I did my edit . In any case, these are older speakers and it might be a wire has come loose from a connector (the drivers are pretty bullet proof). If all the coaxes/woofers sound good then it is something else . I don't think it is position related and would bet it is the speakers coaxial compression driver that is the culprit.

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I removed my measure twice, cut once comment but I see you quoted before I did my edit . In any case, these are older speakers and it might be a wire has come loose from a connector (the drivers are pretty bullet proof). If all the coaxes/woofers sound good then it is something else . I don't think it is position related and would bet it is the speakers coaxial compression driver that is the culprit.

BTW, nice Theater ...
RMK! has a good point. I mounted my Slanted 8s from the inside so I had to remove the drivers...on two speakers I had to redo the crimp terminals on the crossovers. Also, one of my 212s had a loose connection when I received it so RMK! might have hit the nail on the head.

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