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Sibuna's Avatar Sibuna 01:43 PM 11-05-2014
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I have said on here before, but my Imax is at the Trop in AC, but it is 70mm.. It is more of a money thing than a driving thing. My local theater just plain sux so I just wait for the blurays. Nothing with in a 100 miles of me beats my own little theater. I would love nothing more to get a 4DX, but that will never happen and if it did, it would be jam packed especially in the summer.
I think the closest 70mm IMAX to me is at least 300 miles away, well ones that show actual movies and not just the science stuff

there is a good Cinimark Digital IMAX within an hours drive, which is where im going

pennynike1's Avatar pennynike1 02:37 PM 11-05-2014
Just logged into the JTR site and I found it interesting that there are some new offerings:


Noesis 210RM;
Noesis 212TT;
Noesis 215RM.


Glad to see him expanding the line and I am really looking forward to reading and hearing more about the 3 speakers above!
jlpowell84's Avatar jlpowell84 02:39 PM 11-05-2014
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Does anyone have experience with the volt 10's compared to the s8's? I was going to purchase 4-6 s8's as my surrounds but they are quite expensive. The DIY volt 10's seem to be pretty reasonable if they sound decent. I was thinking I could use the money I was going to spend on the s8's to get 2 - orbit shifter LFU. Planning on 212's for the front three.
I don't have any S8 experience. But I am a believer based off of comments and perhaps future finances would allow. I particularly remember peoples comments about Dlbeck's Savoy theater and that they have never experienced surround sound like that with his multiple S8's. But for now I have Volt 10's I built several moths ago. Build thread in Sig...I have been very happy with them and have no complaints. I like many when we first got into this hobby bought Best buy type speakers and thought I was set with a 7 channel Definitive Technology system. Problem is they sound bad at any type of high volume and don't have dynamic capability a real speaker like JTR's have. The one thing I can say about Volts IMO is they seem to be able to hang with the REAL speakers in ability to handle SPL and the dynamic range. My surround experience went up a few notches making the switch. They are decently sensitive (They set about 6db lower than my Triple 8's on Audyssey Cal). If you don't want to spend lots for surrounds try the Volts first and have fun one Sat building them. I think anyone would agree they are a great cheaper option
jbrown15's Avatar jbrown15 02:58 PM 11-05-2014
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Originally Posted by pennynike1 View Post
Just logged into the JTR site and I found it interesting that there are some new offerings:


Noesis 210RM;
Noesis 212TT;
Noesis 215RM.




Glad to see him expanding the line and I am really looking forward to reading and hearing more about the 3 speakers above!

I saw that too, Jeff says that the compression driver in the 212TT's will play down to 600hz. Seems pretty low for a 2way design, but I'm sure he knows what he's doing....lol
jbrown15's Avatar jbrown15 03:00 PM 11-05-2014
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Originally Posted by Diesel 48 View Post
Does anyone have experience with the volt 10's compared to the s8's? I was going to purchase 4-6 s8's as my surrounds but they are quite expensive. The DIY volt 10's seem to be pretty reasonable if they sound decent. I was thinking I could use the money I was going to spend on the s8's to get 2 - orbit shifter LFU. Planning on 212's for the front three.

Take a look at the CX-8's from Reaction Audio, its a really nice wall mountable speaker with a radian 8" coax driver and they sell for $499ea which includes the shipping. I'm using some with my 228's and love them so far!
Gorilla83's Avatar Gorilla83 03:06 PM 11-05-2014
To me the ONLY way to develop an unbiased opinion is to do the testing blind. Maybe if someone has some extra AT screen material (or spandex, etc) we could rig something upstairs to do a blind surround shootout in the December GTG.
Reefdvr27's Avatar Reefdvr27 03:06 PM 11-05-2014
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Originally Posted by pennynike1 View Post
Just logged into the JTR site and I found it interesting that there are some new offerings:


Noesis 210RM;
Noesis 212TT;
Noesis 215RM.


Glad to see him expanding the line and I am really looking forward to reading and hearing more about the 3 speakers above!
I don't think we have heard of any 210RT owners around here. I seen a Facebook picture with Jeff setting up a pair of 210's along time ago, but don't think it was anybody on AVS. I would love to hear some feedback on them.
pennynike1's Avatar pennynike1 03:19 PM 11-05-2014
Jeff's warehouse is literally only about 1.25 to 1.5 hours away from me, so a demo of his recent offerings sound like it may be in-store. The 212TT's intro price-point seems interesting to me and I wouldn't mind hearing what a 210RT, 210RM or 215RM is capable of as well.


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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post
I don't think we have heard of any 210RT owners around here. I seen a Facebook picture with Jeff setting up a pair of 210's along time ago, but don't think it was anybody on AVS. I would love to hear some feedback on them.

pennynike1's Avatar pennynike1 03:24 PM 11-05-2014
Right now, Jeff's site is utilizing the 212HT's stats and info for the 212TT link. I am interested to know how it looks and how it will perform compared to his similar offerings.


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I saw that too, Jeff says that the compression driver in the 212TT's will play down to 600hz. Seems pretty low for a 2way design, but I'm sure he knows what he's doing....lol

jbrown15's Avatar jbrown15 03:36 PM 11-05-2014
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Right now, Jeff's site is utilizing the 212HT's stats and info for the 212TT link. I am interested to know how it looks and how it will perform compared to his similar offerings.
I thought that too, but if you look at the 212HT's is says crossed at 400hz and the 212TT's clearly state 600hz.
Reefdvr27's Avatar Reefdvr27 03:37 PM 11-05-2014
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Right now, Jeff's site is utilizing the 212HT's stats and info for the 212TT link. I am interested to know how it looks and how it will perform compared to his similar offerings.
I think it looks just like the 212HT and LP. I to am curious how it would sound, but I thought I read that the 212TT is a primarily an HT speaker vs a musical speaker?? I guess Jeff shed the Triple12 and Triple8 from the line up to make room for the new 212TT. Certainly will be a good in between speaker for someone crossed between the 212HT and 228HT
pennynike1's Avatar pennynike1 03:49 PM 11-05-2014
But if you click on the 212TT link it brings you to a page that says 212HT. I am sure it will be switched over soon.


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I thought that too, but if you look at the 212HT's is says crossed at 400hz and the 212TT's clearly state 600hz.

pennynike1's Avatar pennynike1 03:56 PM 11-05-2014
I have been on the look-out for a great surround speaker, as Home Theater is my emphasis. I like how the price point of the 212TT's splits the difference as you said.


I was under the impression that the Noesis 228HT and 212HT were the direct replacement to the Triple 8's/12's.


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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post
I think it looks just like the 212HT and LP. I to am curious how it would sound, but I thought I read that the 212TT is a primarily an HT speaker vs a musical speaker?? I guess Jeff shed the Triple12 and Triple8 from the line up to make room for the new 212TT. Certainly will be a good in between speaker for someone crossed between the 212HT and 228HT

audiovideoholic's Avatar audiovideoholic 04:12 PM 11-05-2014
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I think the direct sales is the best price for new, except large order discounts can be had by talking to Jeff.
Does he still give 10% discounts to buyers who have purchased more than 8 units from him kinda like M Seaton?
jbrown15's Avatar jbrown15 04:19 PM 11-05-2014
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But if you click on the 212TT link it brings you to a page that says 212HT. I am sure it will be switched over soon.
I see what you mean because it does mention the 212HT on some of the info in the 212TT page, but it clearly states horn loading down to 600hz on the 212TT and on the 212HT's page it also clearly states horn loading down to 400hz. Plus if you've read through this entire thread it's been talked about several times that the 212HT's are horn loaded well below 600hz.
jbrown15's Avatar jbrown15 04:20 PM 11-05-2014
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Does he still give 10% discounts to buyers who have purchased more than 8 units from him kinda like M Seaton?
Yes, he actually says that right on the JTR forums on his site.
audiovideoholic's Avatar audiovideoholic 04:40 PM 11-05-2014
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I see what you mean because it does mention the 212HT on some of the info in the 212TT page, but it clearly states horn loading down to 600hz on the 212TT and on the 212HT's page it also clearly states horn loading down to 400hz. Plus if you've read through this entire thread it's been talked about several times that the 212HT's are horn loaded well below 600hz.
Doesn't it also mention a specific CD on the TT? So not a neo CD like the HT, correct?
RMK!'s Avatar RMK! 04:44 PM 11-05-2014
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I have been on the look-out for a great surround speaker, as Home Theater is my emphasis. I like how the price point of the 212TT's splits the difference as you said.

I was under the impression that the Noesis 228HT and 212HT were the direct replacement to the Triple 8's/12's.
Jeff mentioned this speaker to me and he said it was to "fill the price gap between the 228 and 212HT" that was previously occupied by the T12's. The CD is a new one and a bit more affordable than the 212's CD hence the lower price point of the speaker. Seems like a really good choice for HT LCR's or maybe even surrounds in a large room.
audiovideoholic's Avatar audiovideoholic 04:55 PM 11-05-2014
What gets me is the price on the 210RM and how it's the same as 212HT. Any thoughts on this? They both use the neo CD but wood/speaker cost seem similar unless the 10" drivers are that much more expensive.
Reefdvr27's Avatar Reefdvr27 05:27 PM 11-05-2014
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I have been on the look-out for a great surround speaker, as Home Theater is my emphasis. I like how the price point of the 212TT's splits the difference as you said.


I was under the impression that the Noesis 228HT and 212HT were the direct replacement to the Triple 8's/12's.
I don't think I would call the Noesis a replacement, but an upgrade. I really cannot speak for JTR, but I just assumed Jeff discontinued the Triple 12 due to lacking sales and to make room for the new line of speakers he has introduced over the last year.
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What gets me is the price on the 210RM and how it's the same as 212HT. Any thoughts on this? They both use the neo CD but wood/speaker cost seem similar unless the 10" drivers are that much more expensive.
I believe the 210RT is a full range speaker, but still needs subs. I talked with Jeff about it when I ordered my 215RT's. Anybody that is going to use the speakers for primarily for HT would rather look to the 212HT.
N8DOGG's Avatar N8DOGG 05:28 PM 11-05-2014
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What gets me is the price on the 210RM and how it's the same as 212HT. Any thoughts on this? They both use the neo CD but wood/speaker cost seem similar unless the 10" drivers are that much more expensive.
Yes the 10's would be much more expensive.
vince32837's Avatar vince32837 05:38 PM 11-05-2014
Count me in as another Marantz believer. I have a Marantz SR7008 receiver, we replayed the same scene in dark knight, where Batman is fighting Bahne on the metal grate. There was detail revealed that the outlaw 990 and anthem AVM 30 pre-pro missed... I'm moving the receiver to the family room, and going with AV8801 for the theater.

Vince
audiovideoholic's Avatar audiovideoholic 06:23 PM 11-05-2014
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Yes the 10's would be much more expensive.
Oh so the 10's are neo too? Or just a better driver than the 12s?
audiovideoholic's Avatar audiovideoholic 06:25 PM 11-05-2014
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Count me in as another Marantz believer. I have a Marantz SR7008 receiver, we replayed the same scene in dark knight, where Batman is fighting Bahne on the metal grate. There was detail revealed that the outlaw 990 and anthem AVM 30 pre-pro missed... I'm moving the receiver to the family room, and going with AV8801 for the theater.

Vince
Wow! I'm def going with a pre pro for first time when get HT put back together so glad to read this.
audiovideoholic's Avatar audiovideoholic 06:29 PM 11-05-2014
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I don't think I would call the Noesis a replacement, but an upgrade. I really cannot speak for JTR, but I just assumed Jeff discontinued the Triple 12 due to lacking sales and to make room for the new line of speakers he has introduced over the last year.
I believe the 210RT is a full range speaker, but still needs subs. I talked with Jeff about it when I ordered my 215RT's. Anybody that is going to use the speakers for primarily for HT would rather look to the 212HT.
Yea. But I'm talking about the 210RMprice vs the 212HT. They are very similar in FR range to one another unlike the 210RT. Not the RT which is def a ref tower by looking at pics and sub 40hz specs.
audiovideoholic's Avatar audiovideoholic 06:33 PM 11-05-2014
Jeff half way updating his site (some specs look like need correcting as were copy pasted just to get started with site update I would guess) has made a lot of this a little confusion but that can be swept under the rug as it's exciting.
coolgeek's Avatar coolgeek 07:21 PM 11-05-2014
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Jeff half way updating his site (some specs look like need correcting as were copy pasted just to get started with site update I would guess) has made a lot of this a little confusion but that can be swept under the rug as it's exciting.
The 215 RMs are only $700 more than the 212s. Sounds like a very reasonable price. If I hadn't bought the 212s, this might have been my choice. (perhaps future upgrade as finances permit).
AVSF458 08:32 PM 11-05-2014
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They are internet direct, so no. But they are actually a bargain for what you get. I would imagine that there are only about 15 pairs out there so finding a used set might be rough right now. But after the GTG in Decmember there might be a pair for sale
Good to hear that. Wow did not know there were so few sold of the 215s. They have out of this worls specs. I imagine you need dedicated Mono blocks to run them as well??

also in no rush to spend 7k. Still recovering from my last 6K spent.
N8DOGG's Avatar N8DOGG 08:46 PM 11-05-2014
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Oh so the 10's are neo too? Or just a better driver than the 12s?
The 10's in the RT''s are for sure not Neo. High throw Neo's are pretty expensive. Pro style neo's are not that expensive that would be used in these applications. Not like the LMS 18 Neo that was insanely expensive.
rhed's Avatar rhed 01:50 AM 11-06-2014
These S8's seriously took my surround experience to a different level. I'm doing some respin on some of my collections. You can hear things in the surround mix much more clear. Matter of fact, there's even effects in the surrounds that I couldn't hear before while playing movies. I recently revisited WOTW. First time watching this movie with the whole JTR speaker setup. All I wanna say is WOW!
Chapter 14 @ 1:07:05.. While I was watching this movie around -8.5. I forgot about that scene when the jets flew over. Holy crap! That scene was so friggin loud and realistic. I got startled..lol! One of my new demo scene now to show off the speakers capabilities from the mains to the surrounds. Anyone should try this scene at a high volume. With the bass hot. And you'll know what I'm talking about.
When listen to multi channel music (SACD). With the 215's up front combo with the S8's. You just get enveloped in the music. Then get lost, thinking Dianna Krall is in your HT room live..
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