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LOL. However the walls got extra nails and extra screws. Also good solid plywood all around. It should hold. 4 15's will not be enough bass. Two ported 18's from Primate Audio will give me the finishing touch for now. I definitely need 4 more for near field down the road.
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LOL. However the walls got extra nails and extra screws. Also good solid plywood all around. It should hold. 4 15's will not be enough bass. Two ported 18's from Primate Audio will give me the finishing touch for now. Might need 2 more for near field down the road.


Anyway, painters came today. The owner himself with his best guy came and redid the whole room. I went last night and picked up a can of Disney Mouse Ears from the Orange store. He was a little hesitant to use it at first, but then he said whatever I want and he winded up liking it. I came out when it was done and the black looks fantastic. He said the Behr Mouse Ear flat black was good stuff. Anybody painting black in the future, consider using it. It is real thick and dries really nice. The other black I heard that was good was the Rosco black which I heard good things about it. The blackest, most flat paint. Period.
I also finished the install of the mini split. The AC guy has it pressure testing now. As soon as he pulls the plug, the construction is finished.

Now I got my work cut out for me. Gotta get the Single 8's mounted, screen up, chairs in and I have to move those refrigerators into place. Hopefully I am up and running Wednesday night. I gotta say the 215's are one good looking speaker.
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I agree about the 4 15"s. The zacjones IB demo left me (even with 6 15's) wanting more bass. I'm afraid I'd have to go IB to get there and it just isn't in this years plan. Down the road ... maybe ...
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LOL. However the walls got extra nails and extra screws. Also good solid plywood all around. It should hold. 4 15's will not be enough bass. Two ported 18's from Primate Audio will give me the finishing touch for now. Might need 2 more for near field down the road.


Anyway, painters came today. The owner himself with his best guy came and redid the whole room. I went last night and picked up a can of Disney Mouse Ears from the Orange store. He was a little hesitant to use it at first, but then he said whatever I want and he winded up liking it. I came out when it was done and the black looks fantastic. He said the Behr Mouse Ear flat black was good stuff. Anybody painting black in the future, consider using it. It is real thick and dries really nice. The other black I heard that was good was the Rosco black which I heard good things about it. The blackest, most flat paint. Period.
I also finished the install of the mini split. The AC guy has it pressure testing now. As soon as he pulls the plug, the construction is finished.

Now I got my work cut out for me. Gotta get the Single 8's mounted, screen up, chairs in and I have to move those refrigerators into place. Hopefully I am up and running Wednesday night. I gotta say the 215's are one good looking speaker.
The Rosco paint can be tricky to apply. I used it for my ceiling with mixed results. It looks more gray than black after the application. Again, this is a subjective opinion, but I went to Benjamin More and asked for the blackest color they could mix. They used a base that was one step up from their contractor line and mixed as much black as they could, from the discussion of those who know paint on this board, mouse ears and this mix are probably one in the same...since mix as described was the same as mouse ears. It was much easier to paint and I think the results are better for both appearance and reflections. Again, this is one person's experience. Sounds like the behr ME turned out nicely.

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The Rosco paint can be tricky to apply. I used it for my ceiling with mixed results. It looks more gray than black after the application. Again, this is a subjective opinion, but I went to Benjamin More and asked for the blackest color they could mix. They used a base that was one step up from their contractor line and mixed as much black as they could, from the discussion of those who know paint on this board, mouse ears and this mix are probably one in the same...since mix as described was the same as mouse ears. It was much easier to paint and I think the results are better for both appearance and reflections. Again, this is one person's experience. Sounds like the behr ME turned out nicely.

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The black the painter used here first was Benjamin More black and it was light compared to the Mouse ears, probably a little grayish. I had heard the Rosco was tricky, so I just stayed away from it, not to mention I would have had to order it. I am honestly happy with the Mouse ears and it easy to get, I mixed it with Behr flat matte with primer. You have to ask for it and demand for them to make it if they say they done make it. In the end I had bought about 4 gallons of Mouse ears, the first girl at HD knew what it was and mixed it right up. The other 2 gallons were mixed by two different guys and they both shook their heads and said no, they don't have Mouse ears in the system anymore. I had to make them look it up.
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Oh yeah...and so glad to hear your paint job turned out nice and was taken care of...I know how frustrating those sorts of things can be.
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No, I figure the next pictures I will take it will all be decked out. It looks great. I have been out fooling around the mini split AC unit. Don't need it today, but the thing is cool. The last week has been unbelievably hot and humid and today is cool and rainy, figures. Seen it is supposed to get really cool out in the midlands next week. Get the morning sweaters out.

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Primate Audio.....I love it! Great name...better guy behind it!

Oh yeah...and so glad to hear your paint job turned out nice and was taken care of...I know how frustrating those sorts of things can be.
I hear they never get any work done because they are always monkey'n around! Sorry, I had to!
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No, I figure the next pictures I will take it will all be decked out. It looks great. I have been out fooling around the mini split AC unit. Don't need it today, but the thing is cool. The last week has been unbelievably hot and humid and today is cool and rainy, figures. Seen it is supposed to get really cool out in the midlands next week. Get the morning sweaters out.
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Dave, are you gonna team up with Primate Audio and offer a flat pack to the public? What is the port tune of those bad boys? Could be a couple nice replacements for Submersives Also is it public info on the cost of the HST?

If they did you could sell your SubM HP's and probably buy four HST18's and four of these flat packs! And get two inuke 6000's to power them.
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If they did you could sell your SubM HP's and probably buy four HST18's and four of these flat packs! And get two inuke 6000's to power them.
I like the "look" of the height. Seems comparable to a subversive. Then again I am in a small room and my submersives act as LR speaker stands. Not for that but because they measure best raw response at the 1/4 and 3/4 points on the front wall. Speaker stands are just a bonus. But those may not be able to be speaker stands. I couldn't say as my experience levels with diverse levels of gear are much less than the norm around here.

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I like the "look" of the height. Seems comparable to a subversive. Then again I am in a small room and my submersives act as LR speaker stands. Not for that but because they measure best raw response at the 1/4 and 3/4 points on the front wall. Speaker stands are just a bonus. But those may not be able to be speaker stands. I couldn't say as my experience levels with diverse levels of gear are much less than the norm around here.
You could use row as L&R speakers stands and run two in the back near field! That would be crazy, I'm sure Andrew would make you four cabinets if you asked and the HST-18's I think are $550ea shipped. Should be no reason why you couldn't sell the SubM's quickly.
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Well guys I'm a new owner as my trio of Triple 12HT's just shipped from JTR today and I'm really looking forward to them! I just parted with a set of Def Tech BP7001SC and a CLR 3000 and I'm hoping I'll be impressed with the change.
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Well guys I'm a new owner as my trio of Triple 12HT's just shipped from JTR today and I'm really looking forward to them! I just parted with a set of Def Tech BP7001SC and a CLR 3000 and I'm hoping I'll be impressed with the change.
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Well guys I'm a new owner as my trio of Triple 12HT's just shipped from JTR today and I'm really looking forward to them! I just parted with a set of Def Tech BP7001SC and a CLR 3000 and I'm hoping I'll be impressed with the change.
HA! I came from Def Tech BP 8060's, CS 8040 and 4 other DT channels. They absolutely blow them out of the water! I actually heard my old speakers 7 weeks ago and it reminded me of the wide chasm you are crossing, that I have crossed. I only have Triple 8's but...You can play reference and beyond with zero distortion. It's like going from high school freshman JV football to the NFL being an average player/supporting role. I only save the super star position for speakers like the Noesis line and the new RT line. You have speakers that can hold their own against the big dogs

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It's all downhill from here.

I agree about the 4 15"s. The zacjones IB demo left me (even with 6 15's) wanting more bass. I'm afraid I'd have to go IB to get there and it just isn't in this years plan. Down the road ... maybe ...
^---- I'll keep an eye out for you if I come accross any Orbit Shifters for sale.
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Congrats and welcome to the JTR family
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^---- I'll keep an eye out for you if I come accross any Orbit Shifters for sale.
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I think Rob's just posturing for Jeff's newest upcoming sub offering...


I mean, no way someone would say something like this, only to come back a few months later to say something like that.
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I love it! Great name...better guy behind it!

Oh yeah...and so glad to hear your paint job turned out nice and was taken care of...I know how frustrating those sorts of things can be.
Haha, I like how you guys have "self-branded" my products.

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Dave, are you gonna team up with Primate Audio and offer a flat pack to the public? What is the port tune of those bad boys? Could be a couple nice replacements for Submersives Also is it public info on the cost of the HST?
Port tune is ~18hz or so with a 44" inch long port. They are fairly large enclosures (22"w, 25"h, 36.75"d), but should offer substantial output especially around port tune. Using the D2 drivers they would make a great match paired with a channel of the inuke 6000. A couple thousand watts into one driver puts them at about a ~10db advantage from my SIHT18 in a sealed 4 cube cabinet around port tune (18-22hz).

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You could use row as L&R speakers stands and run two in the back near field! That would be crazy, I'm sure Andrew would make you four cabinets if you asked and the HST-18's I think are $550ea shipped. Should be no reason why you couldn't sell the SubM's quickly.
I believe Nick is wanting to list the drivers @ 589 shipped. I may be ordering a bunch in bulk (especially when combining purchasing power with @dgage ) so potentially could help someone out that needed a few units.
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LOL, no I don't have anything to contribute. This is all Andrews skill.
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I recently bought a used LCR Triple 12s and once I had it set up and run the audyssey I notice that audyssey sets all three speakers to -12. I have experienced this with my surrounds (Klipsch) and I used RCA cable instead of XLR for those to get it in the manageable range. I am planning on doing the same with the JTRs as well. While I am waiting for the cables to arrive I have a quick question regarding the sound I am hearing.

The center and right speakers are around 14 inches from the front wall (behind the speakers) and the left speaker is around 8 inches from the wall. I do have the wall treated with acoustic panels (Roxul 60 2" thick floor to ceiling). Now, when I play the speaker test tones, I feel that the Left sounded less "bright" than the center and right speakers. I am assuming it is because of the less distance it has from the wall. Could this cause such a clear difference in sound or there is something wrong with the left speaker. FYI the left and right speakers are 2 ft away from their respective side walls. They are behind an AT screen and the distance from the AT screen would be around 5in.

Please let me know your thoughts. As I am aware that this sound difference is there it is bothering me while I am watching movies as I feel that the center and right are producing more volume than the left . I think it could be due to Audyssey setting as well so I am planning or retesting it once I get the RCA cables that way I can boost the signals and test it. Anyway thought I would explain and see whether anyone else faced a similar situation.

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I recently bought a used LCR Triple 12s and once I had it set up and run the audyssey I notice that audyssey sets all three speakers to -12. I have experienced this with my surrounds (Klipsch) and I used RCA cable instead of XLR for those to get it in the manageable range. I am planning on doing the same with the JTRs as well. While I am waiting for the cables to arrive I have a quick question regarding the sound I am hearing.

The center and right speakers are around 14 inches from the front wall (behind the speakers) and the left speaker is around 8 inches from the wall. I do have the wall treated with acoustic panels (Roxul 60 2" thick floor to ceiling). Now, when I play the speaker test tones, I feel that the Left sounded less "bright" than the center and right speakers. I am assuming it is because of the less distance it has from the wall. Could this cause such a clear difference in sound or there is something wrong with the left speaker. FYI the left and right speakers are 2 ft away from their respective side walls. They are behind an AT screen and the distance from the AT screen would be around 5in.

Please let me know your thoughts. As I am aware that this sound difference is there it is bothering me while I am watching movies as I feel that the center and right are producing more volume than the left . I think it could be due to Audyssey setting as well so I am planning or retesting it once I get the RCA cables that way I can boost the signals and test it. Anyway thought I would explain and see whether anyone else faced a similar situation.

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Just swap the left and right speakers and see if the problem moves or not.
Yes, that is another option I thought about but unfortunately the set up is little complex and does not cater to easy swapping of speakers (a lesson learned based on the first time HT build). I would need help from someone other than my wife (as she is not ready to do that again like getting the wall panels out, bringing the 160" wide screen down and helping me move these 125lb speakers and then put the screen and panels back no idea why as it sounds really fun ). I think that would be one of the options I need to consider if the testing after replacing RCA cable does not solve it.

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Yes, that is another option I thought about but unfortunately the set up is little complex and does not cater to easy swapping of speakers (a lesson learned based on the first time HT build). I would need help from someone other than my wife (as she is not ready to do that again like getting the wall panels out, bringing the 160" wide screen down and helping me move these 125lb speakers and then put the screen and panels back no idea why as it sounds really fun ). I think that would be one of the options I need to consider if the testing after replacing RCA cable does not solve it.

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Also is it public info on the cost of the HST?
As soon as I get a chance to put Nick's new site into production, it will be (see attachment). And shipping to the lower 48 is only $1.
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Yes, that is another option I thought about but unfortunately the set up is little complex and does not cater to easy swapping of speakers (a lesson learned based on the first time HT build). I would need help from someone other than my wife (as she is not ready to do that again like getting the wall panels out, bringing the 160" wide screen down and helping me move these 125lb speakers and then put the screen and panels back no idea why as it sounds really fun ). I think that would be one of the options I need to consider if the testing after replacing RCA cable does not solve it.

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Do you have a measurement mic you can use with REW? If so then just do a near-field measurement of your speakers and you'll easily identify if there is an issue. If one of the speakers is different, swap the speaker wire to make sure it isn't a signal issue. If the problem persists then it is a speaker issue, otherwise it could be a signal or room issue. But since you're talking higher frequencies ON-AXIS, the room wouldn't affect that much at all.

If you don't have any measuring equipment, two popular options are the MiniDSP UMIK-1 and Dayton Omnimic. I would normally say get a USB mic from Cross-Spectrum but the guy hasn't emailed me back from last week.

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