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It's the lower costing 212 with the 228 CD (two way). Bringing a lower costing entry point.
What the heck is Jeff thinking??? We want MOAR!!! Give us a 218RT or 221RT


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DSP on top of DSP ...
Almost all commercial subs have DSP. People still correct them for the room response. Many with active crossovers will correct first for an even sound power response close mic and then a smooth frequency response at the listening position.

I read that Mark disabled the DSP on his subs for integration in TheBland's room and only used Dirac Live.

Changing the volume is DSP. People change the trim levels and then change the volume. That is DSP on top of DSP.

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It's the lower costing 212 with the 228 CD (two way). Bringing a lower costing entry point.
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Really? So it uses the 12" drivers from the 212's but the compression driver from the 228's? Seems strange considering the 228HT's are already $1299ea.


I can see all of the posts now, "should I buy 228HT's or 212TT's for $_____ more".......lol
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What the heck is Jeff thinking??? We want MOAR!!! Give us a 218RT or 221RT
From Jeff on Facebook: "Close but no it doesn't use the same cd as the 228. TT= two-way, theater."

I guess that means it's not a tower, but a monitor with a lower f3. Maybe down to the 30hz-40hz range.

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Should I buy the 228HT or the 212TT for X more?


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movies primarily = 228HT - - because with DD or DTS movie tracks, or quality digital tracks you'll be hard pressed (if not impossible) to tell the difference (in my experience)
music primarily = 212HT - - because it has a larger, more enjoyable soundstage for 2 channel use.


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212TT -- what the? got me all confused - ignore my previous response. I hadn't caught yet it wasn't a typo or read the last page or so to see Jeff has a new speaker.

THOUGH??? maybe the same would apply - so I won't delete it.

The compression driver is better on the 212HT than the 228HT - but I found with more modern music recorded at high bit rates, or loseless tracks I didn't notice much - and the key difference was in the soundstage. With older music, or music not compressed at a higher bit rate I thought the 212HT's compression driver shone more with that. Maybe placebo, maybe bias -- who knows. But the 212TT - might give the larger soundstage of the 212HT - at some cost savings!

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It'll be priced between the two. Something like 1799 or 1899. There's a big gap between the two and this will fill that.
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movies primarily = 228HT - - because with DD or DTS movie tracks, or quality digital tracks you'll be hard pressed (if not impossible) to tell the difference (in my experience)
music primarily = 212HT - - because it has a larger, more enjoyable soundstage for 2 channel use.
He was talking about the new 212TT....and actually making a joke about a post a few above his. You sell your 228s and lose all touch of JTR fever!!!!


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Almost all commercial subs have DSP. People still correct them for the room response. Many with active crossovers will correct first for an even sound power response close mic and then a smooth frequency response at the listening position.

I read that Mark disabled the DSP on his subs for integration in TheBland's room and only used Dirac Live.

Changing the volume is DSP. People change the trim levels and then change the volume. That is DSP on top of DSP.
Carl was confused in his statement. The SubMersive's in thebland's room were the same as any other SubMersive. He must have been referring to the 2 channel QSC DSP-30 that was previously in the system that I had used to make sure the front/rear subs could blend together before calibration. Had we not run out of time, I would have put it back in and let Dirac handle just 1 subwoofer output as I got a much better seat-seat response than Dirac did the way it was run. I suspect it would have been better if it was measured from all seats, but the HF might have also not been as good at the main seats. This was more a limitation of how the RS20i allows subwoofer routing vs Dirac correction rather than any issue with Dirac.

A couple layers of DSP is always a bad thing, and if it's inserted where there isn't need or an additional analog-digital conversion, I wouldn't really worry about it so long as each step has a worthwhile purpose.

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Should I buy the 228HT or the 212TT for X more?


There are quite a few sellers right now for the 212s. I would jump on them. 7 Channel might still have his.

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There are quite a few sellers right now for the 212s. I would jump on them. 7 Channel might still have his.
A 7.2.4 setup with all 212...7 channels for 212, 2 shifters, and 4 more 212 on the ceiling for Atmos...
Oh, that would meet our overkill standards

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A 7.2.4 setup with all 212...7 channels for 212, 2 shifters, and 4 more 212 on the ceiling for Atmos...
Oh, that would meet our overkill standards
I love overkill, always have.

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Ok.. Im just about done messing around with this thing. I just wanna enjoy for now. My wife thinks im chronic swearing at the graphs after each sweeps. She said just plug those file cabinates and enjoy. lol... Anyway, I fixed that phase issue a little at the 65-75hz region I had when I set all speakers to small. And XO 80hz. MCACC had my sub distance at 13' at first. Now im down to 9'. I know weird right? I thought setting it a further setting will delay the mains longer for the sub to catch up. Well that's what I research and read about atleast.. But now its late so I can't hit it at reference for a demo. But when I do, I'll switch from small to large for the L/R only. To see which sounds better for me with movies. My cc 215RM I keep at small always. BTW, the lower region is a 5 db HC through the antimode 2.0..

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Amazing frequency response, Rhed!
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