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My vote is room makes more difference than speaker.

I'll even hesitate to say the better speaker will always sound better in the same room.
I think a lot of the times you'll be correct. But Linkwitz has a lot of interesting reading on that topic. He doesn't really believe too much in treatments, but much of that has to do with the fact that he espouses speaker designs that don't depend on them. Which is why I say the speaker can have a lot do with it.
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I found the CAT12's to be lacking midbass for my preference when I heard them, same as the sh50's and the 212's (though I knew what I was getting into getting the LP's vs the ported). I don't think I've ever heard a speaker thats been as good as the 215's are. I'm actually gonna buy one of those huge EQ's and try it out for fun. There is something to be said for hands on tuning, rather than a PC interface. They are 100$, If I don't like it, I'll throw it in the garbage lol.

I'm chatting with a guy in my city that has a million dollar sound system, all custom style, speakers and subs are all DIY type stuff. He's pretty leery of letting people come over, so I invited him to my place on Saturday to hear mine first. I'm super curious what he will say/think. I've been in a 500K theater full of Wislon stuff and it was extremely lackluster although the video was beyond amazing.... This guy has some projector that was 350K!!!!! and some name I've never heard of before. I'm like a little kid wanting to go see it hahahaha. I wanna bring my omnimic and see how it measures too.
There's a guy with a Million Dollar home theater in my country as well... great projector (very expensive Runco,.. i think i was like $200K, at least that's what the installler charged him for), and I guess the room setup itself was expensive as it's very big and a screen about 20 feet wide... but like you said, the sound system is lackluster...
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I don't want to get into the weeds with this, but that really depends on the speaker and how bad the room is. Some speakers require a lot of room treatments to shine and others not so much. Given the right speaker and my room I would spend all my money on the speaker and forget about dedicated treatments until I got some more cash. The power response of the speaker is huge here and although bass modes can be challenging they can be mitigated with proper positioning and RC that comes with most AVR's.

And again, I'm not saying room treatments aren't important or that they don't help - sometimes dramatically, just that the speaker selection can still trump it for SQ.

And this is not to be argumentative, I base this off my own experience in my own room.

Those M2's were in there BEFORE the room treatments. So I took notes on the SQ changes
Well they look beautiful in your room, what catches my eye is the mic!!! Let the real deals show themselves to us all through some serious measurements and at some serious spl levels too lol

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What made you put up the panels? Please show the before and after as I know you have them I do agree that the speaker alone will be the first/best medium though but like it seems to be agreed upon the treatments just make the speakers even better.

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No kidding! My wife just got her RVUs raised substantially after finally getting an office manager that had been around enough to talk some sense into the hospital board.
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Bet you love Obamacare!! Keep cranking out the RVU's....
To us foreigners, it's really laugh out loud funny how when Obama finally did something for the Americans, half the country hate him for it...

In almost every other country (including us 3rd world ones), we all have government health care...

Perhaps, RMK! can offer free open heart surgery for all JTR speaker owners?? heh!
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To us foreigners, it's really laugh out loud funny how when Obama finally did something for the Americans, half the country hate him for it...

In almost every other country (including us 3rd world ones), we all have government health care...

Perhaps, RMK! can offer free open heart surgery for all JTR speaker owners?? heh!
+1 Canadians find this quite funny.
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It all depends. What is A and what is B?
Well... A is a vowel and B is not.

So A is probably better???

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Hehe. I don't know. The fact is even the experts can't agree on a lot of this stuff, so I don't want to drag this out. I'm just a hack with an opinion.
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Hmmm...there's something disturbing about those puckered horns in front of a flesh-toned wall.

They look very cool, butt I can't shake the feeling that I need to duck before something sprays out of them.
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Hmmm...there's something disturbing about those puckered horns in front of a flesh-toned wall.

They look very cool, butt I can't shake the feeling that I need to duck before something sprays out of them.
Luckily, after I put the treatments up my wife said that she wants to repaint because she doesn't like the color anymore. I was like, "took you over two years to figure that out!?" That was what I was thinking the day it was painted, lol.

The M2 horn is wild for sure. What you can't tell is that the CD is recessed like an inch back into the nubs of those butt cheeks. So it's like an inch long tube before it gets to the butt. Doesn't seem right.

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Luckily, after I put the treatments up my wife said that she wants to repaint because she doesn't like the color anymore. I was like, "took you over two years to figure that out!?" That was what I was thinking the day it was painted, lol.

The M2 horn is wild for sure. What you can't tell is that the CD is recessed like an inch back into the nubs of those butt cheeks. So it's like an inch long tube before it gets to the butt. Doesn't seem right.
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To us foreigners, it's really laugh out loud funny how when Obama finally did something for the Americans, half the country hate him for it...

In almost every other country (including us 3rd world ones), we all have government health care...

Perhaps, RMK! can offer free open heart surgery for all JTR speaker owners?? heh!
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+1 Canadians find this quite funny.
I'll nibble
What's funny about the fact that when a serious illness occurrs - the richest in these government health care countries seem to make every effort to travel to the United States, to get away from government healthcare?

I've heard one Candian instructor directly and openly say in a certification class for IT (wholly unrelated) that Canadian health care was horrible with 6-8 hour lines common, and month + out schedule dates for appointments and our country should never move to a governement health care system if we can have any say in it. He said he regulary crosses the border when he can for health care in the US.

I'm not saying it wasn't broken, but I don't think Obama's plan is fixing anything.
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I was hoping some members have tried D-sonic amps on the 212 Noesis.
Is the amp quiet , so no hiss or hum ?
And how do they sound?

I might go for the M3-4000-7.
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I do have some hiss with my D-Sonic and m 215RT's but nothing major.

But I am using RCA and not XLR, And I think XLR has a lower hiss overall (Please correct me if I am incorrect)
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I was hoping some members have tried D-sonic amps on the 212 Noesis.
Is the amp quiet , so no hiss or hum ?
And how do they sound?

I might go for the M3-4000-7.
The gain on the D-sonics is good, being 29dB and lower so that is a great sign. I have absolutely ZERO hiss on my Danleys, but have not plugged any 212's into it before. My guess is though, like others with 29dB gain amps on 212's, the hiss would be very minimal to non-existent.

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But I am using RCA and not XLR, And I think XLR has a lower hiss overall (Please correct me if I am incorrect)
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I do have some hiss with my D-Sonic and m 215RT's but nothing major.

But I am using RCA and not XLR, And I think XLR has a lower hiss overall (Please correct me if I am incorrect)
Did Jeff ever come and check on your problem?
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I don't want to get into the weeds with this, but that really depends on the speaker and how bad the room is. Some speakers require a lot of room treatments to shine and others not so much. Given the right speaker and my room I would spend all my money on the speaker and forget about dedicated treatments until I got some more cash. The power response of the speaker is huge here and although bass modes can be challenging they can be mitigated with proper positioning and RC that comes with most AVR's.

And again, I'm not saying room treatments aren't important or that they don't help - sometimes dramatically, just that the speaker selection can still trump it for SQ.

And this is not to be argumentative, I base this off my own experience in my own room.

Those M2's were in there BEFORE the room treatments. So I took notes on the SQ changes


Looks like you and I have opposite tastes when it comes to speaker placement. I really like the stereo image when I have the speakers further apart from each other than I am from the speakers and it looks like you have your speakers closer together than they are to you is that right? I actually have never tried that, the most narrow I've ever tried with the mains is the perfect triangle setup and I didn't like it as much.

I assume you have tried moving the M2's further apart but the above picture is what you prefer?
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Did Jeff ever come and check on your problem?
He did, but is in the analysis phase as to what could be causing it.
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He did, but is in the analysis phase as to what could be causing it.
Was he able to (at least) rule out the issue being the 215's or he still doesn't know?

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No idea. But I'm sure everything will be fine in the end.
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Looks like you and I have opposite tastes when it comes to speaker placement. I really like the stereo image when I have the speakers further apart from each other than I am from the speakers and it looks like you have your speakers closer together than they are to you is that right? I actually have never tried that, the most narrow I've ever tried with the mains is the perfect triangle setup and I didn't like it as much.

I assume you have tried moving the M2's further apart but the above picture is what you prefer?
They've already moved. I'm still in the positional exploration phase . I've been putting them all over the place. Way forward, way back, close in, wide apart... you get the idea . The M2 does not behave like other horns I've had in my room.
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They've already moved. I'm still in the positional exploration phase . I've been putting them all over the place. Way forward, way back, close in, wide apart... you get the idea . The M2 does not behave like other horns I've had in my room.
Are you taking copious notes so we can visualize your journey of speaker positions. Maybe put up a Youtube video so we can see the progression?
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The gain on the D-sonics is good, being 29dB and lower so that is a great sign. I have absolutely ZERO hiss on my Danleys, but have not plugged any 212's into it before. My guess is though, like others with 29dB gain amps on 212's, the hiss would be very minimal to non-existent.



Often true, but not always. Badly worked signal chains can introduce all kinds of artifacts.
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Different countries have different experience and expectations from the healthcare systems.

The US constitution can be amended with consent of the citizens. It is a very difficult process for good reason. Those of us who have taken an oath to give our lives to protect and defend the constitution get nervous about the political class wanting to change the foundational structure of the country without going through established processes that are as relevant today as they were 200 yrs ago.



Back on topic, anyone on here have the 210's? I can't seem to stop thinking about them. Deep enough bass extension for the music I like and with subs good to go for HT.
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Beautiful speakers Gooddoc. I hope you've found the end of your journey for a while.
Thx bud. Yea, I'm hoping too.
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