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Is there a place to hear the JTR's? I tried to get in on the NE GTG, but that was only open to certain people. My room is around 7,000cuft, but no room treatments yet.
As Reef said, there are many people all over with JTRs and this thread is so popular because of the people even more than the quality of the speakers. Let us know where you are and I'm sure we can get someone to let you listen to some JTRs.

What JTRs are you looking to hear? 212HTs? 228s? 215? Subs?
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Gorilla has a CNC and he has so much fun cutting wood, he's started offering DIY flat packs that are pretty easy to assemble with glue and some clamps. PM Gorilla83 to see how much he charges and what shipping would be to Hawaii.
Wow! He's own CNC. I wonder if he could do sealed flat packs for 21 FTW.
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Wow! He's own CNC. I wonder if he could do sealed flat packs for 21 FTW.
He can do anything. He is very good with the machine and very good at sketching up, whatever sub wise.,

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He can do anything. He is very good with the machine and very good at sketching up whatever sub wise.,
Nice! I'll be hitting him up soon... Now this is going to be interesting. btw, Reef, what's the dimensions of your ported box? If you mind I asking?
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He can do anything. He is very good with the machine and very good at sketching up whatever sub wise.,
Dang...I was going to say Nope, only SI subs. But yes, Gorilla is very talented and can design whatever is needed.

Here is Sibuna's build that Gorilla cut for his HS24. Sibuna's - Sealed SI24 Build

And here is the "Ported Primate" for the SI HST18. "Ported primate" build X 2
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Does anyone know the what the output dB of a single S2 is at 5 htz?
Your room is 4488cubic/ft, go to the ULF thread and use the calculator.
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According to the calculator you'll only be able to achieve reference levels from 16hz and up. It shows the 2m ground plate output of 104dB @ 10hz. Not sure what it would be at 5hz though.


Four Cap S2's will give you reference down to at least 10hz.
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Dang...I was going to say Nope, only SI subs. But yes, Gorilla is very talented and can design whatever is needed.

Here is Sibuna's build that Gorilla cut for his HS24. Sibuna's - Sealed SI24 Build

And here is the "Ported Primate" for the SI HST18. "Ported primate" build X 2
WOW! The sealed HS24's dimensions is perfect size for where I would put them in my HT.. 2 of those would work. If I go that route, I'll just use my Inuke 12000 to power those 24's and get a 3000 for my cc. And use my 6000 for the L/R. Oh man, Dgage, you had to show me that didn't you. Dammit, when will it ever stop! Ok last ones then.. Lol.. Soon my schedule will be back to normal. Then will have some time. But I need to find out the cost and shipping cost first.. aw man, I wonder what 2 sealed HS 24's with 4 S2's will do? Lol!
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I wonder what 2 sealed HS 24's with 4 S2's will do? Lol!
Easy. A friggin' earthquake that causes part of the island to fall into the sea. Please no! For the love of your house and the island...No!
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Easy. A friggin' earthquake that causes part of the island to fall into the sea. Please no! For the love of your house and the island...No!
It's just that I'm a slave to curiosity.. You know? Ok.. I just need to stay away from this forum. And especially this thread.. But after this..
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It's just that I'm a slave to curiosity.. You know? Ok.. I just need to stay away from this forum. And especially this thread.. But after this..
Best advice ever...wish someone would have given me that after I bought my JTR speaker system and built 3 LMS-5400s. But no...I had to stick around. Great guys but my wallet, oh hell, you don't need a wallet if you don't have any money right?
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WOW! The sealed HS24's dimensions is perfect size for where I would put them in my HT.. 2 of those would work. If I go that route, I'll just use my Inuke 12000 to power those 24's and get a 3000 for my cc. And use my 6000 for the L/R. Oh man, Dgage, you had to show me that didn't you. Dammit, when will it ever stop! Ok last ones then.. Lol.. Soon my schedule will be back to normal. Then will have some time. But I need to find out the cost and shipping cost first..
A flat pack for a 24" sub is going to weigh 150+lbs. Freight to Hawaii would be astronomical! <----More than the wood itself I presume. I'd imagine it would cost you north of $1,000 per box to get it cut and shipped out to you.

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aw man, I wonder what 2 sealed HS 24's with 4 S2's will do? Lol!
Unless you put the 24's nearfield, don't expect any real impressive output gains. Though no official 3rd party measurements have been done for either the SI24 or the S2 as of yet, speaking strictly from a mathematical perspective, one S2 will have similar displacement to one SI24 (xmax * sd = vd). Considering you would need 4 more S2's for an additional 6db of output, adding a pair of sealed SI24's would only give you a couple (2-3ish) more db's of headroom, depending on how you implement them.

Would be cool to see, but don't expect an absoute night an day difference (unless you do end up going nearfield ).

You could always build some massive (30ft^3) ported boxes (16Hz tune) for your SI24's and run them on your front stage. Would give you 130db+ above 16Hz and you could run all of your S2's nearfield.

^Now that sounds fun....
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But based on my experience with the LMS-5400s and HS24s, they may have similar output but my guess is that the HS24 will dig deeper than the S2. Without measurements that's just a guess but an educated guess.
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Ok... then option 3

5 x 212HT and 2 X S2's and Crowson transducers?
Skip anything past 3 mains unless in 45-60'x25-30'x15-20' high room. No gains with large surrounds except in multichannel mode which is fun but not the most used mode by far. Even when using it the bass is more important than full range in almost all scenarios.
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But based on my experience with the LMS-5400s and HS24s, they may have similar output but my guess is that the HS24 will dig deeper than the S2. Without measurements that's just a guess but an educated guess.
With a proper LT boost to combat box spring, your dual LMS-U's would be noticably closer in performance to the SI24 than they were at Beast's GTG. Apples to apples...
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A flat pack for a 24" sub is going to weigh 150+lbs. Freight to Hawaii would be astronomical! <----More than the wood itself I presume. I'd imagine it would cost you north of $1,000 per box to get it cut and shipped out to you.



Unless you put the 24's nearfield, don't expect any real impressive output gains. Though no official 3rd party measurements have been done for either the SI24 or the S2 as of yet, speaking strictly from a mathematical perspective, one S2 will have similar displacement to one SI24 (xmax * sd = vd). Considering you would need 4 more S2's for an additional 6db of output, adding a pair of sealed SI24's would only give you a couple (2-3ish) more db's of headroom, depending on how you implement them.

Would be cool to see, but don't expect an absoute night an day difference (unless you do end up going nearfield ).

You could always build some massive (30ft^3) ported boxes (16Hz tune) for your SI24's and run them on your front stage. Would give you 130db+ above 16Hz and you could run all of your S2's nearfield.

^Now that sounds fun....
Ok.. 3 db gain is not much then. Would be a total waste. And I don't need nearfeild placement. I already have more then enough tactile feel. Friggin whole floor and walls shake in the second level. 2 S2's are already behind the LP about 5 ft away. I wish I can move them further. Because I think that's what causing all sickness sometimes.lol.. Ported? That would be something. But 30 sq ft is just a WAF problem. 3 dbs only? That might just be scratch..
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Eh.. I guess I dont need more output down low. But, there's something been my mind recently. Ever since the 215's performing so well in the mid bass region. I'm kinda hook! I was actually looking at 2 growlers up front next to the L/R speakers. And the growlers is a perfect size up front. Thoughts?
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With a proper LT boost to combat box spring, your dual LMS-U's would be noticably closer in performance to the SI24 than they were at Beast's GTG. Apples to apples...
True...and I only had 2400w going to each LMS-5400...and now I have 4000w to each. But you could also apply an LT boost to the HS24. At Beast's GTG with dubstep, it was sonically clear how much more output the single HS24 had at 7Hz over the pair of LMS-5400s. Neither was optimized so they both could have done better and the LMS-5400s needed more power. But that HS24 is just a downright bad-@$$ subwoofer.
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Eh.. I guess I dont need more output down low. But, there's something been my mind recently. Ever since the 215's performing so well in the mid bass region. I'm kinda hook! I was actually looking at 2 growlers up front next to the L/R speakers. And the growlers is a perfect size up front. Thoughts?
Me thinks you should step away from the computer and go enjoy that beautiful damn weather you have in Hawaii!
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Me thinks you should step away from the computer and go enjoy that beautiful damn weather you have in Hawaii!
Lol.. How did you know we're at a stay cation in Waikiki near the beach right now? Lol.. Yea, I needed one. Checking out tomorrow though, and me and my boy gonna give T4 a run when we get home. Never watch it before..
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My vote is for option 3...

3 212's and 4 Orbit Shifters.

I love the S2's don't get me wrong, but the OS is the single most impressive sub I've ever heard.
Oh, this would be really something to hear. I second this option @SOWK

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Oh, this would be really something to hear. I second this option @SOWK
This was mentioned before.. He's after 5 hz. Not Spl.. In post #24097 , he said he knows 3 OS would top 4 S2's at 140dbs. But he said he don't need 140 dbs. He's after 5 hz @ 120 dbs. We need to help him get what he wants. Or we'll steer him in the wrong direction. Then he'll be a unhappy bro! You know? Look what happened to Dgage.. Lol.. j/k brotha..
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Hmm, I don't know how low digits numbers do with concrete. But if your after tactile feel too. Then you might wanna add transducers. Other then that, after countless threads here in AVS, seems ported on concrete maybe what you would want. Definately OS.. I think Popalock has he's sealed 16 18's on concrete. Some here got a demo of he's room. Maybe they can chime on here and tell us what they think of the single digits on concrete slab. Archaea? Carp?
Popalock's were a lot of fun, even if on concrete. The real fun was above 17hz. There were some fun party tricks below 17hz.

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Ok... then option 3

5 x 212HT and 2 X S2's and Crowson transducers?
I'm on concrete with two OS...and I don't need transducers nor can even fathom the thought of wanting them. In fact, none of my guests are willing to sit thru an entire movie at reference. Except other ht fans. S2 is the OS cousin, so I can't imagine it would be too different. There are individual preferences of course for different folks, so add on later if you think subs don't thrill you enough after you break them in.

212 as surrounds is a waste, but if you've got money to burn, go for it. Otherwise S8 all around, and on ceiling for atmos, is the logical choice and money well spent...or even the 228 if substantial size presence is playing into the decor gratification.

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Popalock's were a lot of fun, even if on concrete. The real fun was above 17hz. There were some fun party tricks below 17hz.



I'm on concrete with two OS...and I don't need transducers nor can even fathom the thought of wanting them. In fact, none of my guests are willing to sit thru an entire movie at reference. Except other ht fans. S2 is the OS cousin, so I can't imagine it would be too different. There are individual preferences of course for different folks, so add on later if you think subs don't thrill you enough after you break them in.

212 as surrounds is a waste, but if you've got money to burn, go for it. Otherwise S8 all around, and on ceiling for ceiling, is the logical choice and money well spent...or even the 228 if substantial size presence is playing into the decor gratification.
+2.. The slanted 8's still amazes me. So little but sound so big. Lol. SWOK.. Why don't you just keep your 215's and get 4 more for surrounds. And add 2 S8's later for ATMOS.. Wait, that will still not get you to 5hz. Ok, scratch that. Still a crazy setup though.. Haha

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This was mentioned before.. He's after 5 hz. Not Spl.. In post #24097 , he said he knows 3 OS would top 4 S2's at 140dbs. But he said he don't need 140 dbs. He's after 5 hz @ 120 dbs. We need to help him get what he wants. Or we'll steer him in the wrong direction. Then he'll be a unhappy bro! You know? Look what happened to Dgage.. Lol.. j/k brotha..
lol

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I'm such a party pooper on the skid mark chasers
I need to stop...it's really late and I'm a bit delirious.

On a serious note, anyone know how low would four OS potentially hit?

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The only way is up
I'm such a party pooper on the skid mark chasers
I need to stop...it's really late and I'm a bit delirious.

On a serious note, anyone know how low would four OS potentially hit?
They act as sealed below horn load. So, as low as 4 high excursion 18's will go...
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lol

The only way is up
I'm such a party pooper on the skid mark chasers
I need to stop...it's really late and I'm a bit delirious.

On a serious note, anyone know how low would four OS potentially hit?
I'll bet if corner loaded, single digits.. I do understand why SWOK and others including me chase after single digits. The ability to produce it with authority when opportunity comes. It is very fun. To date, for me, LS drop zone scene. Which last more 20 seconds in the 5-6 hz range. Longer then BHD. Play that scene at reference when anyone has the chance. I get a kick of it when everything vibrates. And some of your BD collection just falls off the BD shelf..lol. It's like this low way like thump or something that you just feel in your stomach.. I can't explain it. Theres also reports of a long bass sweep of some kind in EOT. Starting at 1 hz. Warning has been posted about this scene. I can't wait for my copy..
One thing I've learn though, even if you had a system that can produce single digits at reference. Make sure your amps is on there own 20 amp circuits atleast .. They take a lot of horse power to produce it. A few months ago, I found why I use to trip the breaker of 2 of my S2's all the time playing the Irene scene. It's was only logic that one circuit was tripping. So obviously they was on the same cuircut. Got my electrician to run another though. Don't know how he did it. But now they run so much better that way on its own 20 amp circuit. I feel the bass got more precise and cleaner at reference without tripping. Even with a 5db hc. Just more planning for achieving single digits. Btw, looking at the cones dance at scenes like LS scares the sh!t out of me. Unbelievably, the S2's is a solid performer for a turn key 5hz playa!!

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They act as sealed below horn load. So, as low as 4 high excursion 18's will go...
I figured, but any guesses on what number...possibly 5hz at 120db?

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I figured, but any guesses on what number...possibly 5hz at 120db?
The OS??? No sir. Four of them would not even come close to 120db @ 5Hz...
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You guys are funny as hell...

Get 4 OS's... WTF...

How much spl does one need above 20hz if I lock my pre-amp at reference... Lol

I will never be part of the... I want more then 120dB spl club...

And I only say 120dB because I want a little head room over reference.

In reality I only need 115dB at my seating. And 120dB if I run the bass hot.
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Plus any addional 212HT's would be used as wides and not surrounds.

Wides may not make all the difference now, but once or if atmos gets big it will be a nice to have an all matching set.

I'm actually afraid 4 S2's might be to much for the room. Ha. And here you are telling me to get 4 OS's...
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