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More JTR goodness. Now we have cops being called because we are all insane on this thread

Maybe its because I am in the basement or maybe its because you both get crazy with your 215s but I could never see my neighbors calling the cops for my HT. The sound doesn't travel outside the house very much at all. Sorry about your experience…sounds frustrating
I never thought anybody would call either. Like I said I have been blasting bass in my house for years and nobody has said anything. I thought I was safe to do a new room. If I find out it is was the guy next door, then there is going to be big problems. I have been dealing with all his noise for years and I never even thought about calling the cops. I even told him to tell me if there was any noise so I would know to tone it down or work on the soundproofing. I have had enough, I just am putting my house on the market. Like I said I absolutely hate where I live and the people. This is just reason #500 to finally move. I am getting the ball rolling today.

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Besides Dave, it's best that you practiced and made all your theater mistakes in someone else's house

The new one in YOUR house will be AWESOME!

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Yea, I got a text from the wife telling me to pick up whatever broke on my way back upstairs. I came up to find this in the living room:



Here is the subs running at -5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93UtpeYFTWw

I made it to -2 when I saw the DDT lights on the peavey, which I will take all day long



Same here in the basement, funny thing is I have to shut down the woodworking shop early as my garage and driveway are basically a megaphone to the neighbor's house... The only time they have EVER complained about noise was one night when I had the router going past midnight. I can go to +15 in the theater and no issue at all Definitely can't go to +15 on that scene up there tho^^^^^
Funny, this is all they have to do to sell a blu ray. You could take the worst movie put freakish bass in to the mix and they will sell a million copies. When we started EOT last night I forgot about the LFE and my wife said WFT is this? I just laughed, I did not expect it to be that early in the movie. I was enjoying the movie till the cops came. That was the first movie we sat down and watched in the theater. Nice huh?
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Besides Dave, it's best that you practiced and made all your theater mistakes in someone else's house

The new one in YOUR house will be AWESOME!

Haha!
I used quiet rock and I thought that would be good enough. I have two options. 1 would be to strip the room and sound proof it right. 2 Would be to move and get a house with a basement or a house away from neighbors. I really do not feel like putting anymore time or money into this house, so I think it is best to move. I guarantee this will never happen again in my next house.
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Yea, I got a text from the wife telling me to pick up whatever broke on my way back upstairs. I came up to find this in the living room:



Here is the subs running at -5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93UtpeYFTWw

I made it to -2 when I saw the DDT lights on the peavey, which I will take all day long



Same here in the basement, funny thing is I have to shut down the woodworking shop early as my garage and driveway are basically a megaphone to the neighbor's house... The only time they have EVER complained about noise was one night when I had the router going past midnight. I can go to +15 in the theater and no issue at all Definitely can't go to +15 on that scene up there tho^^^^^

Beast.. -2 on the EOT sound wave scene? Now, your friggin nuts!! If I did that I think my investment would fly out the window! Lol!
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Beast.. -2 on the EOT sound wave scene? Now, your friggin nuts!! If I did that I think my investment would fly out the window! Lol!
That's with a close to 15dB house curve on the subs too
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^^ ho crap! There's a place for guys like you to hang out at.. It's called the pchic ward!! Lol!
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Yea, I got a text from the wife telling me to pick up whatever broke on my way back upstairs. I came up to find this in the living room:



Here is the subs running at -5:



I made it to -2 when I saw the DDT lights on the peavey, which I will take all day long



Same here in the basement, funny thing is I have to shut down the woodworking shop early as my garage and driveway are basically a megaphone to the neighbor's house... The only time they have EVER complained about noise was one night when I had the router going past midnight. I can go to +15 in the theater and no issue at all Definitely can't go to +15 on that scene up there tho^^^^^
I simply love the debauchery on this thread..I vote to rename it:

"THE JTR DEBAUCHERY THREAD!!!..normal people keep out!!!!"

So you inspired to play the scene again. Yesterday I played it -11 and it was intense. Today I played it at around -8 and my shorts standard flapping around (not sure that has ever happened from my seat, which 14ft away from my screen)...started playing it at reference and thought my ceiling might collapse...not in a funny kind of way...in the I might die kind of way
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That's with a close to 15dB house curve on the subs too
I got to -4 before I started fearing for the house. I run nearly that much of a curve in a tiny room

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I got to -4 before I started fearing for the house. I run nearly that much of a curve in a tiny room

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rMpNs5E1pY
You guys are nuts.. I can't imagine going that much. Especially since I'm on a second level wood deck.. I'm so afraid at what it'll do to my house more then my subs.. Lol
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I just watched that scene about an hour ago and I was only at -20ish. I have no idea how you guys are watching it with house curves and multiple S2's and 10 21's.....that must sound like an earthquake in your houses. Having said that...you are all my hero's!!!

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That's with a close to 15dB house curve on the subs too
Hell ya!! I posted on the EOT thread that I was watching it over reference and people for sure think I'm nuts.... I didn't know it was so crazy when I first watched it, so I had to re-watch it at +5 with my house curve hahahaha. Thats one of the first movies that I was worried about my subs... although they took it fine, I was still ready with the volume just in case when I re-watched it.... good to see it's not only me that love to romp it!

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Hell ya!! I posted on the EOT thread that I was watching it over reference and people for sure think I'm nuts.... I didn't know it was so crazy when I first watched it, so I had to re-watch it at +5 with my house curve hahahaha. Thats one of the first movies that I was worried about my subs... although they took it fine, I was still ready with the volume just in case when I re-watched it.... good to see it's not only me that love to romp it!

Good lord if you were worried about your subs I better start at -30!!!!

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how low is the frequency for EOT? will the OS reach? I am getting the movie tmrw. btw Transformers sucked!! I mean as a movie. The sound was ok, kind of

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I read it in the DIY section. The opening scene is a 10Hz encoded at ~125dB. With 3 OS? You'll definately hit it. No fear brotha.. Those OS I believe are capable. I tried that scene again this past evening. Yesterday I tried it at -9 MV. Crazy? Well since some bros was doing -2 to +5. I wanted to see how much I could go. So, I set the MV to -5 and let it ride again. Haha.. The subs was more then capable alright. But, I don't know if the house is.. Lol.. The floor, it literly feels like a earthquake. No joke.. I was thinkin, I'm gonna meet the ground level. Especially I started to think about all that weight on a second floor deck. Never thought about it until after the scene, I busted out the iPad calculator and added up all estimate weight I have in my HT area.. I don't think I'm gonna do that scene at -5 again. Scary sh!t!
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Well it is late, but the bass was keeping somebody up I did not ask who, but I will find out tomorrow. I told the guy next door if he ever heard anything to tell me. He has Harleys and race cars and makes all kind of noise, so I know it is not him. There is a guy out towards the back and they are a pretensios couple, a bunch of snobs, so I know it was them. Apparently it is every night I keep them up. Funny because I have not been out there at night in like 5 days. Screw it, I am just selling this house and moving out in woods. I hate this neighborhood and all the people in it.
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My wife and I can't stand our neighborhood anymore either. It's changed so much over the past 15 yrs. and nobody is friendly. Never had the cops called though . Don't sell before I've had a chance to see and hear your theater!
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That's too bad man..

Even renovating my house caused me tons of problems with neighbors complaining.. one of my neighbor got it into their heads that just because i am renovating my house that i 'owe' them to repaint their entire house and fix everything that's broken in their 38 year old house... and they complain virtually everyday for 2 years...

What happened to the good ol days of neighbors who cares about each other and are understanding??
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Thank goodness I live in the country!
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Edge of Tomorrow... careful guys!

Post #38 has a graph, the OS wont play the lowest notes but there is enough above that that you will feel. the first post in that thread has a vid what it does with 2 Gjallarhorns.
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Post #38 has a graph, the OS wont play the lowest notes but there is enough above that that you will feel. the first post in that thread has a vid what it does with 2 Gjallarhorns.

The OS acts like an 18" sealed sub down low so it will still play the 10hz stuff just not with the same authority - at least I'm pretty sure how it works.
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Post #38 has a graph, the OS wont play the lowest notes but there is enough above that that you will feel. the first post in that thread has a vid what it does with 2 Gjallarhorns.
The OS will act like a sealed sub below the port tune frequency and duals were pretty flat to 7hz in my room (as measured by Jeff). I think they may be able to reproduce that 10hz wave.

Here is the raw data main seat measurement taken by Jeff the day we installed the first OS's. The LFU model would have a bit more to give down low.
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The OS will act like a sealed sub below the port tune frequency and duals were pretty flat to 7hz in my room (as measured by Jeff). I think they may be able to reproduce that 10hz wave.
Yeah but that's just 3 18" (Lance's setup) sealed subs which would pale in comparison to the output of the OS above 20hz. I bet if you had ran some compression sweeps the low stuff would stop keeping up pretty quickly on a graph as you went louder and louder.

I'm not ripping the OS, it's my all time favorite subwoofer and I've heard a lot of subwoofers.
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Yeah but that's just 3 18" (Lance's setup) sealed subs which would pale in comparison to the output of the OS above 20hz. I bet if you had ran some compression sweeps the low stuff would stop keeping up pretty quickly on a graph as you went louder and louder.

I'm not ripping the OS, it's my all time favorite subwoofer and I've heard a lot of subwoofers.
True, crazy output over 20hz but if it can get to 110db at 10hz then you will feel it in a normal sized room. Also true that the "effect" would be overwhelmed by the >20hz content. Please, let's not start that "importance of ULF" discussion again.

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The OS will act like a sealed sub below the port tune frequency and duals were pretty flat to 7hz in my room (as measured by Jeff). I think they may be able to reproduce that 10hz wave.
I don't know how close to those numbers i got but I think I may have been in the area when it got a bit scary. My room will make a difference of course, but do you recall what your levels were on the subs and on the av to get flat to 7hz?

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I don't know how close to those numbers i got but I think I may have been in the area when it got a bit scary. My room will make a difference of course, but do you recall what your levels were on the subs and on the av to get flat to 7hz?
I don't recall what the source was on those initial measurements. They were taken pre any EQ and I was really anxious to get to hearing them with actual content. Once I did, I didn't really care about the measurements ...

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Since we're talking about extreme bass here, I am a bit worried about the impact these bass would have on the floor right above the basement. If i stuck some rubber pads (those rubber inlays they use for carpets) onto the concrete ceiling, then follow by some rockwool, would that help? I am thinking, when the big wave hits the rubber, it won't really transfer to the concrete, and therefore, won't be transfering thru the entire concrete slab as well.. i intend to stick the same rubber on all walls and floor.. so, all bass will hit the rubber first before being transfered to concrete...
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Post #38 has a graph, the OS wont play the lowest notes but there is enough above that that you will feel. the first post in that thread has a vid what it does with 2 Gjallarhorns.
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carp and RMK! are right. An orbit shifter behaves at a minimum as an equivalent single sealed sub below the horn's knee, because it is a front loaded horn. (meaning one side of the driver faces a sealed space)
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At best it behaves with a 2 to 3dB improvment over the exact same driver in a single sealed enclosure because of the horn's load.
Driver excursion below the knee, horn vs. sealed


So a pair of Orbit Shifters would strictly speaking be at minimum equivalent to two cap s1 below 25hz. However with the horn loading the pair might be closer to say 3 Captivator S1s? at the lowest frequencies according to the data represented in the thread linked above by LTD02.
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well I stand corrected, for some reason I thought it rolled off higher then it does
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So reading the information on the OS....it seems to have the best of both worlds in terms of sealed vs ported/horn. Why wouldn't one chose the OS over the S2? Seems to be the best of both.


Am I missing anything?

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So reading the information on the OS....it seems to have the best of both worlds in terms of sealed vs ported/horn. Why wouldn't one chose the OS over the S2? Seems to be the best of both.


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1)Size - OS is like big foot

2)performance under 20HZ is inferior to S2

3)performance over 20HZ is superior to S2
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1)Size - OS is like big foot

2)performance under 20HZ is inferior to S2

3)performance over 20HZ is superior to S2
True, it is a big beast and certainly not as pretty as the S2 but if you're going duals and maybe have them behind an AT screen and based upon this from RMK:


"The OS will act like a sealed sub below the port tune frequency and duals were pretty flat to 7hz in my room (as measured by Jeff). I think they may be able to reproduce that 10hz wave."


Seems like you can get the best of both from dual OS's.

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Originally Posted by Nabs17 View Post
True, it is a big beast and certainly not as pretty as the S2 but if you're going duals and maybe have them behind an AT screen and based upon this from RMK:


"The OS will act like a sealed sub below the port tune frequency and duals were pretty flat to 7hz in my room (as measured by Jeff). I think they may be able to reproduce that 10hz wave."


Seems like you can get the best of both from dual OS's.
I have 1 OS and a couple of HSU 15s sealed.

For me, personally, i prefer the music quality of the sealed subs. Unless I am listening to music with a lot of 'bass', i would turn off my OS. Both my HSUs works very well with the JTR 212s, making them sort of full range seamlessly...

Of course, when it comes to output, the OS will put both the 15s to shame.

This is not to say the OS is not musical.. since they do behave a bit like sealed subs, they are very, very clean, but for some reason, perhaps a tad bit hard to control... it's like having a bull in a china shop (although this saying makes no sense as bulls are quite adroid and will probably not break anything in a china shop)...
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