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Holy crap Dave I hope your dog is okay. That would stress me out.
+1000. My dog had some leg issue a few months ago where he could barely walk and I thought he might have needed to be put to sleep...luckily he has fully recovered. But I feel for you, if my dog gets put down, I'm going to be the little girl in the family.
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Yeah it is pretty sad, my wife is really upset over it. We are unable to touch her. I have had her up walking to go outside a couple of times but mostly she has been in her bed enjoying the drugs That is an improvement over last night as she was just screaming all night, I thought when I took her to the vet this morning they might put her down, it was that bad. But she is home safe now, doing a little better.

You may have yours by the time I get mine figured out . Problem around here is everybody makes it seem easy


Anyhoo, I have been out working on my mounts for the S8's. I have been at it awhile as I just cannot get the keyholes lined up. I have measured and measured and yet when I look at the screws they all seem to be short of the stops. Me and my daughter did a stencil with wax paper and I did a dot with a sharpie and then transferred the stencil to the back of the S8, but they still seem like they are all not on hitting the top of keyhole I am afraid they are going to come crashing down. I thought about doing two screws. I used 1/4 ply with 1" #12 screws. When I hold the S8 in the air it feels solid, but again the screws don't feel like they are lining up. What do you guys think.
Dave - photocopy the back of the speaker and use as a template to line up the keyholes.

And very sorry to hear about the dog, man. hope everything works out ok.
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Dave that scream the Stang lets out at 1:07 is freakin awesome! I have to take my cat in for a shot was having random thoughts of potential problems you are now having. Some people don't care about pets but i'm super attached to mine. Would make me feel really bad.

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Dave - photocopy the back of the speaker and use as a template to line up the keyholes.

And very sorry to hear about the dog, man. hope everything works out ok.
I knew somebody would have a good idea. Like I said I used wax paper which was exactly 12" and transparent. The screws do line up and fit in the holes, but the all do not sit in the holes level. It is a real pita. I think I am just going to drill into them. Jeff has mounts on his site that get screwed into the speaker. I also figure, they are slanted 8's, they get mounted, if I ever sell them, I will sell them with the mounts. I don't ever plan on selling them, so I am at the point I don't care about screwing the mounts into the cabs.
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One of my buddies that I went to high school with that I still hang out with were both into stereos (home and car) and cars growing up. We would put our equipment together and would DJ our high school dances. I had a Mustang GT as my first car when I turned 16 that I had saved for my whole life and bought with my own money. As we grew up he stayed with cars and not stereos and I stayed more with Stereo/HT and not so much cars. He just bought another Mustang GT (he has had several over the last ten years) and is already doing all kind of work on it. I don't keep up on cars much these days but he said he dynoed it about a month ago it was putting around 520 HP at the wheels. I drove it a couple of times and it sure is fun…and loud
I love it all. I have always loved my Ford Trucks, but I have always wanted a Mustang. My wife said I won't be comfortable in it, but it might be fun for a bit. I guess I can call it my mid life crisis.

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+1000. My dog had some leg issue a few months ago where he could barely walk and I thought he might have needed to be put to sleep...luckily he has fully recovered. But I feel for you, if my dog gets put down, I'm going to be the little girl in the family.
Same here. We have 3 of them and the 2 little ones are like our kids. I was scared they were going to put her down today. She is still crying when she walks, but she is looking better. I would also be a mess if something happened, my wife even worse.

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Dave that scream the Stang lets out at 1:07 is freakin awesome! I have to take my cat in for a shot was having random thoughts of potential problems you are now having. Some people don't care about pets but i'm super attached to mine. Would make me feel really bad.
Like I said above our dogs are like kids, I would be devastated if anything happened to them as I am sure most pet owners would be as well.
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Same here. We have 3 of them and the 2 little ones are like our kids. I was scared they were going to put her down today. She is still crying when she walks, but she is looking better. I would also be a mess if something happened, my wife even worse.
My dog was so bad that one night he was on the bed, he lifted his front legs, tried to move but couldn't move his back legs, so he just fell over on his side in a heap...I damn near lost it. But we stuck with him and like I said, full recovery. So keep the faith man!

Sorry for the off topic but this is the JTR thread.
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My dog was so bad that one night he was on the bed, he lifted his front legs, tried to move but couldn't move his back legs, so he just fell over on his side in a heap...I damn near lost it. But we stuck with him and like I said, full recovery. So keep the faith man!

Sorry for the off topic but this is the JTR thread.
It's my fault I have kinda clogged this thread up the past few days. Im sorry for that. But yeah, it's the JTR thread.
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Just to add, Jeff was the first person to tell me that the 212's were more dynamic and would be better for movies. But yeah, user feedback is defiantly the real answer here. There is also a few other people that have the 215's and I have not seen or heard from them in awhile. Would like to hear from them also.
Is this due to the 212's higher sensitivity?
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It's my fault I have kinda clogged this thread up the past few days. Im sorry for that. But yeah, it's the JTR thread.
And its the reason why the JTR thread is hands down the best thread on AVS!

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So crazy how different all of our perceptions can be - keeps the hobby interesting and frustrating at the same time.
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I will answer for him, 10' If you meant Coach, I think he was 8'.
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I am anxiously following your adventures with the 215's as in a month I'll have mine. I think one good thing I have going for me is that I don't know what the 212's sound like so I have nothing to compare them to (even subconsciously) except the Mac's I currently have and I've gotta believe the 215's will blow them away. My plan is to insert them in place of the Mac's and change nothing else and see what they sound like that way....well I will run them 2 different ways....full range and x-over'd @ 80hz....just like I have now. When I run them full, my processor will route LFE and all bass below x-over to them. (the 215RT's). So that will be my plan and I'll go from there....and I also plan on buying an Omnimic as I have nothing now to tell me what's going on in my room. I'm really interested in FR and decay in my room.

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My first row, reclined to normal listening position, is about 8.5-9 feet back.
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Is this due to the 212's higher sensitivity?
I would think so. When I talked to Jeff about the 215s a couple months ago he did mention that the 212s are more dynamic and I have to assume that is because of their sensitivity...though I would assume if you threw the equivalent number of required watts at the 215s (say with a class D amp that has 2000 watts), you could achieve same/similar dynamics.
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^^ not quite true. If the 212 and 215 are being fed the same watts the 212 is at least 6dB more output. I haven't measured the 215 but the 212 is rated 101 but i get more like 104dB. Remember the 212 can handle the same amount of power. I am right in the midle of my new set up with a new pre pro the the LG10k to the 212's and while I don't have it eq'd yet the level of power these 212's now have with 2100 watts each powering them is astounding! From 80 hz and up the 212 wins hands down in pure output.

Also I think it is interesting finding out how the opinion is that the 215 is harder to set up than the 212. I think everyone was hopeful that without the need for subs it would just be plug and play.

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^^ not quite true. If the 212 and 215 are being fed the same watts the 212 is at least 6dB more output. I haven't measured the 215 but the 212 is rated 101 but i get more like 104dB. Remember the 212 can handle the same amount of power. I am right in the midle of my new set up with a new pre pro the the LG10k to the 212's and while I don't have it eq'd yet the level of power these 212's now have with 2100 watts each powering them is astounding! From 80 hz and up the 212 wins hands down in pure output.

Also I think it is interesting finding out how the opinion is that the 215 is harder to set up than the 212. I think everyone was hopeful that without the need for subs it would just be plug and play.
Agree with your point and I think I didn't articulate my point well. When I said "equivalent number of required watts" I meant if most people are throwing 100 to 300 watts at the 212s then if the 215s owners are throwing 1000+ watts then they should have similar dynamics.

I totally agree that with both are being fed the exact same watts then the 212 will be more dynamic because it is more efficient/sensitive.
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^^ not quite true. If the 212 and 215 are being fed the same watts the 212 is at least 6dB more output. I haven't measured the 215 but the 212 is rated 101 but i get more like 104dB. Remember the 212 can handle the same amount of power. I am right in the midle of my new set up with a new pre pro the the LG10k to the 212's and while I don't have it eq'd yet the level of power these 212's now have with 2100 watts each powering them is astounding! From 80 hz and up the 212 wins hands down in pure output.

Also I think it is interesting finding out how the opinion is that the 215 is harder to set up than the 212. I think everyone was hopeful that without the need for subs it would just be plug and play.
I gotta admit, this is one of the best sounding speakers I have heard yet music wise. I am finding difficult to set it up with movies. I know what it is and it is running them full range for movies no subs. I think is is just going to be allot easier to cross them for movies with subs. I don't have subs in the room yet as they are not done yet and I don't have anyone to help me the Triax's to get them in the theater yet. I have a feeling I am going to be going with my plan to run full range for music and cross them with subs for movies. My problem with movies is that the bass is to overpowering, I can not find a balance between heavy LFE and dialog and that is just because I am not that experienced with setting it up a system to run full range with no subs. I remember RMK saying it was difficult.
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It's my fault I have kinda clogged this thread up the past few days. Im sorry for that. But yeah, it's the JTR thread.
I actually enjoy how this thread can be a little A.D.D. at times, keep things interesting. Plus it should really be called the JTR lifestyle thread, so basically JTR and things going on in the life of JTR owners!....lol


So in keeping with that theme I thought I'd show off the newest addition to my JTR family!






It's been a late night and I'm running on fumes! I was working late till around 1am this morning and didn't fall asleep till 1:30am, next this I know my wife's waking me up at 2:20 with contractions. We dropped off our kids at their grandparents, got to the hospital for 3:37am and my daughter was born at 5:03am..... EXHAUSTED..lol


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I gotta admit, this is one of the best sounding speakers I have heard yet music wise. I am finding difficult to set it up with movies. I know what it is and it is running them full range for movies no subs. I think is is just going to be allot easier to cross them for movies with subs. I don't have subs in the room yet as they are not done yet and I don't have anyone to help me the Triax's to get them in the theater yet. I have a feeling I am going to be going with my plan to run full range for music and cross them with subs for movies. My problem with movies is that the bass is to overpowering, I can not find a balance between heavy LFE and dialog and that is just because I am not that experienced with setting it up a system to run full range with no subs. I remember RMK saying it was difficult.
Not really, just have Jeff do it ...

But seriously, it was nice having the designer/builder of the speakers in for the setup. He can be a moody guy ( ) so I let him do it his way and then tweaked things after he left. The Rane interface is the best Audio DSP GUI I have seen (very Visio like ). If you run them full range on your AVR and then have DSP with your 6000 you should be able to set to taste. MiniDSP is another way to go.

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Not really, just have Jeff do it ...

But seriously, it was nice having the designer/builder of the speakers in for the setup. He can be a moody guy ( ) so I let him do it his way and then tweaked things after he left. The Rane interface is the best Audio DSP GUI I have seen (very Visio like ). If you run them full range on your AVR and then have DSP with your 6000 you should be able to set to taste. MiniDSP is another way to go.
You know what is weird, I put in Star Trek into Darkness and it sounds great !!! I have had WOW loaded up for the past couple of nights. I don't know but I am very happy what I am hearing with this disc. How can this be? I changed discs because I am trying to set my projector for aspect ratios, glad I did. I have got to say these speakers are insane. I mean the bass is unreal. When they are hit with good LFE man do the hit hard, I mean my hair is moving LOL

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You know what is weird, I put in Star Trek into Darkness and it sounds great !!! I have had WOW loaded up for the past couple of nights. I don't know but I am very happy what I am hearing with this disc. How can this be? I changed discs because I am trying to set my projector for aspect ratios, glad I did. I have got to say these speakers are insane. I mean the bass is unreal. When they are hit with good LFE man do the hit hard, I mean my hair is moving LOL
Yeah well imagine with 3 across the front ... no more bass needed except for those "unique" few who feel the need for brown note capability.

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Yeah well imagine with 3 across the front … no more bass needed except for those "unique" few who feel the need for brown note capability.
Yeah I hear you. I am eventually going to add a 215RM. As suggested by Andrew I think I will use the ported monsters for near field.

More on the movies, WOTW for some reason just does not sound good for some reason, at least on what I have here now, It sounded fine before on my other set up. I know the bass is super deep, but the dialog is so soft, I would turn the volume up and then the bass would hit and it was just to much. Now with the Star Trek disc, it sounds great. Good dialog, good bass, sounds like I have separate subs. What I like is how the 215's just have a monstrous sound stage, the bass in your face is unreal. Also for the short clips I watched I felt the dynamics were close to the 212's with the edge to the 212's, but the trade off is a huge soundstage. I am really looking forward to getting these things straitened out. Good stuff here.
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I actually enjoy how this thread can be a little A.D.D. at times, keep things interesting. Plus it should really be called the JTR lifestyle thread, so basically JTR and things going on in the life of JTR owners!....lol


So in keeping with that theme I thought I'd show off the newest addition to my JTR family!






It's been a late night and I'm running on fumes! I was working late till around 1am this morning and didn't fall asleep till 1:30am, next this I know my wife's waking me up at 2:20 with contractions. We dropped off our kids at their grandparents, got to the hospital for 3:37am and my daughter was born at 5:03am..... EXHAUSTED..lol


Okay, sorry for that back to our regular viewing.


Congratulations Joe!! Although I have to admit I'm not envious of your next few years, haha. Now that both kids are in school I don't know if I could "start over" again but I'm happy for you man.
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I will answer for him, 10' If you meant Coach, I think he was 8'.

I'm a little closer than that, not much though. Each ear is 9 feet 4 inches from a main speaker to be exact.
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Not really, just have Jeff do it ...

But seriously, it was nice having the designer/builder of the speakers in for the setup. He can be a moody guy ( ) so I let him do it his way and then tweaked things after he left. The Rane interface is the best Audio DSP GUI I have seen (very Visio like ). If you run them full range on your AVR and then have DSP with your 6000 you should be able to set to taste. MiniDSP is another way to go.
So how did you pull that off?? We're you the first 215 owner??

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I actually enjoy how this thread can be a little A.D.D. at times, keep things interesting. Plus it should really be called the JTR lifestyle thread, so basically JTR and things going on in the life of JTR owners!....lol


So in keeping with that theme I thought I'd show off the newest addition to my JTR family!






It's been a late night and I'm running on fumes! I was working late till around 1am this morning and didn't fall asleep till 1:30am, next this I know my wife's waking me up at 2:20 with contractions. We dropped off our kids at their grandparents, got to the hospital for 3:37am and my daughter was born at 5:03am..... EXHAUSTED..lol


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Damn poppa bear, congrats. My youngest just started high school this year and my oldest graduated last year. Im feeling old.
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Damn poppa bear, congrats. My youngest just started high school this year and my oldest graduated last year. Im feeling old.

LOL..... Thanks Dave! Not looking forward to the second mortgage payment called daycare when my wife goes back to work next September, can you believe it $1800 a month for three! [emoji54]
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LOL..... Thanks Dave! Not looking forward to the second mortgage payment called daycare when my wife goes back to work next September, can you believe it $1800 a month for three! [emoji54]
Oh I remember, mine were spread out a little, so not so bad for me, but I remember when they started school it was great to loose that payment. But count that as chump change, when they get older and want cars, college, trips to Disney, the list goes on.
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