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Does anyone have experience with the volt 10's compared to the s8's? I was going to purchase 4-6 s8's as my surrounds but they are quite expensive. The DIY volt 10's seem to be pretty reasonable if they sound decent. I was thinking I could use the money I was going to spend on the s8's to get 2 - orbit shifter LFU. Planning on 212's for the front three.

Take a look at the CX-8's from Reaction Audio, its a really nice wall mountable speaker with a radian 8" coax driver and they sell for $499ea which includes the shipping. I'm using some with my 228's and love them so far!
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To me the ONLY way to develop an unbiased opinion is to do the testing blind. Maybe if someone has some extra AT screen material (or spandex, etc) we could rig something upstairs to do a blind surround shootout in the December GTG.
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Just logged into the JTR site and I found it interesting that there are some new offerings:


Noesis 210RM;
Noesis 212TT;
Noesis 215RM.


Glad to see him expanding the line and I am really looking forward to reading and hearing more about the 3 speakers above!
I don't think we have heard of any 210RT owners around here. I seen a Facebook picture with Jeff setting up a pair of 210's along time ago, but don't think it was anybody on AVS. I would love to hear some feedback on them.
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Proximity

Jeff's warehouse is literally only about 1.25 to 1.5 hours away from me, so a demo of his recent offerings sound like it may be in-store. The 212TT's intro price-point seems interesting to me and I wouldn't mind hearing what a 210RT, 210RM or 215RM is capable of as well.


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I don't think we have heard of any 210RT owners around here. I seen a Facebook picture with Jeff setting up a pair of 210's along time ago, but don't think it was anybody on AVS. I would love to hear some feedback on them.
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Picture and info needed on the 212HT

Right now, Jeff's site is utilizing the 212HT's stats and info for the 212TT link. I am interested to know how it looks and how it will perform compared to his similar offerings.


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I saw that too, Jeff says that the compression driver in the 212TT's will play down to 600hz. Seems pretty low for a 2way design, but I'm sure he knows what he's doing....lol
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Right now, Jeff's site is utilizing the 212HT's stats and info for the 212TT link. I am interested to know how it looks and how it will perform compared to his similar offerings.
I thought that too, but if you look at the 212HT's is says crossed at 400hz and the 212TT's clearly state 600hz.
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Right now, Jeff's site is utilizing the 212HT's stats and info for the 212TT link. I am interested to know how it looks and how it will perform compared to his similar offerings.
I think it looks just like the 212HT and LP. I to am curious how it would sound, but I thought I read that the 212TT is a primarily an HT speaker vs a musical speaker?? I guess Jeff shed the Triple12 and Triple8 from the line up to make room for the new 212TT. Certainly will be a good in between speaker for someone crossed between the 212HT and 228HT
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212HT vs. 212TT

But if you click on the 212TT link it brings you to a page that says 212HT. I am sure it will be switched over soon.


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I thought that too, but if you look at the 212HT's is says crossed at 400hz and the 212TT's clearly state 600hz.
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Looking for a good surround speaker

I have been on the look-out for a great surround speaker, as Home Theater is my emphasis. I like how the price point of the 212TT's splits the difference as you said.


I was under the impression that the Noesis 228HT and 212HT were the direct replacement to the Triple 8's/12's.


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I think it looks just like the 212HT and LP. I to am curious how it would sound, but I thought I read that the 212TT is a primarily an HT speaker vs a musical speaker?? I guess Jeff shed the Triple12 and Triple8 from the line up to make room for the new 212TT. Certainly will be a good in between speaker for someone crossed between the 212HT and 228HT
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I think the direct sales is the best price for new, except large order discounts can be had by talking to Jeff.
Does he still give 10% discounts to buyers who have purchased more than 8 units from him kinda like M Seaton?
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But if you click on the 212TT link it brings you to a page that says 212HT. I am sure it will be switched over soon.
I see what you mean because it does mention the 212HT on some of the info in the 212TT page, but it clearly states horn loading down to 600hz on the 212TT and on the 212HT's page it also clearly states horn loading down to 400hz. Plus if you've read through this entire thread it's been talked about several times that the 212HT's are horn loaded well below 600hz.
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Does he still give 10% discounts to buyers who have purchased more than 8 units from him kinda like M Seaton?
Yes, he actually says that right on the JTR forums on his site.
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I see what you mean because it does mention the 212HT on some of the info in the 212TT page, but it clearly states horn loading down to 600hz on the 212TT and on the 212HT's page it also clearly states horn loading down to 400hz. Plus if you've read through this entire thread it's been talked about several times that the 212HT's are horn loaded well below 600hz.
Doesn't it also mention a specific CD on the TT? So not a neo CD like the HT, correct?

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I have been on the look-out for a great surround speaker, as Home Theater is my emphasis. I like how the price point of the 212TT's splits the difference as you said.

I was under the impression that the Noesis 228HT and 212HT were the direct replacement to the Triple 8's/12's.
Jeff mentioned this speaker to me and he said it was to "fill the price gap between the 228 and 212HT" that was previously occupied by the T12's. The CD is a new one and a bit more affordable than the 212's CD hence the lower price point of the speaker. Seems like a really good choice for HT LCR's or maybe even surrounds in a large room.

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What gets me is the price on the 210RM and how it's the same as 212HT. Any thoughts on this? They both use the neo CD but wood/speaker cost seem similar unless the 10" drivers are that much more expensive.
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I have been on the look-out for a great surround speaker, as Home Theater is my emphasis. I like how the price point of the 212TT's splits the difference as you said.


I was under the impression that the Noesis 228HT and 212HT were the direct replacement to the Triple 8's/12's.
I don't think I would call the Noesis a replacement, but an upgrade. I really cannot speak for JTR, but I just assumed Jeff discontinued the Triple 12 due to lacking sales and to make room for the new line of speakers he has introduced over the last year.
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What gets me is the price on the 210RM and how it's the same as 212HT. Any thoughts on this? They both use the neo CD but wood/speaker cost seem similar unless the 10" drivers are that much more expensive.
I believe the 210RT is a full range speaker, but still needs subs. I talked with Jeff about it when I ordered my 215RT's. Anybody that is going to use the speakers for primarily for HT would rather look to the 212HT.

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What gets me is the price on the 210RM and how it's the same as 212HT. Any thoughts on this? They both use the neo CD but wood/speaker cost seem similar unless the 10" drivers are that much more expensive.
Yes the 10's would be much more expensive.

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Count me in as another Marantz believer. I have a Marantz SR7008 receiver, we replayed the same scene in dark knight, where Batman is fighting Bahne on the metal grate. There was detail revealed that the outlaw 990 and anthem AVM 30 pre-pro missed... I'm moving the receiver to the family room, and going with AV8801 for the theater.

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Oh so the 10's are neo too? Or just a better driver than the 12s?
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Count me in as another Marantz believer. I have a Marantz SR7008 receiver, we replayed the same scene in dark knight, where Batman is fighting Bahne on the metal grate. There was detail revealed that the outlaw 990 and anthem AVM 30 pre-pro missed... I'm moving the receiver to the family room, and going with AV8801 for the theater.

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Wow! I'm def going with a pre pro for first time when get HT put back together so glad to read this.
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I don't think I would call the Noesis a replacement, but an upgrade. I really cannot speak for JTR, but I just assumed Jeff discontinued the Triple 12 due to lacking sales and to make room for the new line of speakers he has introduced over the last year.
I believe the 210RT is a full range speaker, but still needs subs. I talked with Jeff about it when I ordered my 215RT's. Anybody that is going to use the speakers for primarily for HT would rather look to the 212HT.
Yea. But I'm talking about the 210RMprice vs the 212HT. They are very similar in FR range to one another unlike the 210RT. Not the RT which is def a ref tower by looking at pics and sub 40hz specs.
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Jeff half way updating his site (some specs look like need correcting as were copy pasted just to get started with site update I would guess) has made a lot of this a little confusion but that can be swept under the rug as it's exciting.
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Jeff half way updating his site (some specs look like need correcting as were copy pasted just to get started with site update I would guess) has made a lot of this a little confusion but that can be swept under the rug as it's exciting.
The 215 RMs are only $700 more than the 212s. Sounds like a very reasonable price. If I hadn't bought the 212s, this might have been my choice. (perhaps future upgrade as finances permit).
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They are internet direct, so no. But they are actually a bargain for what you get. I would imagine that there are only about 15 pairs out there so finding a used set might be rough right now. But after the GTG in Decmember there might be a pair for sale
Good to hear that. Wow did not know there were so few sold of the 215s. They have out of this worls specs. I imagine you need dedicated Mono blocks to run them as well??

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Oh so the 10's are neo too? Or just a better driver than the 12s?
The 10's in the RT''s are for sure not Neo. High throw Neo's are pretty expensive. Pro style neo's are not that expensive that would be used in these applications. Not like the LMS 18 Neo that was insanely expensive.

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These S8's seriously took my surround experience to a different level. I'm doing some respin on some of my collections. You can hear things in the surround mix much more clear. Matter of fact, there's even effects in the surrounds that I couldn't hear before while playing movies. I recently revisited WOTW. First time watching this movie with the whole JTR speaker setup. All I wanna say is WOW!
Chapter 14 @ 1:07:05.. While I was watching this movie around -8.5. I forgot about that scene when the jets flew over. Holy crap! That scene was so friggin loud and realistic. I got startled..lol! One of my new demo scene now to show off the speakers capabilities from the mains to the surrounds. Anyone should try this scene at a high volume. With the bass hot. And you'll know what I'm talking about.
When listen to multi channel music (SACD). With the 215's up front combo with the S8's. You just get enveloped in the music. Then get lost, thinking Dianna Krall is in your HT room live..
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Yea. But I'm talking about the 210RMprice vs the 212HT. They are very similar in FR range to one another unlike the 210RT. Not the RT which is def a ref tower by looking at pics and sub 40hz specs.
The 10" driver being used has 12mm Xmax and is comparable with the 15" used in the 215 from a quality standpoint. I think Nate has these drivers in his custom Noesis center channel. (maybe not)

I assume the 210RM is meant to be used as a center channel for the 210RT. Since it is a sealed speaker in a smaller cabinet it would be more comparable to the 212ht-lp.

210rm = 80hz-24khz
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Yea. But I'm talking about the 210RMprice vs the 212HT. They are very similar in FR range to one another unlike the 210RT. Not the RT which is def a ref tower by looking at pics and sub 40hz specs.
Sorry, I did not know there was a 210RM. I have only seen the RT.
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The 212lp was listed at 70hz but has been changed to 80hz.
Was this your doing?
I didn't directly mention the disparity in specs to Jeff but I'm pretty sure I know who did...so indirectly it may have been my doing. And my 212HT-LPs are at least 3db down at 80Hz so I'd be cautious about any of the "down to 80Hz products" for home theater use unless you plan to play your subs up to 90 or 100 Hz. I'd recommend getting a chance to hear them before buying them blind.
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General question for the knowledgeable members of the JTR community. Compared to you guys I'm a rookie to be sure. At some point in the future my theater will receive an upgrade across the board, and I could use guidance regarding the speakers. Right now I have a traditional 7-speaker setup with Triple-8's for the front three and Single-8 HT-LP's for side and rear surrounds. I use 2 Submersives as well. Once the object-based formats mature a bit I'll be adding more Single-8's up high, and may just repurpose the Triple-8's to surround duty. This is a dedicated soundproofed and well-sealed room and is used essentially only for movies, I rarely listen to music there.

Not really interested in any of the towers. Out of the following options, which do you all think would be the best upgrade for the front 3?
228HT $1300
212TT $1600
210RM $2000
212HT $2300

I run everything off an Anthem AVR for now and am pretty happy with the overall sound. Plenty of SPL for my needs as it stands. If I had one complaint, it would be that even though my room is reasonably well-treated acoustically with absorption, I find the treble a bit shrill at times. I guess I'm looking for a bit more refined treble experience, and more mid-bass oomph can't hurt either. I'd appreciate your opinions!
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