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OK...little update.....


I have 2 speaker profiles saved in my processor....1 with subs...1 without. In both profiles the RT's are set to large and the RM is set to small crossed at 60hz. So I can flip mid clip between the two.


Watched gatlin gun scene in Book of Eli....and it actually sounds fuller with the subs included. In this profile the sub and RT's share LFE and crossed over bass....but I did prefer with the subs.


Next I watched the opening of T4 both ways and OMG...the RT's alone kicked a$$ and I think I scared myself....I could feel bass in my body with just the RT's. I preferred just the RT's here.


Still have lots more playing/tweaking to do...will also take some Omnimic measurements with the 215's. I also plan on listening to some music as well and.......Call of Duty.


I'm only just scratching the surface so far.....back to playing....umm I mean work.
What is your processor?

How about that bass?? It really blew my mind the first time I hit some real LFE content. Just running the 215's in my room, with the right content, my chairs shake, It feels like I have near field subs and that is on concrete! Start Trek into Darkness has been allot of fun with the 215's. When the Enterprise goes into light speed and they hit the thrusters, it just punches you in the face. The 215's actually feel and sound like I have 4 or 5 separate subs in my room.
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N8 you're confusing me. Above you said yes 10s would be much more expensive in the RT compare to 212ht responding to my question. Maybe you misread it cause now your saying they aren't neo and even if they were they wouldn't be that expensive as a pro driver. You're over my head lol.

Both are "high throw" (according to Jeff) but neither are high throw to me. So maybe that's where I'm missing your point.

210-12mm
212-8mm

But maybe it was answered above were someone said maybe you had a center or experience with them.
Ya I think I must have erased some of my reply lol...

Jeff had told me the 10's were more expensive than the 12's in the HT when I was building my custom center ( said the 10's were very good). So, I'd imagine the 10's in the RT are even more expensive than that, since they are long throw vs the 10's in the noesis 210 that I have. Neo or not, the longer throw will add cost for sure..... The 12's in the Noesis are nothing special, 100$ driver if that.

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What is your processor?

How about that bass?? It really blew my mind the first time I hit some real LFE content. Just running the 215's in my room, with the right content, my chairs shake, It feels like I have near field subs and that is on concrete! Start Trek into Darkness has been allot of fun with the 215's. When the Enterprise goes into light speed and they hit the thrusters, it just punches you in the face. The 215's actually feel and sound like I have 4 or 5 separate subs in my room.
I'm running a Yamaha CX-A5000 which uses YPAO for room correction. You should try the opening of T4 and tell me what you think about that....that was pretty serious. I'm also going to try the opening of EOT and the Star Trek scene you reference. Tonight I'm going to watch Hercules with the 215's full range without subs and see what I think.

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More speaker porn for you guys, with emphasis on the scale of the 215RM. I took a few shots with a NFL football, a laptop and my old center channel speaker which wasn't a slender box.


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More speaker porn for you guys, with emphasis on the scale of the 215RM. I took a few shots with a NFL football, a laptop and my old center channel speaker which wasn't a slender box.


Enjoy.....
Looks good!! I almost got that same carpet. Nice room!
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What are those "little" subs I see?

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Ya I think I must have erased some of my reply lol...

Jeff had told me the 10's were more expensive than the 12's in the HT when I was building my custom center ( said the 10's were very good). So, I'd imagine the 10's in the RT are even more expensive than that, since they are long throw vs the 10's in the noesis 210 that I have. Neo or not, the longer throw will add cost for sure..... The 12's in the Noesis are nothing special, 100$ driver if that.
Lol. Ok. So just a beefier driver in general is the cost difference in the 10s that what appear to be used in both the 210rt and 210rm. The lower max spl makes it look misleading and wonder if the bass/mid bass is just as loud from the 210s as the 212s. With the 4mm longer throw I guess it "could" be close.
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Thanks asoofi1,I'm still in the thing stage,got to do a search to see what triple 12s are worth
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Thanks asoofi1,I'm still in the thing stage,got to do a search to see what triple 12s are worth
Just as one data point to help gauge potential value, I sold my triple 12 L/R and triple 8 C last year for around $2500. They had the latest XO and compression driver.
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What are those "little" subs I see?
Looks like a SVS PB12/Plus2??
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I'm running a Yamaha CX-A5000 which uses YPAO for room correction. You should try the opening of T4 and tell me what you think about that....that was pretty serious. I'm also going to try the opening of EOT and the Star Trek scene you reference. Tonight I'm going to watch Hercules with the 215's full range without subs and see what I think.
I will check it out over the weekend. I am waiting for my wife to get home and we are watching A Most Wanted Man tonight. Not sure it is going to be a real audio winner, but I heard it was really good.

I have read that the CX-A5000 is a really good Preamp. I think Archaea had that unit or somebody around here did.
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More speaker porn for you guys, with emphasis on the scale of the 215RM. I took a few shots with a NFL football, a laptop and my old center channel speaker which wasn't a slender box.


Enjoy.....
Congrats Nabs... you're one of the few with the biggest baddest speakers around!

Those RMs are looking real nice... going to be saving up money...
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If you will be playing it that loud I'd get a pro amp as most of us use pro amps from many different companies. Don't want to clip the signal.
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I didn't have the 215s before, Coach did who lives about 10 min away. He was driving the 215s with a Sunfire something amp that put out 800w into 4 ohms. They had plenty of power but of course could have handled more.

The sealed 215RM wouldn't necessarily need a lot of power...depending on how you configured it. If you setup the 215RM to play down to 40 or 50Hz, it would need more power. However, after spending that type of coin on these speakers, I'd definitely throw some amperage at it. Then again, don't let the 95Hz sensitivity be an issue, that is still a heck of a lot more sensitivity than most speakers.
I have a LG 10000 clone and that Amp is a monster, putting out 2000 watts / channel into 4 channels. I tried it with the 212s and it was great.. however, after getting the Onkyo 3009, I never needed the LG again. The receiver can play as loud and louder than i would ever need.

The only problem with the Pro-Amps (the LG in this case) is that the fan noise is really loud and it's distracting. Also, if it's ever possible, I always prefer simplicity, ie, running everything off the receiver for instance.

Jeff just posted the specs for the 215 RMs and it's 95dB sensitivity. I keep hearing that people say you need a powerful amp to drive them, but at 95dB it's already far higher than most commercial (hi fi) speakers and I was wondering if there's a reason why a receiver can't drive them??? In the future, it's very likely i'll upgrade from the 212s to the 215s and if they can be driven by a receiver to reference (in a seating distance of 16 feet), then that would make my decision so much easier. (I know on these forums it could very well be suicide to say one prefers a receiver over a rack of powerful amps, but this is my personal preference).

Now, if only someone with the 215rms also still owns a receiver, it'll be nice to hear their opinion on this matter.
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Now, if only someone with the 215rms also still owns a receiver, it'll be nice to hear their opinion on this matter.
Coolgeek - What's this receiver thing you keep mentioning?
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Dgage, this is such a nice succinct summary of the different speakers.

It's looking like the 215RM is THE speaker for my next upgrade.

You had the 215s before. I was thinking that at 95dB sensitivity (although it's a lot less than the 212s), they should be able to be played with just a receiver. If you don't mind me asking, have you tried to do it with just a receiver and if so, can it hit reference?

I am thinking at 135 watts per channel the Onkyo puts out, that could get it to 116 dB (plus might be a couple dB more since it's a 4 Ohm speaker).
Yea but you quoted the 116db MAX output of your avr if it truly can do that into all the 215s at once is why I said use a pro amp. That 116db will be what at your seats? What just over 105db or so with no room for peaks so will only be asking for the avr to clip trying to get this output out of it, no?

Yea I know how loud the 10Q is but no need in using it as any amp that is capable of 200-500 watts would allow "most" people clean power with the 215s. So no need in buying a loud amp with 10,000 watts ;-) but at least give them enough clean power that you won't have to worry about anything. I'm a tad crazy with powering my speakers and use qsc3602s for my tiny T8s but the fans never get loud lol.

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Yea but you quoted the 116db MAX output of your avr if it truly can do that into all the 215s at once is why I said use a pro amp. That 116db will be what at your seats? What just over 105db or so with no room for peaks so will only be asking for the avr to clip trying to get this output out of it, no?

Yea I know how loud the 10Q is but no need in using it as any amp that is capable of 200-500 watts would allow "most" people clean power with the 215s. So no need in buying a loud amp with 10,000 watts ;-) but at least give them enough clean power that you won't have to worry about anything. I'm a tad crazy with powering my speakers and use qsc3602s for my tiny T8s but the fans never get loud lol.
Therein lies the problem. If 135 watts isn't enough, then 200 watts likely won't be as well because that only gives it an extra 2 dB headroom, and 400 watts with an extra 5 dB headroom is probably not enough either.

In any case, you are most likely right. I just wanted to hear from someone who has powered the 215s RM with a receiver coupled with subs (not the RTs which would need a lot more power to get down to 20hz) and get their review on it.
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Looks like a SVS PB12/Plus2??
Correct....that's exactly what they are. They will stay for now but chances are I'll move them to my bedroom system. If I do decide I want subs with the 215's...it'll be between 3 choices:


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More speaker porn for you guys, with emphasis on the scale of the 215RM. I took a few shots with a NFL football, a laptop and my old center channel speaker which wasn't a slender box.


Enjoy.....
Beautiful sight. I really like how your gray treatments look...diy or buy them?

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Correct....that's exactly what they are. They will stay for now but chances are I'll move them to my bedroom system. If I do decide I want subs with the 215's...it'll be between 3 choice:


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Beautiful sight. I really like how your gray treatments look...diy or buy them?
Thanks man...the gray treatments are Auralex DST-R's painted the same color as the wall. The panels are GIK 244's.
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Can I assume the Orbit Shifter?????
Really though.. I also have the RT and RM. Which pretty damn does well taking care 20 and up spectrum.. DO NOT for one second think these speakers are incapable. Especially when you start to talor them via EQ. So really think about the sub decision very carefully..
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Therein lies the problem. If 135 watts isn't enough, then 200 watts likely won't be as well because that only gives it an extra 2 dB headroom, and 400 watts with an extra 5 dB headroom is probably not enough either.

In any case, you are most likely right. I just wanted to hear from someone who has powered the 215s RM with a receiver coupled with subs (not the RTs which would need a lot more power to get down to 20hz) and get their review on it.
Oh yea. The 200-500 were just thrown out of the air as they are close to 8ohm 4ohm matching numbers and a ton of amps in that range that will run quiet. But yea Id imagine an amp around 750-1000 watts would be close to perfect if don't ever blast them. That way there would be ample headroom which we all like around these parts even if it turns out not to be headroom once a few beverages take control of the remote. I have all my equipment outside of my room so fan noise is irrelevant to me and would never go back to having any in the room if it raised the noise floor louder than my already quiet pj not in a hush box.
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Really though.. I also have the RT and RM. Which pretty damn does well taking care 20 and up spectrum.. DO NOT for one second think these speakers are incapable. Especially when you start to talor them via EQ. So really think about the sub decision very carefully..
Don't believe anything this guy rhed says...he's nuts...he's used to volcanic eruptions and desensitized now...so four S2 and a couple of 215RT are the only way to help him [emoji12]

All kidding aside, he's right though...you likely wont need subs if you setup those 215RT properly.. @RMK! doesn't miss subs and can chime in...but it is subjective...so play them and see if it's enough for you.

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O, I dunno

Don't believe anything this guy rhed says...he's nuts...he's used to volcanic eruptions and desensitized now...so four S2 and a couple of 215RT are the only way to help him [emoji12]

All kidding aside, he's right though...you likely wont need subs if you setup those 215RT properly.. @RMK! doesn't miss subs and can chime in...but it is subjective...so play them and see if it's enough for you.
Yeah, I know what rhed is running over there and I can only imagine what that feels like....I don't think I'll ever need 4 S2's but (you're both right) I plan on just playing with these and experimenting to see what sound I like and make a decision on subs somewhere down the road. What I want to do more immediately is get 4 slanted 8's....now I think that would be an incredible upgrade to my system as rhed mentioned earlier. In addition to that I want to move away from my Parasound amp to the Crowns to power the 3 215's....I also think that would give me a significant upgrade as well. That's my story and I'm stickin to it.

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