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carp's Avatar carp 12:56 PM 11-10-2014
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Speaking of these pics I was googling something screen wise and you room popped up with that same pic. I think I told you that already. It was funny because I had no idea it was your with that set up till I seen Carp attacked to. LOL. I have gotten you room now about 10 times on google searches mostly JTR stuff, but it is a famous room. To funny.

Haha, probably because I post pictures too much!!

raynist's Avatar raynist 01:35 PM 11-10-2014
Has anyone used the JBL2242 woofers as midbass modules?

I plan on either replacing my JTR 228's with Yorkville U215's, or using midbass modules.

I really am not sure what size box I would need for the 2242's and don't have much woodworking skills or tools. Have assembled flatpacks before but not sure if there is a premade box that would work.

Thanks
Ray
beastaudio's Avatar beastaudio 01:40 PM 11-10-2014
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Has anyone used the JBL2242 woofers as midbass modules?

I plan on either replacing my JTR 228's with Yorkville U215's, or using midbass modules.

I really am not sure what size box I would need for the 2242's and don't have much woodworking skills or tools. Have assembled flatpacks before but not sure if there is a premade box that would work.

Thanks
Ray


There certainly is. I have two and while it would be a bear to ship them, I am not opposed to offering them up if you want em. If not, I could send you drivers that you could build your own box out for. The finished cabs are the 4645b's. I used them very briefly as MBM's and for two 18's they are downright impressive for sure. I have kinda been wanting to drag them back out and play around with them some more, but alas, just haven't had the time for all of that...
N8DOGG's Avatar N8DOGG 02:01 PM 11-10-2014
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post
Has anyone used the JBL2242 woofers as midbass modules?

I plan on either replacing my JTR 228's with Yorkville U215's, or using midbass modules.

I really am not sure what size box I would need for the 2242's and don't have much woodworking skills or tools. Have assembled flatpacks before but not sure if there is a premade box that would work.

Thanks
Ray
Yup, I had 2242's in 1.7 CF boxes as my mdbass modules for my 212's. Kicked ass!
rhed's Avatar rhed 02:54 PM 11-10-2014
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post
Has anyone used the JBL2242 woofers as midbass modules?

I plan on either replacing my JTR 228's with Yorkville U215's, or using midbass modules.

I really am not sure what size box I would need for the 2242's and don't have much woodworking skills or tools. Have assembled flatpacks before but not sure if there is a premade box that would work.

Thanks
Ray
If I wanted to up the midbass region with a JTR speaker.. I'd look into the Growlers. Very reasonable in price. Not so big like the OS. But major midbass offering.
Reefdvr27's Avatar Reefdvr27 03:29 PM 11-10-2014
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Haha, probably because I post pictures too much!!
I just re read that post and the auto correct is killing me.
Nabs17's Avatar Nabs17 04:37 PM 11-10-2014
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Everything is relative..

the S8 would be forward sounding compared to many dome tweeters, but laid back compared to the 212s...

When I look at reviews and comments I like to look at people's relative views against different speakers. That way I can get a bigger or maybe even a more accurate picture of what everyone's saying...

To me those comments in the vein of 'speaker A will put a big smile on your face just like speaker B' or 'speaker A is just as good as speaker B' just doesn't add any knowledge base to me at all...

I also wanted to add that the S8s are phenomenal. Whenever I say, personally to me the S8 is night and day different from the 212s, they take it to mean I am putting down the S8,.. that's not how to read into what i am saying.. I am saying the S8 is phenomenal, but the 212s is just THAT much more better... (to me, that is, and one of the reason is the sound on the 212s is cleaner, tighter, more forward, and voices are so so smooth due to the lower crossover range which puts most of the vocal cord into a single point source).

In fact, I'll go on record to say that I have not heard a better surround speaker than the S8, and also the S8 will also sound a lot better than a lot of the hi-fi speakers i have auditioned...
Lot of guys here refer to "S8"....which "S8" are you referring to? The HT, LP or Slanted or are they essentially identical in performance? My plan is to purchase 4 "Slanted 8" real soon because I think they fit my room perfectly with the 30 degree angle but if one is better than the other.....well maybe I'll have to think about it more.
N8DOGG's Avatar N8DOGG 04:53 PM 11-10-2014
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Lot of guys here refer to "S8"....which "S8" are you referring to? The HT, LP or Slanted or are they essentially identical in performance? My plan is to purchase 4 "Slanted 8" real soon because I think they fit my room perfectly with the 30 degree angle but if one is better than the other.....well maybe I'll have to think about it more.
Yes same performance. Just different shapes.
asoofi1's Avatar asoofi1 04:53 PM 11-10-2014
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Originally Posted by Nabs17 View Post
Lot of guys here refer to "S8"....which "S8" are you referring to? The HT, LP or Slanted or are they essentially identical in performance? My plan is to purchase 4 "Slanted 8" real soon because I think they fit my room perfectly with the 30 degree angle but if one is better than the other.....well maybe I'll have to think about it more.
All the same. I prefer LP due to size...and can be angled when needed with some cable. Surrounds should be within foot above ear level for 5 or less seats. If row is wider, 6+ seats, then slanted and up a bit higher.
Nabs17's Avatar Nabs17 05:53 PM 11-10-2014
Thanks guys....that's what I was thinking as well. I have 6 seats and only 12' of width so my thinking is slanted 8, mounted higher...~7-8'ish would provide me with great coverage and involvement. My room is 10' high, so I think that would work out great.


If I had more width, I'd go with 4 228's for my surrounds. I think that would take my level of enjoyment up tremendously and it wouldn't be that much more expensive.
carp's Avatar carp 06:12 PM 11-10-2014
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I wonder if it has something to do with needing to bypass any and all internal sound processing in the PC.

I remember years ago when I used winamp for my player I downloaded a plugin called ASIO that bypassed everything in windows which was supposed to give a better sound. The trade off was you could not adjust the volume with Winamp, but I didn't care since I just used the avr for volume.

The reason I say this is because when I was installing Dirac today I kept getting a message that said ASIO could not be found on my system or something to that affect.

I'm probably way off here but just a shot in the dark.

Lance, here is what I was talking about. This is the message I get every time I open up the Dirac Calibration Tool:


lbrown105's Avatar lbrown105 08:01 PM 11-10-2014
Carp, I never saw that message before. If the manual is not helping then get a note into the Dirac support team tonight and you should have an email by tomorrow since they are quite a few hours ahead (I think 7 or so).
carp's Avatar carp 08:12 PM 11-10-2014
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Carp, I never saw that message before. If the manual is not helping then get a note into the Dirac support team tonight and you should have an email by tomorrow since they are quite a few hours ahead (I think 7 or so).
Thanks, I PM'd you back.
popalock's Avatar popalock 08:16 PM 11-10-2014
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Lance, here is what I was talking about. This is the message I get every time I open up the Dirac Calibration Tool:

Hey Carp,

Have you tried installing a Creative audio product on your system that supports ASIO?


raynist's Avatar raynist 08:31 PM 11-10-2014
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post
Yup, I had 2242's in 1.7 CF boxes as my mdbass modules for my 212's. Kicked ass!
Was this ported or sealed? Did you build the boxes or were they a flatpack?
raynist's Avatar raynist 08:32 PM 11-10-2014
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If I wanted to up the midbass region with a JTR speaker.. I'd look into the Growlers. Very reasonable in price. Not so big like the OS. But major midbass offering.
Those would be awesome!

I think they would be too large though.
raynist's Avatar raynist 08:33 PM 11-10-2014
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post
There certainly is. I have two and while it would be a bear to ship them, I am not opposed to offering them up if you want em. If not, I could send you drivers that you could build your own box out for. The finished cabs are the 4645b's. I used them very briefly as MBM's and for two 18's they are downright impressive for sure. I have kinda been wanting to drag them back out and play around with them some more, but alas, just haven't had the time for all of that...
Where are you located? I think we may have talked about this before when I was considering this a while back.
carp's Avatar carp 08:40 PM 11-10-2014
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post
Hey Carp,

Have you tried installing a Creative audio product on your system that supports ASIO?


http://youtu.be/HqVzZrxvzT0?t=4s

rhed's Avatar rhed 08:49 PM 11-10-2014
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Those would be awesome!

I think they would be too large though.
Yes.. Big.. But not as big as the OS. Besides, it's a horn sub. And that will certainly give a chest pounding, mid bass slam. It can be laid down on its side too. There's some videos on youtube on the Growlers. Lots of positives. Also some talks of them in the JTR forums pro side. Just trying to help out bro. And I'm sure Jeff always remembers a previous customer. Especially if buying more then one.. 😉
But bro, I imagine dual Growlers with your 4 Triaxes. Just plain sick man!!
N8DOGG's Avatar N8DOGG 09:39 PM 11-10-2014
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Was this ported or sealed? Did you build the boxes or were they a flatpack?
Sealed and used as stands for my 212's :

A pic of the boxes, they are on top.


and them setup :
N8DOGG's Avatar N8DOGG 09:47 PM 11-10-2014
I also just found this pic lol. Just for scale, thats a 72" TV and those are studio 60's v2 along with my first giant ported subs I built.. lol I think this was about 5-6 years ago


rcohen's Avatar rcohen 04:11 AM 11-11-2014
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Originally Posted by carp View Post
Lance, here is what I was talking about. This is the message I get every time I open up the Dirac Calibration Tool:

Looks like it could be something funky with your Creative driver. You might try uninstalling the driver, and using the Microsoft driver.
rcohen's Avatar rcohen 04:16 AM 11-11-2014
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I created a couple different filters no problem. It's just that they're not applied to any audio passing through my computer. I've selected DiDirac as my default soundcard and nothing happens to the audio. I've selected every output in the Dirac processor but no go.
Just in case it helps, I was able to select my video card's HDMI output, which worked great. You might try updating your video driver.
rcohen's Avatar rcohen 04:19 AM 11-11-2014
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That's the great part. Once you get the room measured adding different target curves is soooo fast. Then you can load up to four different target curves in the DIracc control box and instantly switch back and forth between them or Dirac off. Makes for great quick change comparisons.


Just make sure you run through the full measurement procedure a couple of times and save the projects separately. I go better impulse response improvements with a larger volume of measurement space (nine is the total number). Side to side, forward and back slightly and up and down slightly too.


My two week trial is over and this sucks. I would purchase it today but my pre pro is supposed to be implemented with it in Dec so I need to wait. This sucks!!!


Good luck and let us know how it goes. Oh yeah, also depending on how much boost you may add with a given target curve (I think Dirac maxes at +10dB) you need to make sure the clip light isn't coming on during music playback. It is an input clip indicator so MV does not factor in but filter boosting does. In default (-8dB) I have never seen the clip light come on though.
That's sort of what happened to me. I tried the trial 6 months ago. I was debating whether to wait for the XMC-1, which was due out any day, but I couldn't live without Dirac when the trial ran out. A little different when you already have the XMC-1, though.
Gooddoc's Avatar Gooddoc 04:43 AM 11-11-2014
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Just in case it helps, I was able to select my video card's HDMI output, which worked great. You might try updating your video driver.
Yea, I might try the update thing. But to be honest, I think I'm just going to uninstall and forget about anything windows coming anywhere near my HT unless it is absolutely bulletproof. This is the reason that firmware is best for HT, not software. But that's my own personal take, YMMV.
rcohen's Avatar rcohen 04:56 AM 11-11-2014
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Yea, I might try the update thing. But to be honest, I think I'm just going to uninstall and forget about anything windows coming anywhere near my HT unless it is absolutely bulletproof. This is the reason that firmware is best for HT, not software. But that's my own personal take, YMMV.
If you're annoyed by fighting PC flakiness and quirks, you'll probably be annoyed by Dirac Live. Their driver does cause some issues from time to time. I'd rather have it in a pre-pro, but I'm waiting for a reasonably priced one with Atmos. The Dirac Live trial might still be worth experimenting with to get a taste of what Dirac can do.

JRiver is the main thing that keeps me tied to a PC. No going back for me.

BTW, when using a PC for audio out, make sure to set all the speakers to large/full range on all audio outputs, in order to disable Windows bass management, which defaults on.
coolgeek's Avatar coolgeek 05:50 AM 11-11-2014
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Originally Posted by Nabs17 View Post
Lot of guys here refer to "S8"....which "S8" are you referring to? The HT, LP or Slanted or are they essentially identical in performance? My plan is to purchase 4 "Slanted 8" real soon because I think they fit my room perfectly with the 30 degree angle but if one is better than the other.....well maybe I'll have to think about it more.
Nabs, I guess they are basically the same. I asked Jeff this before I made my purchase and he basically said that.

As surrounds, these are little gems.
desertdome's Avatar desertdome 09:36 AM 11-11-2014
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Originally Posted by rcohen
BTW, when using a PC for audio out, make sure to set all the speakers to large/full range on all audio outputs, in order to disable Windows bass management, which defaults on.
That only applies when using a Direct Sound audio driver. When using a hardware direct method like ASIO or WASAPI, the settings in the Control Panel are completely bypassed. I can't remember the last time I saw anyone using Direct Sound.
Gooddoc's Avatar Gooddoc 09:44 AM 11-11-2014
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If you're annoyed by fighting PC flakiness and quirks, you'll probably be annoyed by Dirac Live. Their driver does cause some issues from time to time. I'd rather have it in a pre-pro, but I'm waiting for a reasonably priced one with Atmos. The Dirac Live trial might still be worth experimenting with to get a taste of what Dirac can do.

JRiver is the main thing that keeps me tied to a PC. No going back for me.

BTW, when using a PC for audio out, make sure to set all the speakers to large/full range on all audio outputs, in order to disable Windows bass management, which defaults on.
Just curious, what is it you use JRiver for?
dgage's Avatar dgage 10:44 AM 11-11-2014
Good...DD and rochen are present. Any comments or experience comparing Dirac Live to Audiolense? I was at one point thinking of setting up Jriver with Aidiolense but may upgrade my NanoAVR to the Dirac version.
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