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popalock's Avatar popalock 08:13 AM 10-08-2014
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@Reefdvr27 Or put another sub outside 180 deg. out of phase with your subs in your room. That will cancel everything out and it will be pure bass silence outside.

I know, I know, no need to thank me. I'm just here to help

Haahahaaha... Yeah, make sure everything is finalized and you have a closing date first...

Frohlich's Avatar Frohlich 08:16 AM 10-08-2014
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Haahahaaha... Yeah, make sure everything is finalized and you have a closing date first...
You know in the middle east they would cut out your subwoofer for these kind of offenses...though in your case they would be cutting out the 4 inch "bass driver" from you Bose module
beastaudio's Avatar beastaudio 08:48 AM 10-08-2014
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Haha! EOT..Just crazy guys! I have my avr sub trim at -5.0. Knob on the S2's pointing on the -11 dot. And a 5db hc through the antimode. I was kinda chicken sh!t at first. So I stood by one of my S2's with my remote. If incase my output on my S2 start to clip..lol.. Yea, I know, but it's my money invested.. Anyway turned up the MV to -9.0. Then let it ride. At first it was like expecting a bomb to explode.. Then suddenly BOOOOMM,BOOOoomm, BOooooooommm...the lowest wave made the amber clip lights go on solid on the output. But no red light. No clipping of the input. And no tripping of the breakers.. Just crazy raw bass.. My new demo scene now. Haha. I'm not gonna even talk about what that scene was doing to the house.. My wife at first looked at me weird when I was by one of the S2 with the remote. And she ask me, what are you doing? Then bamm.. She said WTH? Your a friggin nuts husband! lol...
Yea, I got a text from the wife telling me to pick up whatever broke on my way back upstairs. I came up to find this in the living room:



Here is the subs running at -5:

You Tube

I made it to -2 when I saw the DDT lights on the peavey, which I will take all day long

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Nothing better than country livin! I can party like its 1969 24/7 with 10 21" FTWs.
Same here in the basement, funny thing is I have to shut down the woodworking shop early as my garage and driveway are basically a megaphone to the neighbor's house... The only time they have EVER complained about noise was one night when I had the router going past midnight. I can go to +15 in the theater and no issue at all Definitely can't go to +15 on that scene up there tho^^^^^
Reefdvr27's Avatar Reefdvr27 08:50 AM 10-08-2014
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More JTR goodness. Now we have cops being called because we are all insane on this thread

Maybe its because I am in the basement or maybe its because you both get crazy with your 215s but I could never see my neighbors calling the cops for my HT. The sound doesn't travel outside the house very much at all. Sorry about your experience…sounds frustrating
I never thought anybody would call either. Like I said I have been blasting bass in my house for years and nobody has said anything. I thought I was safe to do a new room. If I find out it is was the guy next door, then there is going to be big problems. I have been dealing with all his noise for years and I never even thought about calling the cops. I even told him to tell me if there was any noise so I would know to tone it down or work on the soundproofing. I have had enough, I just am putting my house on the market. Like I said I absolutely hate where I live and the people. This is just reason #500 to finally move. I am getting the ball rolling today.
Gooddoc's Avatar Gooddoc 08:54 AM 10-08-2014
Besides Dave, it's best that you practiced and made all your theater mistakes in someone else's house

The new one in YOUR house will be AWESOME!

Haha!
Reefdvr27's Avatar Reefdvr27 08:55 AM 10-08-2014
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Yea, I got a text from the wife telling me to pick up whatever broke on my way back upstairs. I came up to find this in the living room:



Here is the subs running at -5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93UtpeYFTWw

I made it to -2 when I saw the DDT lights on the peavey, which I will take all day long



Same here in the basement, funny thing is I have to shut down the woodworking shop early as my garage and driveway are basically a megaphone to the neighbor's house... The only time they have EVER complained about noise was one night when I had the router going past midnight. I can go to +15 in the theater and no issue at all Definitely can't go to +15 on that scene up there tho^^^^^
Funny, this is all they have to do to sell a blu ray. You could take the worst movie put freakish bass in to the mix and they will sell a million copies. When we started EOT last night I forgot about the LFE and my wife said WFT is this? I just laughed, I did not expect it to be that early in the movie. I was enjoying the movie till the cops came. That was the first movie we sat down and watched in the theater. Nice huh?
Reefdvr27's Avatar Reefdvr27 09:03 AM 10-08-2014
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Besides Dave, it's best that you practiced and made all your theater mistakes in someone else's house

The new one in YOUR house will be AWESOME!

Haha!
I used quiet rock and I thought that would be good enough. I have two options. 1 would be to strip the room and sound proof it right. 2 Would be to move and get a house with a basement or a house away from neighbors. I really do not feel like putting anymore time or money into this house, so I think it is best to move. I guarantee this will never happen again in my next house.
rhed's Avatar rhed 09:14 AM 10-08-2014
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Yea, I got a text from the wife telling me to pick up whatever broke on my way back upstairs. I came up to find this in the living room:



Here is the subs running at -5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93UtpeYFTWw

I made it to -2 when I saw the DDT lights on the peavey, which I will take all day long



Same here in the basement, funny thing is I have to shut down the woodworking shop early as my garage and driveway are basically a megaphone to the neighbor's house... The only time they have EVER complained about noise was one night when I had the router going past midnight. I can go to +15 in the theater and no issue at all Definitely can't go to +15 on that scene up there tho^^^^^

Beast.. -2 on the EOT sound wave scene? Now, your friggin nuts!! If I did that I think my investment would fly out the window! Lol!
beastaudio's Avatar beastaudio 09:16 AM 10-08-2014
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Beast.. -2 on the EOT sound wave scene? Now, your friggin nuts!! If I did that I think my investment would fly out the window! Lol!
That's with a close to 15dB house curve on the subs too
rhed's Avatar rhed 09:54 AM 10-08-2014
^^ ho crap! There's a place for guys like you to hang out at.. It's called the pchic ward!! Lol!
Frohlich's Avatar Frohlich 09:58 AM 10-08-2014
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Yea, I got a text from the wife telling me to pick up whatever broke on my way back upstairs. I came up to find this in the living room:



Here is the subs running at -5:



I made it to -2 when I saw the DDT lights on the peavey, which I will take all day long



Same here in the basement, funny thing is I have to shut down the woodworking shop early as my garage and driveway are basically a megaphone to the neighbor's house... The only time they have EVER complained about noise was one night when I had the router going past midnight. I can go to +15 in the theater and no issue at all Definitely can't go to +15 on that scene up there tho^^^^^
I simply love the debauchery on this thread..I vote to rename it:

"THE JTR DEBAUCHERY THREAD!!!..normal people keep out!!!!"

So you inspired to play the scene again. Yesterday I played it -11 and it was intense. Today I played it at around -8 and my shorts standard flapping around (not sure that has ever happened from my seat, which 14ft away from my screen)...started playing it at reference and thought my ceiling might collapse...not in a funny kind of way...in the I might die kind of way
Sibuna's Avatar Sibuna 02:11 PM 10-08-2014
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Beast.. -2 on the EOT sound wave scene? Now, your friggin nuts!! If I did that I think my investment would fly out the window! Lol!
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That's with a close to 15dB house curve on the subs too
I got to -4 before I started fearing for the house. I run nearly that much of a curve in a tiny room

You Tube

rhed's Avatar rhed 02:29 PM 10-08-2014
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I got to -4 before I started fearing for the house. I run nearly that much of a curve in a tiny room

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rMpNs5E1pY
You guys are nuts.. I can't imagine going that much. Especially since I'm on a second level wood deck.. I'm so afraid at what it'll do to my house more then my subs.. Lol
Nabs17's Avatar Nabs17 03:29 PM 10-08-2014
I just watched that scene about an hour ago and I was only at -20ish. I have no idea how you guys are watching it with house curves and multiple S2's and 10 21's.....that must sound like an earthquake in your houses. Having said that...you are all my hero's!!!
N8DOGG's Avatar N8DOGG 06:07 PM 10-08-2014
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That's with a close to 15dB house curve on the subs too
Hell ya!! I posted on the EOT thread that I was watching it over reference and people for sure think I'm nuts.... I didn't know it was so crazy when I first watched it, so I had to re-watch it at +5 with my house curve hahahaha. Thats one of the first movies that I was worried about my subs... although they took it fine, I was still ready with the volume just in case when I re-watched it.... good to see it's not only me that love to romp it!
carp's Avatar carp 06:22 PM 10-08-2014
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Hell ya!! I posted on the EOT thread that I was watching it over reference and people for sure think I'm nuts.... I didn't know it was so crazy when I first watched it, so I had to re-watch it at +5 with my house curve hahahaha. Thats one of the first movies that I was worried about my subs... although they took it fine, I was still ready with the volume just in case when I re-watched it.... good to see it's not only me that love to romp it!

Good lord if you were worried about your subs I better start at -30!!!!

I get mine tomorrow, can't wait to check this out. My projector is not going to like this me thinks.
lbrown105's Avatar lbrown105 08:46 PM 10-08-2014
how low is the frequency for EOT? will the OS reach? I am getting the movie tmrw. btw Transformers sucked!! I mean as a movie. The sound was ok, kind of
rhed's Avatar rhed 10:44 PM 10-08-2014
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how low is the frequency for EOT? will the OS reach? I am getting the movie tmrw. btw Transformers sucked!! I mean as a movie. The sound was ok, kind of
I read it in the DIY section. The opening scene is a 10Hz encoded at ~125dB. With 3 OS? You'll definately hit it. No fear brotha.. Those OS I believe are capable. I tried that scene again this past evening. Yesterday I tried it at -9 MV. Crazy? Well since some bros was doing -2 to +5. I wanted to see how much I could go. So, I set the MV to -5 and let it ride again. Haha.. The subs was more then capable alright. But, I don't know if the house is.. Lol.. The floor, it literly feels like a earthquake. No joke.. I was thinkin, I'm gonna meet the ground level. Especially I started to think about all that weight on a second floor deck. Never thought about it until after the scene, I busted out the iPad calculator and added up all estimate weight I have in my HT area.. I don't think I'm gonna do that scene at -5 again. Scary sh!t!
jlpowell84's Avatar jlpowell84 12:08 AM 10-09-2014
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Well it is late, but the bass was keeping somebody up I did not ask who, but I will find out tomorrow. I told the guy next door if he ever heard anything to tell me. He has Harleys and race cars and makes all kind of noise, so I know it is not him. There is a guy out towards the back and they are a pretensios couple, a bunch of snobs, so I know it was them. Apparently it is every night I keep them up. Funny because I have not been out there at night in like 5 days. Screw it, I am just selling this house and moving out in woods. I hate this neighborhood and all the people in it.
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Sounds like the primates are getting a bit unruly in their cages, lol

My wife and I can't stand our neighborhood anymore either. It's changed so much over the past 15 yrs. and nobody is friendly. Never had the cops called though . Don't sell before I've had a chance to see and hear your theater!
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That's too bad man..

Even renovating my house caused me tons of problems with neighbors complaining.. one of my neighbor got it into their heads that just because i am renovating my house that i 'owe' them to repaint their entire house and fix everything that's broken in their 38 year old house... and they complain virtually everyday for 2 years...

What happened to the good ol days of neighbors who cares about each other and are understanding??
I feel people are just getting worse in respect to attitude in general. I understand people have bad days but. I was at a local pharmacy inside a grocery store here last week when the store manager (I looked at his name plate) walked up and made some comments about the Oregon Duck game last night to the guy on the other side of the pharmacy counter helping me. I then chimed in cheerfully and with a smile on my face and he literally looked at me and walked away with a stone cold look on his face. I picked up a cordless drill at Lowes yesterday for our machine shop at work and the guy at the checkout didn't even look at me in the eye once and he was pretty stale. I don't expect anything from anyone but it shows evidence. I always am enthusiastic for customers at my work, after all they ultimately help my living and my bonus. But the main reason is I feel it's just right to try and make a conscious effort about being kind and enthusiastic.

Thank goodness I live in the country!
Sibuna's Avatar Sibuna 07:16 AM 10-09-2014
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how low is the frequency for EOT? will the OS reach? I am getting the movie tmrw. btw Transformers sucked!! I mean as a movie. The sound was ok, kind of
Edge of Tomorrow... careful guys!

Post #38 has a graph, the OS wont play the lowest notes but there is enough above that that you will feel. the first post in that thread has a vid what it does with 2 Gjallarhorns.
carp's Avatar carp 08:45 AM 10-09-2014
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Edge of Tomorrow... careful guys!

Post #38 has a graph, the OS wont play the lowest notes but there is enough above that that you will feel. the first post in that thread has a vid what it does with 2 Gjallarhorns.

The OS acts like an 18" sealed sub down low so it will still play the 10hz stuff just not with the same authority - at least I'm pretty sure how it works.
RMK!'s Avatar RMK! 08:59 AM 10-09-2014
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Edge of Tomorrow... careful guys!

Post #38 has a graph, the OS wont play the lowest notes but there is enough above that that you will feel. the first post in that thread has a vid what it does with 2 Gjallarhorns.
The OS will act like a sealed sub below the port tune frequency and duals were pretty flat to 7hz in my room (as measured by Jeff). I think they may be able to reproduce that 10hz wave.

Here is the raw data main seat measurement taken by Jeff the day we installed the first OS's. The LFU model would have a bit more to give down low.

carp's Avatar carp 09:10 AM 10-09-2014
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The OS will act like a sealed sub below the port tune frequency and duals were pretty flat to 7hz in my room (as measured by Jeff). I think they may be able to reproduce that 10hz wave.
Yeah but that's just 3 18" (Lance's setup) sealed subs which would pale in comparison to the output of the OS above 20hz. I bet if you had ran some compression sweeps the low stuff would stop keeping up pretty quickly on a graph as you went louder and louder.

I'm not ripping the OS, it's my all time favorite subwoofer and I've heard a lot of subwoofers.
RMK!'s Avatar RMK! 09:31 AM 10-09-2014
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Yeah but that's just 3 18" (Lance's setup) sealed subs which would pale in comparison to the output of the OS above 20hz. I bet if you had ran some compression sweeps the low stuff would stop keeping up pretty quickly on a graph as you went louder and louder.

I'm not ripping the OS, it's my all time favorite subwoofer and I've heard a lot of subwoofers.
True, crazy output over 20hz but if it can get to 110db at 10hz then you will feel it in a normal sized room. Also true that the "effect" would be overwhelmed by the >20hz content. Please, let's not start that "importance of ULF" discussion again.
asoofi1's Avatar asoofi1 09:32 AM 10-09-2014
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The OS will act like a sealed sub below the port tune frequency and duals were pretty flat to 7hz in my room (as measured by Jeff). I think they may be able to reproduce that 10hz wave.
I don't know how close to those numbers i got but I think I may have been in the area when it got a bit scary. My room will make a difference of course, but do you recall what your levels were on the subs and on the av to get flat to 7hz?
RMK!'s Avatar RMK! 09:39 AM 10-09-2014
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I don't know how close to those numbers i got but I think I may have been in the area when it got a bit scary. My room will make a difference of course, but do you recall what your levels were on the subs and on the av to get flat to 7hz?
I don't recall what the source was on those initial measurements. They were taken pre any EQ and I was really anxious to get to hearing them with actual content. Once I did, I didn't really care about the measurements ...
coolgeek's Avatar coolgeek 10:05 AM 10-09-2014
Since we're talking about extreme bass here, I am a bit worried about the impact these bass would have on the floor right above the basement. If i stuck some rubber pads (those rubber inlays they use for carpets) onto the concrete ceiling, then follow by some rockwool, would that help? I am thinking, when the big wave hits the rubber, it won't really transfer to the concrete, and therefore, won't be transfering thru the entire concrete slab as well.. i intend to stick the same rubber on all walls and floor.. so, all bass will hit the rubber first before being transfered to concrete...
Archaea's Avatar Archaea 10:27 AM 10-09-2014
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Originally Posted by Sibuna View Post
Edge of Tomorrow... careful guys!

Post #38 has a graph, the OS wont play the lowest notes but there is enough above that that you will feel. the first post in that thread has a vid what it does with 2 Gjallarhorns.
Adam,

carp and RMK! are right. An orbit shifter behaves at a minimum as an equivalent single sealed sub below the horn's knee, because it is a front loaded horn. (meaning one side of the driver faces a sealed space)
Dayton Audio UM18-22 18" Ultimax to be released


At best it behaves with a 2 to 3dB improvment over the exact same driver in a single sealed enclosure because of the horn's load.
Driver excursion below the knee, horn vs. sealed


So a pair of Orbit Shifters would strictly speaking be at minimum equivalent to two cap s1 below 25hz. However with the horn loading the pair might be closer to say 3 Captivator S1s? at the lowest frequencies according to the data represented in the thread linked above by LTD02.
Sibuna's Avatar Sibuna 10:53 AM 10-09-2014
well I stand corrected, for some reason I thought it rolled off higher then it does
Nabs17's Avatar Nabs17 11:30 AM 10-09-2014
So reading the information on the OS....it seems to have the best of both worlds in terms of sealed vs ported/horn. Why wouldn't one chose the OS over the S2? Seems to be the best of both.


Am I missing anything?
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