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I hadn't read Ralph Potts' review yet of Godzilla. I just checked it out and he gave the audio track a score of 100.

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The DTS-HD Master Audio soundtrack is reference quality and among the best home theater experiences I have ever had. I had high expectations for this soundtrack and this lossless audio presentation didn’t disappoint. I was treated to an impeccably detailed, powerfully dynamic, and demonstrative surround sound experience. Multi-layered sound effects are appropriately placed within the soundfield so that their purpose was definable yet never overstated. The mix makes effective and aggressive use of the surround channels to define the soundstage and reproduce the spatial and discrete sounds of this demanding soundtrack. The front and rear sound fields are integrated with precision which enables a seamless blend during panning sequences as the listening position becomes submerged in an engaging variety of effects that place you in the heart of the action. One of the best examples of this occurs in chapter 8 beginning at the 1:16:30 mark on the train trestle. As the soldiers stand out in the open the M.U.T.O. rises out of the dark and rotates around their position. The blend of room traversing effects and supporting low frequency detail create an incredibly effective aural display that left me tipping my cap to the sound mixer.

I love clean powerful bass and this track delivers it in spades. Low frequency effects can be substantial and occasionally reach seismic levels and lower depths that will test the limits of lesser subwoofers. The extended dynamic range of the recording coupled with the film’s bombast results in authoritative low frequency transients that are deep, powerful and perfect for those that revel in noteworthy bass extension. Dialogue is supremely articulated with excellent focus, clarity and descriptive intonation. I found the surround mixes ability to render fine detail, and subtle nuance to be excellent. As viewers I think we sometimes miss some of the intricacies that go into the design of soundtracks such as this. Not so in this case as even seemingly inconspicuous minutia within the recording is detectable. I thoroughly enjoyed every minute with this terrific soundtrack.
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Alas I only have a measly four Seaton Submersives but the bass in my room was excellent. I will be using this for demos for sometime to come.
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Unconvincing bass content sound design? Abraham will all due respect I think that you are letting your measurements interfere with your ability to sit back and simply watch a film. You have posted your thoughts/references to Data-Bass as well as presented your findings. I see no reason to continue to reference them in this thread. I am not interested in turning this thread or any other in the review forum into a debate regarding ULF content etc.

My advice to others is to listen to the track and make your own observations.

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2 of those just may work their way into my system somehow......
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You guys that loved the bass in Godzilla - how does it compare to CA2? I was VERY impressed with CA2.
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2 of those just may work their way into my system somehow......

God knows you desperately need it.
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You guys that loved the bass in Godzilla - how does it compare to CA2? I was VERY impressed with CA2.
It wasn't just the quality of the Bass...it was the quantity as well. Godzilla had more...which makes it better
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For smoothing.....right????
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...it was the quantity as well. Godzilla had more...
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Godzilla had a ton of it. lol
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Is there a lot of variety to the bass? That's what I loved about CA2, the sensations were a lot different depending on the scene. I hate it when all bassy noises in movies sound and feel similar.
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Is there a lot of variety to the bass? That's what I loved about CA2, the sensations were a lot different depending on the scene. I hate it when all bassy noises in movies sound and feel similar.
The sensations and feelings in Godzilla were like this:

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Had Sunday off from work. Finally! Anyway had some time to position the speakers. The four slanted 8 has been up two weeks ago. But did not have the chance to even play with them. I've been so busy with work. My amps has been in but hadn't have a chance to picked them up. So probably Tuesday. Speaking of amps.. My local Berhinger dealer made a mistake on my order. I pre paid for 2 inukes 6000 dsp. But instead, 1 6000dsp and 1 3000dsp arrived. And since all the 6000 which was a on backed ordered all fulfilled. I would have to wait another 2 weeks. Yea, I was kinda pissed. So he called his Berhinger rep about it. And sent a 12000 dsp instead. And we made a deal. So I just owe 118$ more. So I guess that means I'm getting the 12000 dsp for 518$? Oh, well amp is a amp. Just be happy.
Anyway, today I just plugged in the speakers straight from the Pio sc-09. Turned off the quad S2's. Set the LCR's large. And "wow"! Amazing! I don't know what everyone mean bout laid back? But I guess I would never know. Because for me, from def tech Mythos ST to JTR 215's? That's a big improvement in soundstage and sq. meaning I never had the chance to go through the ladder of JTR lineup like most here. This speaker has lots of great bass. Though I'd still want my quad S2's on for deep diggin movies. But all what I was expectng in a full range speaker for 2 channel exceeded my expectations. Now remember now, these thoughts are just plug and play straight from the avr. Next weekend is when I start hooking up the inukes, run REW, and calibrate.
Btw, I'm in the market for a good PJ right now. Probably towards the end of the year. And a screen to drap over my 70" Elite led when time for movies. I'm gonna use the Elite for games a general viewing. So
my dual DIY FTW 21 build is gonna have to wait.. Lol. I need to upgrade my display. Besides, I think I should have enough bass for now.. Lol. Any thoughts on the jvc dla-x500r ?

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Is there a lot of variety to the bass? That's what I loved about CA2, the sensations were a lot different depending on the scene. I hate it when all bassy noises in movies sound and feel similar.
In that aspect id say CA2 was better. Not that Godzilla was a one note wonder, but IMO Captain America had more of a variety.
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Had Sunday off from work. Finally! Anyway had some time to position the speakers. The four slanted 8 has been up two weeks ago. But did not have the chance to even play with them. I've been so busy with work. My amps has been in but hadn't have a chance to picked them up. So probably Tuesday. Speaking of amps.. My local Berhinger dealer made a mistake on my order. I pre paid for 2 inukes 6000 dsp. But instead, 1 6000dsp and 1 3000dsp arrived. And since all the 6000 which was a on backed ordered all fulfilled. I would have to wait another 2 weeks. Yea, I was kinda pissed. So he called his Berhinger rep about it. And sent a 12000 dsp instead. And we made a deal. So I just owe 118$ more. So I guess that means I'm getting the 12000 dsp for 518$? Oh, well amp is a amp. Just be happy.
Anyway, today I just plugged in the speakers straight from the Pio sc-09. Turned off the quad S2's. Set the LCR's large. And "wow"! Amazing! I don't know what everyone mean bout laid back? But I guess I would never know. Because for me, from def tech Mythos ST to JTR 215's? That's a big improvement in soundstage and sq. meaning I never had the chance to go through the ladder of JTR lineup like most here. This speaker has lots of great bass. Though I'd still want my quad S2's on for deep diggin movies. But all what I was expectng in a full range speaker for 2 channel exceeded my expectations. Now remember now, these thoughts are just plug and play straight from the avr. Next weekend is when I start hooking up the inukes, run REW, and calibrate.
Btw, I'm in the market for a good PJ right now. Probably towards the end of the year. And a screen to drap over my 70" Elite led when time for movies. I'm gonna use the Elite for games a general viewing. So
my dual DIY FTW 21 build is gonna have to wait.. Lol. I need to upgrade my display. Besides, I think I should have enough bass for now.. Lol. Any thoughts on the jvc dla-x500r ?

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I rearranged the speakers and subs last night. Getting better.
The 212s are now in the corners, and the subs are in 1/4 3/4 positions.
This is with no EQ, room correction, or sub gain.

The 10 db XLR inline attenuators on worked nicely for the 212s.
My pre-amp auto-calibration put the center at -11 db after the attenuator.
Fits like a glove inside the -12 db limit.

The 200 hz dip has been really reduced with the new placement, but it's still there.
Previously, it was an 18 db dip, starting at 650 hz.
Now, it's an 8 db dip, starting at 200 hz.

It might be a floor reflection that's no longer getting reinforced by the side walls.

Still a bit odd, since I wasn't getting that with the Triads.
Maybe they have tighter vertical directivity?
Perhaps the difference between a 250hz vs 400hz midrange crossover?

I need to throw a panel underneath one, to see if it makes a difference.
That is a really good raw response right there! You would make some drool who hang in the REW thread. I have seen some narly looking responses there. Anyway I have done some holding or placing raw insullation in place and seeing the instant improvements on the ETC graph.

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Ok here is the reason I am going to run an approx 50ft hdmi to the next room where I put my Panasonic plasma. I will run it from my Denon 4520. So the TV will get audio and video as you know. Then I just hook up the sound bar to the TV's audio out and I'm done. I have better than sound firing from behind the tv into the wall. This way thats all I need. No extra AVR or amp or anything. Thats my thinking. Does JTR do sound bars? LOL! I was at best buy and they have a cheap little Samsung one with a wireless sub for a few hundred bucks. It sounded pretty good for what it was.

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Ok here is the reason I am going to run an approx 50ft hdmi to the next room where I put my Panasonic plasma. I will run it from my Denon 4520. So the TV will get audio and video as you know. Then I just hook up the sound bar to the TV's audio out and I'm done. I have better than sound firing from behind the tv into the wall. This way thats all I need. No extra AVR or amp or anything. Thats my thinking. Does JTR do sound bars? LOL! I was at best buy and they have a cheap little Samsung one with a wireless sub for a few hundred bucks. It sounded pretty good for what it was.
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you have not fully experienced the 212HT's until you run 2000 watts through them! At +10dB there is a noticeable improvement over the 600 watts the Sunfire was throwing at them. Even when you turn the bass down on the subs you can feel the 80-125hz stuff just slamming into you from the 212HT's and the highs stay smoother and less strained. The XMC-1 plays very nicely with the lab and it is amazing but even at +35dB gain setting you can only hear the slightest of hiss with your ear right on the speaker, even 1 ft back and I cannot hear it. I have it set now at +32dB gain so that -18 on the MV is 85dB with a -20dB test tone in REW, so basically -18MV is reference.


Ok so after all of that drag racing stuff had a chance to really listen at moderate levels and my impression is the integration of the subs is improved with better delay control on the third sub. It measures better in more spots around the room too. The XMC-1/LG/212HT combo so far is a winner for me. Now just waiting for Dirac which may be icing on the cake!


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LOL, Bose is what started all this. My wife wanted to really surprise me one Christmas and she bought me an Acoustimass Bose system. It came with a Pioneer AVR and a bunch of cubes and a fart box. That is what I called the sub because it sounded like a fart box. I hooked it up and it sounded horrible. I started reading about it and there was so much negative print about it. I felt terrible telling my wife I wanted to return it. I could tell she was a little sad because she wanted to surprise me, however that little fart box system turned into a home theater full of goodies and she is just as excited as me.

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you have not fully experienced the 212HT's until you run 2000 watts through them! At +10dB there is a noticeable improvement over the 600 watts the Sunfire was throwing at them. Even when you turn the bass down on the subs you can feel the 80-125hz stuff just slamming into you from the 212HT's and the highs stay smoother and less strained. The XMC-1 plays very nicely with the lab and it is amazing but even at +35dB gain setting you can only hear the slightest of hiss with your ear right on the speaker, even 1 ft back and I cannot hear it. I have it set now at +32dB gain so that -18 on the MV is 85dB with a -20dB test tone in REW, so basically -18MV is reference.


Ok so after all of that drag racing stuff had a chance to really listen at moderate levels and my impression is the integration of the subs is improved with better delay control on the third sub. It measures better in more spots around the room too. The XMC-1/LG/212HT combo so far is a winner for me. Now just waiting for Dirac which may be icing on the cake!


Here is the 212HT by itself and then a shot of 500hz and down with the OS's added.
While I am honestly happy you love the results...I don't think too many of us mere mortals are running things at "+10". I don't think I have ever had my system that high in the last two years..maybe for 3 seconds max.
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^^ of course that is an extreme example, but JTR's are an extremely capable speaker and it demonstrates the capability of the 212HT's dynamic range and midbass monster slam (especially if corner loaded). I figured in this thread it might be appreciated.

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^^ of course that is an extreme example, but JTR's are an extremely capable speaker and it demonstrates the capability of the 212HT's dynamic range and midbass monster slam (especially if corner loaded). I figured in this thread it might be appreciated.
Well, i appreciate it . It's not until some number over reference where I found JTR's(and Danley's) started really coming alive for me. I'd say +3 to +6 is where I'd typically find myself. +10? Yea, that's where it gets into ear ringing territory. You have to watch that...
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you have not fully experienced the 212HT's until you run 2000 watts through them! At +10dB there is a noticeable improvement over the 600 watts the Sunfire was throwing at them. Even when you turn the bass down on the subs you can feel the 80-125hz stuff just slamming into you from the 212HT's and the highs stay smoother and less strained. The XMC-1 plays very nicely with the lab and it is amazing but even at +35dB gain setting you can only hear the slightest of hiss with your ear right on the speaker, even 1 ft back and I cannot hear it. I have it set now at +32dB gain so that -18 on the MV is 85dB with a -20dB test tone in REW, so basically -18MV is reference.


Ok so after all of that drag racing stuff had a chance to really listen at moderate levels and my impression is the integration of the subs is improved with better delay control on the third sub. It measures better in more spots around the room too. The XMC-1/LG/212HT combo so far is a winner for me. Now just waiting for Dirac which may be icing on the cake!


Here is the 212HT by itself and then a shot of 500hz and down with the OS's added.
You better tone it down son, before your next speakers are hearing aids.

Looks good I bet it sounds great. I have to get to work today. I have to finsh somethings up in the room today and get my PJ worked out, I gotta stop listening to music and watching movies. I think I have to lower my screen or raise the PJ a bit as I am having a hard time filling my 2:35:1 screen. I am also have a problem with my wall shelf and shaking with the bass. I have been thinking all night about a way to prevent it from shaking. I read a guy bolted his stand to the slab. That might be a good option.
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Well, i appreciate it . It's not until some number over reference where I found JTR's(and Danley's) started really coming alive for me. I'd say +3 to +6 is where I'd typically find myself. +10? Yea, that's where it gets into ear ringing territory. You have to watch that...

The cool thing about these setups is you can start off at a reasonable volume (say -10) and then keep pushing the volume up enjoying the increase in impact while maintaining clarity all along the way. I have found that (depending upon the source) the top or stop number can be quite high. I think @ +15 () the room is overpowered and the LG clip lights are starting to light up so I quickly back off to say +10 where the system just cruises along. If it weren't for the fear of hearing loss, I could stay there a good long while.

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you have not fully experienced the 212HT's until you run 2000 watts through them! At +10dB there is a noticeable improvement over the 600 watts the Sunfire was throwing at them. Even when you turn the bass down on the subs you can feel the 80-125hz stuff just slamming into you from the 212HT's and the highs stay smoother and less strained. The XMC-1 plays very nicely with the lab and it is amazing but even at +35dB gain setting you can only hear the slightest of hiss with your ear right on the speaker, even 1 ft back and I cannot hear it. I have it set now at +32dB gain so that -18 on the MV is 85dB with a -20dB test tone in REW, so basically -18MV is reference.


Ok so after all of that drag racing stuff had a chance to really listen at moderate levels and my impression is the integration of the subs is improved with better delay control on the third sub. It measures better in more spots around the room too. The XMC-1/LG/212HT combo so far is a winner for me. Now just waiting for Dirac which may be icing on the cake!


Here is the 212HT by itself and then a shot of 500hz and down with the OS's added.
You are getting a pretty gratuitous room gain benefit from 200hz to 100hz. Almost 10dB! That is a huge difference maker IMO and why some around here (many) don't think the 212's have as much midbass "slam" as they should. This area I tend to see more flat in poster's graphs, or at worst, like @dgage is seeing (Sorry buddy, but you know it's true). Good subwoofer integration it appears, and a house curve worth shaking any size stick at. I bet that is an impressive experience. You have crested the 20dB bass house curve arena. Welcome to the real show
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Yep. When it's so clean only experience(prior ear ringing) tells you its too loud. It's like a good whiskey. You usually find out too late that you've had too much .

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