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post #25291 of 31063 Old 11-06-2014, 05:42 PM
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Now, if only someone with the 215rms also still owns a receiver, it'll be nice to hear their opinion on this matter.
Coolgeek - What's this receiver thing you keep mentioning?
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Dgage, this is such a nice succinct summary of the different speakers.

It's looking like the 215RM is THE speaker for my next upgrade.

You had the 215s before. I was thinking that at 95dB sensitivity (although it's a lot less than the 212s), they should be able to be played with just a receiver. If you don't mind me asking, have you tried to do it with just a receiver and if so, can it hit reference?

I am thinking at 135 watts per channel the Onkyo puts out, that could get it to 116 dB (plus might be a couple dB more since it's a 4 Ohm speaker).
Yea but you quoted the 116db MAX output of your avr if it truly can do that into all the 215s at once is why I said use a pro amp. That 116db will be what at your seats? What just over 105db or so with no room for peaks so will only be asking for the avr to clip trying to get this output out of it, no?

Yea I know how loud the 10Q is but no need in using it as any amp that is capable of 200-500 watts would allow "most" people clean power with the 215s. So no need in buying a loud amp with 10,000 watts ;-) but at least give them enough clean power that you won't have to worry about anything. I'm a tad crazy with powering my speakers and use qsc3602s for my tiny T8s but the fans never get loud lol.

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Yea but you quoted the 116db MAX output of your avr if it truly can do that into all the 215s at once is why I said use a pro amp. That 116db will be what at your seats? What just over 105db or so with no room for peaks so will only be asking for the avr to clip trying to get this output out of it, no?

Yea I know how loud the 10Q is but no need in using it as any amp that is capable of 200-500 watts would allow "most" people clean power with the 215s. So no need in buying a loud amp with 10,000 watts ;-) but at least give them enough clean power that you won't have to worry about anything. I'm a tad crazy with powering my speakers and use qsc3602s for my tiny T8s but the fans never get loud lol.
Therein lies the problem. If 135 watts isn't enough, then 200 watts likely won't be as well because that only gives it an extra 2 dB headroom, and 400 watts with an extra 5 dB headroom is probably not enough either.

In any case, you are most likely right. I just wanted to hear from someone who has powered the 215s RM with a receiver coupled with subs (not the RTs which would need a lot more power to get down to 20hz) and get their review on it.
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Looks like a SVS PB12/Plus2??
Correct....that's exactly what they are. They will stay for now but chances are I'll move them to my bedroom system. If I do decide I want subs with the 215's...it'll be between 3 choices:


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More speaker porn for you guys, with emphasis on the scale of the 215RM. I took a few shots with a NFL football, a laptop and my old center channel speaker which wasn't a slender box.


Enjoy.....
Beautiful sight. I really like how your gray treatments look...diy or buy them?

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Correct....that's exactly what they are. They will stay for now but chances are I'll move them to my bedroom system. If I do decide I want subs with the 215's...it'll be between 3 choice:


1) S2
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O, that's an easy choice! [emoji41]

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Beautiful sight. I really like how your gray treatments look...diy or buy them?
Thanks man...the gray treatments are Auralex DST-R's painted the same color as the wall. The panels are GIK 244's.
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O, that's an easy choice! [emoji41]
Can I assume the Orbit Shifter?????

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Can I assume the Orbit Shifter?????
Really though.. I also have the RT and RM. Which pretty damn does well taking care 20 and up spectrum.. DO NOT for one second think these speakers are incapable. Especially when you start to talor them via EQ. So really think about the sub decision very carefully..
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Therein lies the problem. If 135 watts isn't enough, then 200 watts likely won't be as well because that only gives it an extra 2 dB headroom, and 400 watts with an extra 5 dB headroom is probably not enough either.

In any case, you are most likely right. I just wanted to hear from someone who has powered the 215s RM with a receiver coupled with subs (not the RTs which would need a lot more power to get down to 20hz) and get their review on it.
Oh yea. The 200-500 were just thrown out of the air as they are close to 8ohm 4ohm matching numbers and a ton of amps in that range that will run quiet. But yea Id imagine an amp around 750-1000 watts would be close to perfect if don't ever blast them. That way there would be ample headroom which we all like around these parts even if it turns out not to be headroom once a few beverages take control of the remote. I have all my equipment outside of my room so fan noise is irrelevant to me and would never go back to having any in the room if it raised the noise floor louder than my already quiet pj not in a hush box.
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Really though.. I also have the RT and RM. Which pretty damn does well taking care 20 and up spectrum.. DO NOT for one second think these speakers are incapable. Especially when you start to talor them via EQ. So really think about the sub decision very carefully..
Don't believe anything this guy rhed says...he's nuts...he's used to volcanic eruptions and desensitized now...so four S2 and a couple of 215RT are the only way to help him [emoji12]

All kidding aside, he's right though...you likely wont need subs if you setup those 215RT properly.. @RMK! doesn't miss subs and can chime in...but it is subjective...so play them and see if it's enough for you.

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O, I dunno

Don't believe anything this guy rhed says...he's nuts...he's used to volcanic eruptions and desensitized now...so four S2 and a couple of 215RT are the only way to help him [emoji12]

All kidding aside, he's right though...you likely wont need subs if you setup those 215RT properly.. @RMK! doesn't miss subs and can chime in...but it is subjective...so play them and see if it's enough for you.
Yeah, I know what rhed is running over there and I can only imagine what that feels like....I don't think I'll ever need 4 S2's but (you're both right) I plan on just playing with these and experimenting to see what sound I like and make a decision on subs somewhere down the road. What I want to do more immediately is get 4 slanted 8's....now I think that would be an incredible upgrade to my system as rhed mentioned earlier. In addition to that I want to move away from my Parasound amp to the Crowns to power the 3 215's....I also think that would give me a significant upgrade as well. That's my story and I'm stickin to it.

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I will check it out over the weekend. I am waiting for my wife to get home and we are watching A Most Wanted Man tonight. Not sure it is going to be a real audio winner, but I heard it was really good.

I have read that the CX-A5000 is a really good Preamp. I think Archaea had that unit or somebody around here did.
It received really good reviews from every one that I read...so I decided to purchase it and I just picked that up in March of this year....had I known about Atmos then I may have waited but I will say I can't believe that Atmos would sound significantly better than the 4 height channels I get with the Yamaha. Now, I've never heard Atmos but my height channels give me a good sense of overhead sound and I think I'll live with that for the foreseeable future as Atmos matures and more SW is available.


I also purchased the Yamaha because I made a decision that I was not going to buy anymore multi....multi thousand dollar processor's because they inevitably will need to be replaced and you're left with a processor that you can do nothing with and it's just money out of your pocket. My last 2 processors were Lexicon's and I have them both just sitting in my closet collecting dust.


I figure you'll upgrade your processor every few years as enhancements come along so I'd rather only spend 2.5k (what my Yamaha cost) vs the 10+k of the last 2 Lexicon's.

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Congrats Nabs... you're one of the few with the biggest baddest speakers around!

Those RMs are looking real nice... going to be saving up money...
Thanks coolgeek...not sure if I have the baddest but I do know I have some of the biggest and heaviest speakers around and I've got 2 missing testicles to prove it.

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O, I dunno

Don't believe anything this guy rhed says...he's nuts...he's used to volcanic eruptions and desensitized now...so four S2 and a couple of 215RT are the only way to help him [emoji12]

All kidding aside, he's right though...you likely wont need subs if you setup those 215RT...but it is subjective...so play them and see if it's enough for you.
Ok.. So we either have him get some dual S2's to crack his foundation. Or like you, have him grab dual OS for his house to fall on him.. Pick a poison.. And don't even suggest 3 OS like Ibrown105. That's completely absurd!
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^Rhed you have four S2, so you are certifiable. With only 3 OS I am still considered sane, now if I went to quad OS that would be silly


I am finding that the 212HT's with 80xo running on the LG can keep up with the 3OS no problem. The house not so much. Blew a sconce that was right in front of two of the OS's right off the wall. $100 unit Good news is the drywall is still in tact, but for a few minutes I was worried.

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wow what great setups looks like 5 of you are single handedly keeping JTR in business LOL. (or should it be 10 handedly).

Definitely Envious.

Anyone have them in the Dallas area?? Would love an audition please!!

I do like those 215RTs, definitely Bad A$$.

Need that one Day same as cash deal.... ;-) ;-).
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^Rhed you have four S2, so you are certifiable. With only 3 OS I am still considered sane, now if I went to quad OS that would be silly


I am finding that the 212HT's with 80xo running on the LG can keep up with the 3OS no problem. The house not so much. Blew a sconce that was right in front of two of the OS's right off the wall. $100 unit Good news is the drywall is still in tact, but for a few minutes I was worried.
Drywall still in tact.. FOR NOW!! Lol.. Becareful with that system you have brotha. With all that clean, SPL power on tap. It must so tempting to go higher with the volume. I can see it now.. " oh yea baby, keep goin!" Dang, hear how clean it is.. And the bass!! My gawd!" Next morning " wait, is that? Oh no! My dry walls cracked!! Post on AVS: help guys! My drywall is cracked!! Haha!
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RMK admittedly wasn't playing his Orbit Shifters to their full potential, so I am not sure he would be considered an authority on whether a speaker supplies enough bass


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O, I dunno

Don't believe anything this guy rhed says...he's nuts...he's used to volcanic eruptions and desensitized now...so four S2 and a couple of 215RT are the only way to help him [emoji12]

All kidding aside, he's right though...you likely wont need subs if you setup those 215RT properly.. @RMK! doesn't miss subs and can chime in...but it is subjective...so play them and see if it's enough for you.
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Guys thanks again for all of your input on my question regarding upgrading the front three yesterday. Sounds like moving from Triple8's to 215RM's would be a very noticeable upgrade on all fronts, and I could go with the 210RM's to save some cash at the expense of some mid-bass performance. I assume the 210RM's are still a considerable upgrade over the Triple8's for midbass.

The pics of the 215RM with a football and laptop for scale... Ridiculous!! Mine would remain hidden behind the AT screen, but damn that would be a fun reveal with some backlighting when guests come over.
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All kidding aside, he's right though...you likely wont need subs if you setup those 215RT properly.. @RMK! doesn't miss subs and can chime in...but it is subjective...so play them and see if it's enough for you.

You really have to take any of the opinions of the bass with the 215RT's with a grain of salt. I mean everybody has different needs or wants for bass. Anybody that has 4-8 or 10 18" sub builds will not find the 215's nearly enough bass, but for average guys that have a couple a couple of subs like the SubM or S2's and find that adequate will certainly find the 215RT's to be enough bass to run with no subs. It just so happens that in my small room that the 215's really put out some major bass and it feels like I have 4 18's going. I don't think they would be nearly enough bass for me if my theater was double the size. I also find that some content needs more bass and other content that I am just fine with no subs. I will experiment as time goes on. I have been sticking with just the 215's and eventually I am going to pull them out and put the 212's in with my Triax's and go with that set up for awhile, then switch to the Ported HST's and so on and make a decision on what I am going to roll with or just rotate from time to time and mix it up.
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Thanks frohlich,I was thinking of asking 2000.00 for them if I decide to do it.I don't have the boxes for them ,they got wet in my storeage building so shipping would be a problem, so the smart thing would be not to do it!
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Let me ask you guys this.....


How are you connecting your speaker wire to your JTR's? I assume they all have those massive binding posts like the 215's.


I originally had some spade plugs (on my old speakers) but they are too small to fit the 215's....so I removed them and am running bare wire to the posts now. My wire is 12ga.


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RMK admittedly wasn't playing his Orbit Shifters to their full potential, so I am not sure he would be considered an authority on whether a speaker supplies enough bass
Well I'm happy to admit I'm no "authority" on anything audio. But not playing them to their full potential is incorrect. I let them have their way more than enough times. It's just that they could easily overload the room and other speakers in my 3600cf sealed space.

I think that is different than not playing them to their potential , and yes, the 215's are a perfect fit for my room and tastes.
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RMK admittedly wasn't playing his Orbit Shifters to their full potential, so I am not sure he would be considered an authority on whether a speaker supplies enough bass
I meant that with his 215rt he doesn't want subs. But true, he said he wasn't all the time and I haven't...yet...my reason is because I haven't got 20a outlets yet...only thing holding me back now [emoji6]. It's when pushing towards 10hz domain that breakers trip and I have to back off...it's my fault I don't feed then enough.

Hmmm...that should be a plaque in my HT: "WARNING: Do Not Feed The Orbit Shifters" [emoji16]

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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post
You really have to take any of the opinions of the bass with the 215RT's with a grain of salt. I mean everybody has different needs or wants for bass. Anybody that has 4-8 or 10 18" sub builds will not find the 215's nearly enough bass, but for average guys that have a couple a couple of subs like the SubM or S2's and find that adequate will certainly find the 215RT's to be enough bass to run with no subs. It just so happens that in my small room that the 215's really put out some major bass and it feels like I have 4 18's going. I don't think they would be nearly enough bass for me if my theater was double the size. I also find that some content needs more bass and other content that I am just fine with no subs. I will experiment as time goes on. I have been sticking with just the 215's and eventually I am going to pull them out and put the 212's in with my Triax's and go with that set up for awhile, then switch to the Ported HST's and so on and make a decision on what I am going to roll with or just rotate from time to time and mix it up.
You're absolutely right. Each person will have different levels of 'bass-head-iness' and every room will play different.

One thing that does happen in my experience...curiosity. The what if thoughts. I got this when i was just going to get one but then got curious...an now extremely happy with duals...but I'll admit, I've thought about adding two more to see what happens. The more you play and tinker, the more your curiosity piques...And of course, the more you visit this thread...bad for the kid's college fund [emoji16]

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