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Lance, where do you get this free Dirac? I assume it's a limited time kind of thing?
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Lance, where do you get this free Dirac? I assume it's a limited time kind of thing?
I assume he's talking about the trial.
The free trial works for up to 8 channels, unless they changed something.
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Lance, where do you get this free Dirac? I assume it's a limited time kind of thing?
He has an Emotiva XMC 1, they may have finally gave him the firmware upgrade to the Dirac?
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I don't have Dirac directly on the XM-1 yet (although on the lounge they are showing the GUI and say they have resolved the networking issues, so it will likely ship very soon). I am using the free 2 channel trial on Dirac's website. Check rcohen's link. Carp I am finding for the type of music you listen to the difference is greater for my perception. Seems like it resolves complicated sections and further reduces listener fatigue in those type of "busy" genres. Notice it a bit less in dance type music with simpler arrangements. Just my anecdotal opinion so far.

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I just ordered my 3rd bulb for my Epson 8350.

I'll keep the other 2 for backups, one bulb has 2000 hours on it and the other has 2300. They really aren't crazy dim, but both are noticeably dimmer enough that it bugs me just a touch when watching tv with the lights on.

My second bulb I bought directly from Epson. This time I bought from Bulbs.com. From Epson it's 300 and was only 179 on bulbs.com. Now, I know that may be stupid but I'm taking the gamble. I called bulbs.com and they said the actual bulb is OEM but the housing is generic. They have a 90 day warranty, so I have a little time to see how it goes. I think Epson's warranty is only 90 days as well.

I bought the 8350 3 years ago, almost to the day so that means one bulb lasts me 1.5 years. That's not bad IMO considering how often I watch tv down here.

Do any of you guys use your projector for tv watching with the lights on? If so how many hours can you do that with your bulbs? I of course turn off the lights for movies but I like sports and tv shows with the lights on.

Hmm it does depend on the show though... comedies lights stay on. Shows like Game of Thrones, House of Cards, etc. lights are off.
Considering how bright my room is during the day, I don't need the lights on. BUT!!! I am taking the windows out in the next couple of weeks and reframing the holes and that will knock out 75% of my light problem and help with contain some of the sound for now until I can get the room sound proofed in a couple of months. I need to go get an HD cable box with an HDMI output for the projector, I keep forgetting to go and get it. I will certainly watch more TV in the theater when I get it. Probably more sports than anything. I know one thing my theater chairs are dangerous, I am asleep in 10 minutes, to comfy. We watched Snowpiercer last night and I don't remember anything.
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I don't have Dirac directly on the XM-1 yet (although on the lounge they are showing the GUI and say they have resolved the networking issues, so it will likely ship very soon). I am using the free 2 channel trial on Dirac's website. Check rcohen's link. Carp I am finding for the type of music you listen to the difference is greater for my perception. Seems like it resolves complicated sections and further reduces listener fatigue in those type of "busy" genres. Notice it a bit less in dance type music with simpler arrangements. Just my anecdotal opinion so far.
When you take measurements, see if you can select 7.1 from the drop down. 2 channel is the default, but the free trial should be capable of surround.

My take on Dirac Live has been pretty similar. It does noticeably better than Audyssey. It seems to tighten things up, while Audyssey seems to make things a little muddy. It sounds less like you are in a room and more like you are wearing headphones. The degree of the difference depends on the room.

Also, it gives you excellent control and iteration over the target curve, so it is great for tuning the sound to your taste/music, even if it didn't do room correction. I find this to be at least as useful as the room correction.

A couple areas where you can get into trouble, though, is making sure the clip light isn't flashing, and getting a nice treble curve with speakers like JTRs with extended treble. I had to zoom into the right side of the graph before the UI would like me get the curve I was after, without spiking the treble at the end. The UI seems to be designed for speakers where the treble isn't flat past 20khz.
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I already have HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. I thought of using a 4K TV for RMAF, but we used Jeff's plasma instead.

During setup for RMAF, I also installed Dirac Live and took measurements with it. It is very easy to use. Unfortunately the filters wouldn't work and I didn't hear back from Dirac support in time to actually try it out in our room. I wanted to compare to our manual filter setup.
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I don't have Dirac directly on the XM-1 yet (although on the lounge they are showing the GUI and say they have resolved the networking issues, so it will likely ship very soon). I am using the free 2 channel trial on Dirac's website. Check rcohen's link. Carp I am finding for the type of music you listen to the difference is greater for my perception. Seems like it resolves complicated sections and further reduces listener fatigue in those type of "busy" genres. Notice it a bit less in dance type music with simpler arrangements. Just my anecdotal opinion so far.
Ok, wow, sounds like I have to try this! So, just go to the website and download a free trial? I'll try that this afternoon if I get time. I play all my music from my computer so I assume this will work for music listening. I don't play movies from my computer but I could try some clips that I have saved.
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I assume he's talking about the trial.
The free trial works for up to 8 channels, unless they changed something.
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Considering how bright my room is during the day, I don't need the lights on. BUT!!! I am taking the windows out in the next couple of weeks and reframing the holes and that will knock out 75% of my light problem and help with contain some of the sound for now until I can get the room sound proofed in a couple of months. I need to go get an HD cable box with an HDMI output for the projector, I keep forgetting to go and get it. I will certainly watch more TV in the theater when I get it. Probably more sports than anything. I know one thing my theater chairs are dangerous, I am asleep in 10 minutes, to comfy. We watched Snowpiercer last night and I don't remember anything.

Same here man...

I thought my Lazy Boy seats were comfortable - and they are - but the new HT seats are dangerous. After the Royals went down by a few runs I was starting to nod off last night. You have the Lane 103's right? I have the Row One (used to be Barcalounger) Manhattan's. I think yours, like mine, recline pretty far back unlike a lot of the HT seats that don't recline very far.
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Same here man...

After the Royals went down by a few runs I was starting to nod off last night.
A few runs ... you did fall asleep early ...

Tonight might be a different story with Mad Bum on the bench.

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A few runs ... you did fall asleep early ...

Tonight might be a different story with Mad Bum on the bench.

Yep 5-0 and 5 beers I was done.

I hope Ventura has his usual 100-101 fastball tonight instead of 97-98 like last time. I think something is wrong with his shoulder. Must be nice to throw 98 mph and not be 100%.

I like JTR speakers.
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Yep 5-0 and 5 beers I was done.

I hope Ventura has his usual 100-101 fastball tonight instead of 97-98 like last time. I think something is wrong with his shoulder. Must be nice to throw 98 mph and not be 100%.

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Haven't heard them in a few weeks as I'm waiting on processors.

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Same here man...

I thought my Lazy Boy seats were comfortable - and they are - but the new HT seats are dangerous. After the Royals went down by a few runs I was starting to nod off last night. You have the Lane 103's right? I have the Row One (used to be Barcalounger) Manhattan's. I think yours, like mine, recline pretty far back unlike a lot of the HT seats that don't recline very far.
Yep, Lane 103's. They also don't get hot like you said even though they are shinny. I really love the chairs. I realized that I could fit a 4th seat and I have been trying to locate one, no dice so far.

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I need some help here. I share my Blu Ray player (oppo 103) for my music CD's and I am having a problem with my rear single 8's are active with 2 channel music. They are not showing on the AVR faceplate that they are even engaged. I really did have time to get in and dig around and try to find the problem yet as I have been hanging panels all day, but the few things I tried did not work? This is my first time actually running 7 speakers as I always had a 5.2 set up. But anyway, if anybody has an idea here, I could use the help. Thanks.
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I'm at a Straight No Chaser concert at the midland theater in Kansas City. I really enjoy the group but the speakers here are bad. After the first song my wife said you are disappointed with the sound aren't you. I said yes. I said you must be too or you wouldn't have said anything. She nodded. She said I can't understand a word they are saying. A big venue like this would do better with a single pair of 212HT and about four orbit shifters I'm quite sure. The bass was really muddy, the highs not clear at all from the line array speakers. Having great sound really spoils you for concert events. I keep finding my sound at home is better than the sound at live events.
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I need some help here. I share my Blu Ray player (oppo 103) for my music CD's and I am having a problem with my rear single 8's are active with 2 channel music. They are not showing on the AVR faceplate that they are even engaged. I really did have time to get in and dig around and try to find the problem yet as I have been hanging panels all day, but the few things I tried did not work? This is my first time actually running 7 speakers as I always had a 5.2 set up. But anyway, if anybody has an idea here, I could use the help. Thanks.
You have to engage a 7.1 dsp. PLX, NEO 6, all channel stereo etc. On my 80.3, if blu-rays are 5.1, I have to run plx over top of any 5.1 mode, they will only engage with 7.1 material on their own.

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I'm at a Straight No Chaser concert at the midland theater in Kansas City. I really enjoy the group but the speakers here are bad. After the first song my wife said you are disappointed with the sound aren't you. I said yes. I said you must be too or you wouldn't have said anything. She nodded. She said I can't understand a word they are saying. A big venue like this would do better with a single pair of 212HT and about four orbit shifters I'm quite sure. The bass was really muddy, the highs not clear at all from the line array speakers. Having great sound really spoils you for concert events. I keep finding my sound at home is better than the sound at live events.

What the hell are you doing man?!?!?! I know you aren't a sports guys but good lord almighty you were something like 6 years old the last time we made the post season. You just missed us have a 5 run inning!!




Just kidding man, I know you aren't into it. I just can't understand it though. Kirstin just said, "I like Straight No Chaser, but come on!"
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I bet tonight's game sounds better on the 215's than last night's game. To bad it is so late and I have to get up early....I hope they hold the lead.

Sucks to see a good band live only to hear them through a crap PA system.
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You have to engage a 7.1 dsp. PLX, NEO 6, all channel stereo etc. On my 80.3, if blu-rays are 5.1, I have to run plx over top of any 5.1 mode, they will only engage with 7.1 material on their own.
No, I want them off. I only want to run the fronts two 215's.
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Having great sound really spoils you for concert events. I keep finding my sound at home is better than the sound at live events.
So true -- not a JTR owner (sorry guys ), but I know exactly what you mean. However, I'm sure, unlike you, the one thing I do think venues can beat me on is the chest slam. Fortunately, that's probably more due to my (lack of) tune than the abilities of my speakers, but, none-the-less I could use some more. The clarity, however, is unquestionably in my favor.

That said, I can remember when I was in IASCA w/ a 150db+ capable SQ competition car. I loved it...then I went to the Dysfunctional Family Picnic concert in Jones Beach -- holy @#$% the bass there! System Of A Down came on near the very end, they were tuning the system, and the kick drum, holy S@#$!!! Seriously, I felt like my ribs were caving in, lol. It was NUTS! And an outdoor venue.... The only time I ever felt my car was lacking, lol. Unfortunately, my house setup still can't compete with the ridiculously insane bass I achieved in that car, but....I don't know that I could handle that any more, lol.
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What the hell are you doing man?!?!?! I know you aren't a sports guys but good lord almighty you were something like 6 years old the last time we made the post season. You just missed us have a 5 run inning!!

Just kidding man, I know you aren't into it. I just can't understand it though. Kirstin just said, "I like Straight No Chaser, but come on!"
My mom was a music teacher and both mom and dad sing and play multiple instruments each. I played trombone in high school and college, as well as sang in chamber choir and show choir in high school and college. I can't express how much I'd rather attend a Straight No Chasers concert than watch the world series game on tv. I just don't care much about professional sports, I like to play sports,but that's where it ends. The concert was a blast, I highly recommend them if you see them on tour again. Great singing, lots of talent!!! I bought the tickets a month back anyway for my wife's birthday, so the choice of nights is just happenstance.

Funny - they worked the Royals into several of their skits, songs, and content. They kept announcing the score and the audience would cheer, then they'd lament we were cheering louder for the sports team than for them. Several times the audience broke out in let's go Royals clapping chants. It was high energy fun. The concert was sold out, but only about 75% of the seats filled, assumably because of the game. They poked the audience on that too. They are a quite humorous group. Reminds me a bit of whose line is it anyway type antics between songs.

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My mom was a music teacher and both mom and dad sing and play multiple instruments each. I played trombone in high school and college, as well as sang in chamber choir and show choir in high school and college. I can't express how much I'd rather attend a Straight No Chasers concert than watch the world series game on tv. I just don't care much about professional sports, I like to play sports,but that's where it ends. The concert was a blast, I highly recommend them if you see them on tour again. Great singing, lots of talent!!! I bought the tickets a month back anyway for my wife's birthday, so the choice of nights is just happenstance.

Funny - they worked the Royals into several of their skits, songs, and content. They kept announcing the score and the audience would cheer, then they'd lament we were cheering louder for the sports team than for them. Several times the audience broke out in let's go Royals clapping chants. It was high energy fun. The concert was sold out, but only about 75% of the seats filled, assumably because of the game. They poked the audience on that too. They are a quite humorous group. Reminds me a bit of whose line is it anyway type antics between songs.

I hear ya buddy, just giving you a hard time. I can relate to the family musical gene a little bit, my sister is one of those people that can play anything - and I mean anything - by ear on the piano even if she just hears it one time - it's crazy. That gene skipped me unfortunately.
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No, I want them off. I only want to run the fronts two 215's.

Oh LOL. duh....well, you likely have a surround field active over your 2 channel stereo, thats the only way they can be on. Or run in direct mode. If all else fails, make sure you don't have A/B one and do a micro re-set, it's possible it's just a strange screw up internally.

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Oh LOL. duh....well, you likely have a surround field active over your 2 channel stereo, thats the only way they can be on. Or run in direct mode. If all else fails, make sure you don't have A/B one and do a micro re-set, it's possible it's just a strange screw up internally.
LOL, I am an idiot. I don't know how I did it but my surrounds were all screwed up. I know I set them up right, but something must have moved on me unknowingly. I had my rears set to fronts, I had thought that the rears were sounding a bit funny with movies. As I said I have always had a 5.2 set up, so I thought they just sounded different. Glad that is over. I also screwed it up again and set them to surrounds and that put the rears into pre out and the sides in preamp. took me a minute in amp assign to realize they have to be set to surround rear vs just surround. Talk about a duh? LOL

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I was going to assume you had the rears on zone 2 stereo or something...

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I was going to assume you had the rears on zone 2 stereo or something...
Yeah, something happened in amp assign. I know I set them all up right last week when I finished mounting them. This is not even a joke, but I sweat this unit sets things by itself. I don't know if it happens from power outages or what, but I cannot tell you how many times I have thought it sounded funny and sure enough all my settings were changed. Does anybody ever see this? Nobody in the house touches it other than me, so it is not my kids as they don't care about that stuff. My daughter will put in a movie sometimes, but she does not fiddle with it.


Anyway, I wanted to get an idea of what it sounds like outside of my room. So I just took a decibel meter outside a few minutes ago and walked to the fence line to take some db's around the property. I jacked my room up to -9 with music, fairly bass heavy music and took some readings. On an overcast windy day here and sitting at the fence approx 40+ feet, I am getting #'s like 45 to 55 db's. I cannot not even really hear the music at the room other than just a low beat. It is daytime and windy, but that is just the fence line? I walked over to my one neighbors yard and went into the property a bit and really could not hear a thing? I can imagine late night when everything is quiet, maybe, but I don't know what they are complaining about? So then I held the decibel meter close against the siding of the room and I was getting about 60 to 68 decibels, then I moved it to the window and it spiked to 78 to 80+ decibels, same with the exterior door. So that tells me the windows and door are probably most of my escaping sound problems.

What I think I am going to do is just take out the windows and then do something with the door or buy an acoustical door and add a storm door and that should knock a good deal of sound down there. I will just have to tone it down after 9 pm. As far as I am concerned somebody is just being a ****, because I cannot hear a damn thing 45' from my room?
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Try getting in your vehicle and taking a measurement with all the windows up with if turned off. They are hearing bass and you'll get a better idea of how it sticks out with quiet surroundings in your vehicle I would imagine. I know when I used to piss people off at stop lights or stores the bass was so much louder for both the people in buildings and vehicles around me than it was just standing outside. I would crank it up to 155-160dbs right in front of glass store front windows freaking customers out! Man it's crazy just thinking about how stupid 16-18 year old teenagers treat surrounding people. I still have a stereo in my truck and always turn it down well before pulling up to a light or into a parking lot now just out of habit.

But at night it will be different too. I remember one night me and a friend were doing the country road late night smoke out ride. That was rather regular lol. And we were kinda getting close to getting back into town when we passed a guy walking on the side of the road who was waving us down telling us to stop like he knew who we were. Sure enough it was one of our buddies that had gotten into a fight with his girlfriend and was walking home. He said he had been hearing us for over 30 minutes which would have meant he heard us when we got out of city limits and turned it on and did our lap around that side of the country roads. I'd guess the furthest away we ever were from him was about 7-10 miles but that's just a guess. It could have been 5-20 miles since he would have been hearing in a straight line. But it was funny because he said he knew it was us after 5 minutes went by with it both getting louder and softer and just kept hoping we would come back into town on that road. I grew up in a small town (30,000 pop) so literally everyone in all the highschools knew my Jimmy and heard us country cruising if they were parked in a field somewhere chilling.
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