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post #24571 of 29276 Old 10-15-2014, 10:35 AM
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The discussion about having the cops called reminds me of when I rented a condo whose walls were constructed with very good sound proofing, as I was told by the landlord before moving in. I didn't even run any subs, just my Legacy Focus SE's. The neighbors below me were 80+ and had trouble sleeping through the night anyway, and the lady neighbor to the side had PTSD I later found out. Anything above around -20dB (relative to ref) or after 8 pm, I either got knocking on my door, reported to the HOA, and once had the cops called. Before it got nasty, the husband of the PTSD lady asked me to play the music at my normal level and come over to his living room to experience how bad it was. I was shocked when I walked in and could barely hear anything. I nodded my head, went back to my living room, and kept the music playing at the same level. A half hour later, the cops showed up. These same people threatened to sue. I moved out of the place a few months later, and now rent a house on an avocado ranch. Closest neighbors are 100+ feet away and have never complained about the noise, even with lots of windows open in the theater room.
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Hey Dave, when can I come over to listen to the 215's? It's about time, no? I need to scope out my gtg competition
Nope, Don't think this is fair, you need to come in as blind as we all do to this g2g. That's like the Pat's filming the Jet's practice sessions.

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Yep, Blows big time. As of right now I have to say it is a bad time. I mean it would be like coming to a Nascar race and they could only do 40. Until I find out who called on me and how much I can get away with, I am really on hold. If it is the guy next door it will be a problem. He has a horrible reputation, I mean I have never heard a good thing about this guy. I get along great with his wife, but he is just an ahole. The guy has a ton of money and I would not put it past him to sue me or file a complaint. It is ashame because I have never been anything but nice to him as my wife.

I have been reading about soundproofing my room and I could rip it out and re rock it, could probably get it done in two weeks. I just don't know if it will hold or not. I mean I have not even had subwoofers on yet, just the 215's. If I tear this room out, I want to be sure that I can get it sound proofed right and that it can hold back major bass. If not, there is no sense in doing it. I mean I guess this certainly says how much bass the 215's have if the guy next door can hear it in a somewhat pretty contained room.
Dude, anything short of throwing cinderblock all the way around that space, you will likely have some problems. How close IS this guy? Need me to come up there dance some knuckles across home-boy's forehead?

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As much as I enjoy music on the 215's, movies are still my #1 priority for the system primarily due to the room (dedicated movie room) and my "old man" attitude about music (hey kids, get off my lawn!). I would never make it through Andrews GTG as I find most metal music and all that grandiose posturing and pretentious playing of those metal bands nauseating after short exposure.

That otta stir up the hornets ... .
Consider them stirred. Haha. As Dave said, we actually have never played ANY screamy music, more rock and hardrock, no real "Metal" and still very little at that....
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Nope, Don't think this is fair, you need to come in as blind as we all do to this g2g. That's like the Pat's filming the Jet's practice sessions.



Dude, anything short of throwing cinderblock all the way around that space, you will likely have some problems. How close IS this guy? Need me to come up there dance some knuckles across home-boy's forehead?



Consider them stirred. Haha. As Dave said, we actually have never played ANY screamy music, more rock and hardrock, no real "Metal" and still very little at that....
Yeah well I was (partially ) just trying to make myself feel better about not being able to join in the fun of these far away GTG's . A blind test of the 215RT's and M2's is very cool and I am interested in the results.

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Nope, Don't think this is fair, you need to come in as blind as we all do to this g2g. That's like the Pat's filming the Jet's practice sessions.



Dude, anything short of throwing cinderblock all the way around that space, you will likely have some problems. How close IS this guy? Need me to come up there dance some knuckles across home-boy's forehead?



Consider them stirred. Haha. As Dave said, we actually have never played ANY screamy music, more rock and hardrock, no real "Metal" and still very little at that....
Haha, thanks for the back up. I will get it fixed. I don't want any soured up people around me, that is for sure. Like I said I am more pissed that the guy just could not come and talk like a man and I even gave him the option to do so and still called the cops on me. I just cannot get over that. They even have my number, they could have called. If you go on my Facebook page in the timeline photos, I have some pics I took of the snow a few years ago. You can see how close the two house are in those shots.

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OK, update for everyone.

Keeping the JTR 215's and Seatons and bought a Level 3 Crowson Transducer System.

Going to run the JTR's full range and the Seatons with LFE, and Route LFE from my OPPO to the Crowsons Transducers.
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Am I crazy that I watch all movies at reference?

When I came to the thread I thought most of you listened to above reference...

Then I start reading that a lot of you using -10 or -6...

I guess I am the crazy one...


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If I would watch EOT at reference with my Seatons, do I have to worry about damaging them? I also usually run the Seatons hot about 4-5db.

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OK, update for everyone.

Keeping the JTR 215's and Seatons and bought a Level 3 Crowson Transducer System.

Going to run the JTR's full range and the Seatons with LFE, and Route LFE from my OPPO to the Crowsons Transducers.
Nice, glad you got it worked out.

Speaking of Seaton's, did anyone see that the Cat 12's got the most dynamic award at RMAF by a poster at Home theater shack? I will tell you I am pretty interested in the mini dsp with Dirac. Sounds like it did a nice job on the Cat 12's
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Haha, thanks for the back up. I will get it fixed. I don't want any soured up people around me, that is for sure. Like I said I am more pissed that the guy just could not come and talk like a man and I even gave him the option to do so and still called the cops on me. I just cannot get over that. They even have my number, they could have called. If you go on my Facebook page in the timeline photos, I have some pics I took of the snow a few years ago. You can see how close the two house are in those shots.
So you know which neighbor called?
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Am I crazy that I watch all movies at reference?

When I came to the thread I thought most of you listened to above reference...

Then I hear about alot of you using -10 or -6...

I guess I am the crazy one...


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If I would watch EOT at reference with my Seatons, do I have to worry about damaging them? I also usually run the Seatons hot about 4-5db.

Are you crazy..maybe...probably just as crazy as the rest of us on this thread. I do prefer to watch movies around -10. For me, in my room, reference is too loud. The speakers can do it no problem...it just isn't comfortable for me sound wise. I do have sound treatments but maybe I need more???

I would think the Seatons could hang at reference without being damaged. I think there is more chance other things would get damaged....see beastaudios's picture of stuff spilling everywhere upstairs from the bass in that movie
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OK, update for everyone.

Keeping the JTR 215's and Seatons and bought a Level 3 Crowson Transducer System.

Going to run the JTR's full range and the Seatons with LFE, and Route LFE from my OPPO to the Crowsons Transducers.

Glad it worked out for you and the 215's...I was just wondering what your status was and saw this.


I got an e-mail from Jeff today saying he is running behind by about a week...so I'll be waiting a little longer to officially join the JTR club.

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OK, update for everyone.

Keeping the JTR 215's and Seatons and bought a Level 3 Crowson Transducer System.

Going to run the JTR's full range and the Seatons with LFE, and Route LFE from my OPPO to the Crowsons Transducers.
Gonna play the devil's advocate here, but what technically does adding crowsons accomplish? You were finding the limits of the 215's regardless, so I feel like you still would...I don't see how this solves anything...

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Nice, glad you got it worked out.

Speaking of Seaton's, did anyone see that the Cat 12's got the most dynamic award at RMAF by a poster at Home theater shack? I will tell you I am pretty interested in the mini dsp with Dirac. Sounds like it did a nice job on the Cat 12's
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I have had an itchy trigger finger for that for a while now.
In that case, might as well hit the "buy it now" button....do it...get it out of the way...we all know how this will end...now we are just talking about timing
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Am I crazy that I watch all movies at reference?

When I came to the thread I thought most of you listened to above reference...

Then I start reading that a lot of you using -10 or -6...

I guess I am the crazy one...


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If I would watch EOT at reference with my Seatons, do I have to worry about damaging them? I also usually run the Seatons hot about 4-5db.
1. Yes you are crazy...which is why you fit in so well on this thread.

2. I haven't read any reports of Seaton Submersives being damaged and I've read Mark hits his equipment pretty hard at the GTGs sometimes. So I'd be surprised if you were able to hurt your Seaton Submersives unless you were trying to break them.
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In that case, might as well hit the "buy it now" button....do it...get it out of the way...we all know how this will end...now we are just talking about timing
Yea I know, other things in line first...if I had nothing else I wanted at this point in time, I would have already owned it

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1. Yes you are crazy...which is why you fit in so well on this thread.

2. I haven't read any reports of Seaton Submersives being damaged and I've read Mark hits his equipment pretty hard at the GTGs sometimes. So I'd be surprised if you were able to hurt your Seaton Submersives unless you were trying to break them.
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Beast, I will only run the 215RT's full range now vs Full Range and LFE. That alone will fix my issues I have been having.

And I am getting the crowsons as an exstention to the LFE to feel down to 5htz as I am being told its near impossible to get anything of great usefulness on my concrete slab that low.
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I never really got into head phones, my dad is a big audiophile guy, but real quality music and video is his thing. I know when I was a kid he always had head phones on. Reel to reel and head phones is still the best I have heard. Anyway I have never used head phones for home theater, but I was thinking about using headphones in my theater at night for the time being till I figure out what I am doing. What would be a good set of head phones for say that 7.1 sound? Do they connect right in your system or do you need an external processor? My son was a big gammer till he got a car, but I think he used Astros? I know I paid a fortune for them, he said they made it sound like home theater. Could be a temporary solution till I get my problems worked out.
The only way to get surround is if the processor has it built in.... or a external soundcard. It's not worth the bother. Astros would have had the mixamp with them, which is a small soundcard pretty much. You'd be amazed what a good set of phones can sound like! I tend to like open phones but when I want some serious bass, I throw on my closed Fostex TH900's! They outbass any other phone I've ever tired, just amazing! and they will work with ipods or any handheld unit since they are really sensitive..... You just have to stomach the $1500 price tag lol.

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Beast, I will only run the 215RT's full range now vs Full Range and LFE. That alone will fix my issues I have been having.

And I am getting the crowsons as an exstention to the LFE to feel down to 5htz as I am being told its near impossible to get anything of great usefulness on my concrete slab that low.
How do you run full range with no LFE? IS something that the mini dsp does. I have never used a mini dsp so you have to excuse me for asking.
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How do you run full range with no LFE? IS something that the mini dsp does. I have never used a mini dsp so you have to excuse me for asking.
I read it to mean he was routing the LFE channel to the mains and to the subs. Now he will just route the LFE to the subs and the let the 215s run full range on the L/R channel signal only.
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I read it to mean he was routing the LFE channel to the mains and to the subs. Now he will just route the LFE to the subs and the let the 215s run full range on the L/R channel signal only.
Yeah I get it now. I read it wrong at first.
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Catching up here (after watching the Royals clinch a trip to the World Fing Series!!!! 8-0 in the playoffs - no way this is actually happening!!!!)

Dave, that sucks man. I wouldn't mess with trying to soundproof the new theater room. No matter what you do you won't be able to keep the bass from escaping and that's what your neighbors are hearing anyway. So.... I guess the only option is to move. That really sucks but if I had neighbors calling the cops I would move too.

Depressing stuff.....
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I would figure out exactly what level you can play your system and still be within the noise ordinance levels. It's your house, you pay taxes like everyone else. I haven't seen you state what the actual noise levels are outside your home?

Maybe it's your neighbors that have to move! Have you considered that?? Sorry man, I just wouldn't give up because some wanker wants to live in a graveyard. If I was within ordinance I would stand my ground and let them move. Sorry, I know this is against the general advice here, but I would have data on what's going on here. Come on Dave, your an audio guy, take measurements man. Your neighbors don't even know what an SPL meter is!!
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What a great story so far!

They are my adopted team right now since the Pirates stunk it up in the wild card game.
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I downloaded the free 30 day trial of the two channel Dirac Live the other day. Haven't had a lot of time with it but I have confirmed with REW before and after Dirac filter is in place that there is nice improvement in impulse response. Need more listening time for subjective opinion, but the objective tests are much improved. Now I am looking forward to XMC-1 Dirac implementation more than ever.


Without Dirac I have no less than 9 peaks above -15dB in the first 10ms. With Dirac filter running I have 2, maybe 3 in that same range.
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1. Yes you are crazy...which is why you fit in so well on this thread.

2. I haven't read any reports of Seaton Submersives being damaged and I've read Mark hits his equipment pretty hard at the GTGs sometimes. So I'd be surprised if you were able to hurt your Seaton Submersives unless you were trying to break them.
Correct. I expect my customers to eventually explore the limits of their system. It takes some 3 years to get there, and others 30 seconds.

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Yea I know, other things in line first...if I had nothing else I wanted at this point in time, I would have already owned it

He has those limiters built in for a reason...keep people from abusing his shtuff.
I think of it more as protecting them from unknowingly abusing their *own* shtuff.
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Mark, are you typically more concerned with thermal or mechanical protection in the Submersive/Cats?
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I would figure out exactly what level you can play your system and still be within the noise ordinance levels. It's your house, you pay taxes like everyone else. I haven't seen you state what the actual noise levels are outside your home?

Maybe it's your neighbors that have to move! Have you considered that?? Sorry man, I just wouldn't give up because some wanker wants to live in a graveyard. If I was within ordinance I would stand my ground and let them move. Sorry, I know this is against the general advice here, but I would have data on what's going on here. Come on Dave, your an audio guy, take measurements man. Your neighbors don't even know what an SPL meter is!!
Agreed 100% here. Walk around with an SPL meter and your cell phone, play some music with some serious bass and get the wife to adjust the volume until you find the limit of the system and just remember to not go over that. take pics of the spl readings and your locations. With knowledge comes power. Remember the statute number, and memorize the legal verbage exactly so that the next time some cops come knocking, you can clearly state that you are inside the law and give them the proof. They will likely forward this information on to the Shi$$y neighbor at which point it becomes their problem, not yours. They don't like it? They can move.

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Correct. I expect my customers to eventually explore the limits of their system. It takes some 3 years to get there, and others 30 seconds.



I think of it more as protecting them from unknowingly abusing their *own* shtuff.
Yes, thanks for the correction But just HOW many more dB's COULD you get without those limiters??? Haha
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Very cool. I hope this post is OK as I copied the image and text from the other forum. I assume the "douche" mentioned below is our one and only DD . I think this review really points out the importance of proper setup, and in using great source material. I (and several others here) know the 215RT's are capable of this type of performance. It's is nice to hear a report from someone who isn't part of the JTR fan base.
I finally got home last night at 11 pm from RMAF. I had a great time with Jeff. The "douche" wasn't me. This was me : "Oh thank god, a decent human being slapped down that track and put our disc back on." I've followed Tyson and Pez's live coverage for for quite a few years and was excited to have them in the room. No way I was going to mess with the listening of their own CD. We did get other requests for Hotel California and the room up the hall (Nola) was playing it almost constantly. They basically switched back and forth between Hotel California and The Pink Panther.

I started room setup at 9 am on Thursday and we were done by about 7 pm. It took a while just to carry everything up to the room and unpack it all. Glenn with GIK Acoustics stopped by in the afternoon and said we had the treatments setup in optimal places. He also took a look at our measurements. Our room had more treatments than any other room at RMAF. Jeff and I measured the left, right, and both speakers from 5 positions (3 front row seats and the middle seat for rows 2 & 3). We ended up averaging the left measurements and the right measurements. For the low end EQ (up to 300 Hz) the speakers were almost identical and we used the same filters for left/right. For 300 Hz and above we used a few very subtle filters that were speaker dependent. Jeff and I discussed everything and made the decisions together. He did want a higher bass curve than I prefer so I added it in. There was one filter at around 6000 Hz for each speaker that I though made it too bright so Jeff let me turn it off. It was nice being able to turn stuff on/off on the fly while listening to music. Once dialed in, upright bass music sounded the same at most of the seats.

Some comments of mine on the show:
  • I didn't hear anything I liked better than the JTR 215HT's
  • The 215HT's delicacy and dynamics were incredible
  • I listened to the 215HT's for about 9 1/2 hours on Saturday with no fatigue
  • I listened to a few other rooms for around 30 minutes on Saturday and 30-45 minutes on Sunday
  • The 400 watts/channel Maraschino amps handled the loudest volumes we ever listened to (including the Jericho clip from Iron Man)
  • 3 rooms I listened to were playing LP's. The record static noise and pops/crackles in all 3 rooms drove me crazy. If I even had even 1 pop per song with my HTPC I would get rid of it.
  • I listened to 5 pairs of Abyss headphones ($5,495 each) with some very high end DAC's. I'm realized I'm not a headphone guy and that they don't hold a candle to live playback levels with the 215RT's.
  • Tube amplifiers give me headaches. It happened in each room. I also don't like the bloated note sound.
  • I heard the most comments in the room after playback of Sarah McLachlan's Angel.
  • Most people had no music requests at all - "What you are playing sounds fine with me."
  • Only a handful brought CD's or flash drives with their own music to listen to.
  • The concert Blu-rays seemed to be a big hit. We played the lossless 2 channel track.

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