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You guys are sick and it is contagious. Every time I read this thread I feel like I need to order more

But I am sticking with my triple 12s and 4x triple 8s and 4 f2s. But I will keep reading and feel like I have the smallest manhood here
Yeah...this is contagious....it's a never ending saga.

4 f2's...wow...you need to let us know how that sounds and how they blend with the JTR's.

Is that 4 Master's or Master/Slave combos?

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Awesome. Congrats! After reading the review of RMK's theater some posts back I'm sure you're chomping at the bit to get them.

The new toy anticipation is probably one of the things that keeps us upgrading, lol.
Thank you....it was just about 7 hours ago I talked with Jeff and it feels like it was forever ago. Man I can't wait.

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Are the Triads still in place up front next to the 212's? You may be getting sympathetic vibrations that are creating that broad dip at 200hz. stranger things have happened.
I think it is because the center of the speaker is equidistant from the floor and both corner walls. REW's room sim is showing the same dip. It might be the sympathetic vibrations, though. I hadn't thought of that. I wonder if my wife will be sympathetic when I tell her she has to help me get them off the stands.


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Yes..I'm really hoping so.

My room is:

12' wide
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So I'm good with length and height. It was the width that was causing me some hesitancy with getting the 215's but I decided what the heck let's go for it. I'll work with what I have to get the best sound from them. My current LCR speakers are McIntosh, 2 SL-6 and HT-1 for center. They served me well but it's time to move on. My plan for the 215RT's is to run them full range (for now) and see what that sounds like. With my processor (Yamaha CX-A5000) if you say no subs it will route LFE and everything below the x-over to the L/R speakers...so I'll play around with that for now.


Yeah that is pretty narrow but I bet you can make it work. Make sure you have a way to eq the bass on the 215's to your liking when running them full range.

Hmmm never heard McIntosh speakers.

Are you setting them up in another room?


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Yeah that is pretty narrow but I bet you can make it work. Make sure you have a way to eq the bass on the 215's to your liking when running them full range.

Hmmm never heard McIntosh speakers.

Are you setting them up in another room?
Nah...going to sell them cheap to a friend. I've had them for years.

What kind of eq would you suggest?

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Nah...going to sell them cheap to a friend. I've had them for years.

What kind of eq would you suggest?

A minidsp or an inuke with dsp would be great. The inuke 6000 dsp will give significantly more headroom than the 3000 dsp, I'm using the 3000 dsp though since 99 percent of the time the output is more than enough and I don't want to spend any money right now.

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It's endlessly tweakable. You can select how steep you want the house curve, where it starts, how much boost, etc. and just keep experimenting on the fly until you settle on what you like.


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A minidsp or an inuke with dsp would be great. The inuke 6000 dsp will give significantly more headroom than the 3000 dsp, I'm using the 3000 dsp though since 99 percent of the time the output is more than enough and I don't want to spend any money right now.

The inuke dynamic eq function is so great at setting up a house curve to your liking. Here is an example:



It's endlessly tweakable. You can select how steep you want the house curve, where it starts, how much boost, etc. and just keep experimenting on the fly until you settle on what you like.
Yeah, I know lots of guys like the inukes. My only issue is my equipment is in another room and the inuke doesn't have a trigger input and it would be a pain to manually power it on/off. Do you have a way to remote turn on?

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Yeah, I know lots of guys like the inukes. My only issue is my equipment is in another room and the inuke doesn't have a trigger input and it would be a pain to manually power it on/off. Do you have a way to remote turn on?

That's even better! Then you don't have to listen to the fans!...lol
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Yeah, I know lots of guys like the inukes. My only issue is my equipment is in another room and the inuke doesn't have a trigger input and it would be a pain to manually power it on/off. Do you have a way to remote turn on?
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Yes..I'm really hoping so.

My room is:

12' wide
23' long
10' high

So I'm good with length and height. It was the width that was causing me some hesitancy with getting the 215's but I decided what the heck let's go for it. I'll work with what I have to get the best sound from them. My current LCR speakers are McIntosh, 2 SL-6 and HT-1 for center. They served me well but it's time to move on. My plan for the 215RT's is to run them full range (for now) and see what that sounds like. With my processor (Yamaha CX-A5000) if you say no subs it will route LFE and everything below the x-over to the L/R speakers...so I'll play around with that for now.
We have really similar rooms, although mine is 13 feet wide and Iève got the 215s. You will have no issues at all man, I really dont understand why guys think just because the speaker is big, it needs some giant space to sound its best....
Thats simply not true. You will be rockin out and loving it!

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AND? Have you fired up the 7k yet?
Yes I have. It is a nice PJ for sure. The colors, the definition teamed with my Oppo 103D Darbee video processing is very nice. The only thing is black levels not as good but a step better than the 1070 and it doesn't "ruin" the experience lol! I would say the definition and sharpness of the picture is only shortly behind my TV. I am very happy in that regard. I am not a huge videophile and I am 100% satisfied for what I paid. Thanks for the deal bro I think in a few years there will be some great PJ development with 4K and such. Perhaps what is now a high end JVC will come down considerably. I have to send my 5 month old Oppo BD103D back for optical drive repair...sigh...I have had 3 other "cheap" blu ray players and nothing ever went wrong. I buy a $600 one and this happens. I know all electronics can have issues. Even a Theta or Datasat processor...

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You guys are sick and it is contagious. Every time I read this thread I feel like I need to order more

But I am sticking with my triple 12s and 4x triple 8s and 4 f2s. But I will keep reading and feel like I have the smallest manhood here
I know what you mean You beat me. But I know in regards to performance I am high up there with JTR mains and Seaton subs. I think of it like going with 215's or 212's and 10-12 subs is like just adding a turbo on an already high performance engine. Just in regard to SQ and getting to the BMS 4593...I will scoop some 212's up in a few years hopefully. But hey I get absolute zero distortion, speakers can play anything thrown at them, louder than I can stand, the submersives literally threw dishes off the counter the other night and my wife gave me "the look." I will have to tone down the low shelf filter. Damn that Xmen First class beach scene! They sound pretty dang good too. TBH I don't get the gotta have some music feeling like people say with the 212's but a nice consolation.

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We have really similar rooms, although mine is 13 feet wide and Iève got the 215s. You will have no issues at all man, I really dont understand why guys think just because the speaker is big, it needs some giant space to sound its best....
Thats simply not true. You will be rockin out and loving it!
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Go big or go home....at least that's what my sons tell me.

I thought about this decision for a long time and your comments/thoughts of these were important to hear. I was all over the board in trying to decide which speakers were the right ones for me and my space. My initial thoughts were the 212HT's...then I went to 3 215RM's, then the 215RT's, then Seaton Catalysts then back to the 215RT's. After all is said and done, I feel good with the decision I made and am looking forward to hearing them in my room.

Will certainly let you know my impression and will probably be asking you questions.
You sound exactly like me prior to me buying the 212s. I was lurking on these forums literally for 5 years before finally deciding to buy the 212s when it first came up. Every speaker sounded like it was 'the best out there'.. and any decision you make would 'put a huge smile across your face' haha... it was truly hard to make a decision... I had to go thru lots of GTGs and reviews to finally settle on JTRs... they can't be beat in terms of value for money from their Noesis on, in my mind, extremely hard to beat in terms of SQ, and maybe impossible to beat in terms of Efficiency...

I think you're be a happy camper for a long time to come...


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You sound exactly like me prior to me buying the 212s. I was lurking on these forums literally for 5 years before finally deciding to buy the 212s when it first came up. Every speaker sounded like it was 'the best out there'.. and any decision you make would 'put a huge smile across your face' haha... it was truly hard to make a decision... I had to go thru lots of GTGs and reviews to finally settle on JTRs... they can't be beat in terms of value for money from their Noesis on, in my mind, extremely hard to beat in terms of SQ, and maybe impossible to beat in terms of Efficiency...

I think you're be a happy camper for a long time to come...
The other two points you made are subjective, so I won't even bother, but the comment you made about efficiency is...Well, I guess it's debatable as well, but in the context that you presented, I can name a few that are more efficient...

In fact, there is a list here. Just click on the google spreadsheet.

Here, just in case you don't want to bother visiting the thread.


Then there is my dream speaker... The J3 @ 112db sensitivity, but it's not on that list...yet. Think that would be like $75K for an LCR, though. We got plenty of high rollers on this thread, so who is going to be the first with Jericho's in their HT? Where you at @beastaudio !



@Gorilla83 , can you upload CAD files into your CNC software? Can you go ahead and put me down for a J3 flatpack. Layaway for my Aug 2016 return.

 

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The other two points you made are subjective, so I won't even bother, but the comment you made about efficiency is...Well, I guess it's debatable as well, but in the context that you presented, I can name a few that are more efficient...

In fact, there is a list here. Just click on the google spreadsheet.

Here, just in case you don't want to bother visiting the thread.


Then there is my dream speaker... The J3 @ 112db sensitivity, but it's not on that list...yet. Think that would be like $75K for an LCR, though. We got plenty of high rollers on this thread, so who is going to be the first with Jericho's in their HT? Where you at @beastaudio !



@Gorilla83 , can you upload CAD files into your CNC software? Can you go ahead and put me down for a J3 flatpack. Layaway for my Aug 2016 return.
I guess you missed the all important word 'MAYBE' in my statement...

And everything in context. And maybe I didn't make it very clear. For the dollar amount and SQ, the efficiency of the JTRs MAY be impossible to beat...

BTW: I heard some super high efficiency speakers in the Disco my brother works at... I don't think i would consider them in my comparison at all considering their sound quality isn't even near the ball park of the Noesis...
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Yeah...this is contagious....it's a never ending saga.

4 f2's...wow...you need to let us know how that sounds and how they blend with the JTR's.

Is that 4 Master's or Master/Slave combos?

It is 2 master/slave combos. The room is 18x 25(width) and I have a single couch, so I no longer have the issue of trying to balance the bass across two seating rows. THey look so good stacked I dont know if I should just stack them and balance my sweet spot as much as possible or split them and try to balance bass across the room. Just waiting on a hdmi cat 5 extender before I can start running room eq
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@Gorilla83 , can you upload CAD files into your CNC software? Can you go ahead and put me down for a J3 flatpack. Layaway for my Aug 2016 return.
Haha, yes I can, but there are many different types of CAD output, DXF being one of the most common.


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The other two points you made are subjective, so I won't even bother, but the comment you made about efficiency is...Well, I guess it's debatable as well, but in the context that you presented, I can name a few that are more efficient...

In fact, there is a list here. Just click on the google spreadsheet.

Here, just in case you don't want to bother visiting the thread.


Then there is my dream speaker... The J3 @ 112db sensitivity, but it's not on that list...yet. Think that would be like $75K for an LCR, though. We got plenty of high rollers on this thread, so who is going to be the first with Jericho's in their HT? Where you at @beastaudio !



@Gorilla83 , can you upload CAD files into your CNC software? Can you go ahead and put me down for a J3 flatpack. Layaway for my Aug 2016 return.


I still think Jeff is sand bagging with the 101 db sensitivity rating. The 212's measure so much higher than that compared to every speaker I've had in my room including 7 db's louder than the Danley sH50's and 11 db's louder than the 215's.


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The other two points you made are subjective, so I won't even bother, but the comment you made about efficiency is...Well, I guess it's debatable as well, but in the context that you presented, I can name a few that are more efficient...

In fact, there is a list here. Just click on the google spreadsheet.

Here, just in case you don't want to bother visiting the thread.


Then there is my dream speaker... The J3 @ 112db sensitivity, but it's not on that list...yet. Think that would be like $75K for an LCR, though. We got plenty of high rollers on this thread, so who is going to be the first with Jericho's in their HT? Where you at @beastaudio !



@Gorilla83 , can you upload CAD files into your CNC software? Can you go ahead and put me down for a J3 flatpack. Layaway for my Aug 2016 return.
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I think it is because the center of the speaker is equidistant from the floor and both corner walls. REW's room sim is showing the same dip. It might be the sympathetic vibrations, though. I hadn't thought of that. I wonder if my wife will be sympathetic when I tell her she has to help me get them off the stands.
So you are getting that sweep from the center channel? How do the left and right look? If that is the combined 2 ch. response, try doing a solo left and solo right sweep. comb filtering can show up when sweeping multiple speakers the same time.

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The other two points you made are subjective, so I won't even bother, but the comment you made about efficiency is...Well, I guess it's debatable as well, but in the context that you presented, I can name a few that are more efficient...

In fact, there is a list here. Just click on the google spreadsheet.

Here, just in case you don't want to bother visiting the thread.


Then there is my dream speaker... The J3 @ 112db sensitivity, but it's not on that list...yet. Think that would be like $75K for an LCR, though. We got plenty of high rollers on this thread, so who is going to be the first with Jericho's in their HT? Where you at @beastaudio !



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So you are getting that sweep from the center channel? How do the left and right look? If that is the combined 2 ch. response, try doing a solo left and solo right sweep. comb filtering can show up when sweeping multiple speakers the same time.
It was the left & right, individually. I'm using REW & Asio4All. How do you even do left+right sweeps in REW?


I have the center channel sitting on the floor at the moment, so that has its own issues. If I move the Triads out of the way, I can take care of that, and experiment with different L&R placement.


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It was the left & right, individually. I'm using REW & Asio4All. How do you even do left+right sweeps in REW?
Since you are using JRiver, you can use the Loopback and run REW through JRiver using JAVA output. Then use the Mix Channels DSP and copy the Left channel output to the Right channel. You can do Left + Sub, Center + Sub, Left + Right, or whatever combination you want.
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Good news... I found out the D-Soinc I am getting is actually 2400 Watts X 3 channels @ 4 ohm.

Should be a hell of an amp.
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Good news... I found out the D-Soinc I am getting is actually 2400 Watts X 3 channels @ 4 ohm.

Should be a hell of an amp.
Hate to be the one to break it to you but Jeff has said you need a minimum of 2401 watts to wake these things up...as long as your room is less then 11x11 feet...then you should still be fine with only 2400 watts
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Hate to be the one to break it to you but Jeff has said you need a minimum of 2401 watts to wake these things up...as long as your room is less then 11x11 feet...then you should still be fine with only 2400 watts
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!


HAHA. That would be funny!


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We have really similar rooms, although mine is 13 feet wide and Iève got the 215s. You will have no issues at all man, I really dont understand why guys think just because the speaker is big, it needs some giant space to sound its best....
Thats simply not true. You will be rockin out and loving it!
That was something I struggled with prior to making the decision, meaning the room width, but in retrospect I don't know why I did. I did come around to your thought and said I'm gonna do it...my room may be small but it's not too small for 215's....and I feel comfortable with my decision.

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You sound exactly like me prior to me buying the 212s. I was lurking on these forums literally for 5 years before finally deciding to buy the 212s when it first came up. Every speaker sounded like it was 'the best out there'.. and any decision you make would 'put a huge smile across your face' haha... it was truly hard to make a decision... I had to go thru lots of GTGs and reviews to finally settle on JTRs... they can't be beat in terms of value for money from their Noesis on, in my mind, extremely hard to beat in terms of SQ, and maybe impossible to beat in terms of Efficiency...

I think you're be a happy camper for a long time to come...
Thanks and I think I will be happy as well because I don't even want to consider the alternative...that would suck. But I can't imagine it would be that way and this is a blind buy as I've not attended any GTG's but everyone here can't be wrong....right?????

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It was the left & right, individually. I'm using REW & Asio4All. How do you even do left+right sweeps in REW?


I have the center channel sitting on the floor at the moment, so that has its own issues. If I move the Triads out of the way, I can take care of that, and experiment with different L&R placement.
Well, not in REW but you can in OM. I was curious as to why you might think the center is creating the 200hz drop though, but assume you meant sympathetic vibrations there?

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