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post #25831 of 30781 Old 11-20-2014, 07:15 PM
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Logically speaking, if the 212s ported is considered 'flat', then the LP giving up 6dB is not. And 6dB is a HUGE number, so if A is just enough mid-bass, then B is way, way down.

So, it's not excess to say 'the LP lacks midbass' in that context.

Now, on the other hand, for someone like me, until I owned the LP version, i have not even experienced speakers with the LP's (down 6dB) mid bass. Other speakers (those hi-fi type towers) I used to own have even less mid bass (at least at reference). So, for me, and for my music listening, the LP version of the 212 is perfect. Just that for movies, it's still 'lacking something'... and no issue there because like everyone said it can be fixed by DSP, Equalizer plus wall boundaries.
It has been mentioned a few times but I feel like it keeps getting lost.

The sealed version of the 212 is meant to be placed right next to the wall. When I talked to Jeff back when I was buying the 212's he said the only reason to buy the sealed is if you are short on space and they need to be placed next to the wall to get a boost in the low end.
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It has been mentioned a few times but I feel like it keeps getting lost.

The sealed version of the 212 is meant to be placed right next to the wall. When I talked to Jeff back when I was buying the 212's he said the only reason to buy the sealed is if you are short on space and they need to be placed next to the wall to get a boost in the low end.
Carp, you're right of course in that the Sealed version is meant to be placed near a boundary. Jeff have said this to me as well. I have known this because i asked Jeff before I made my purchases and I have no issue with my 212 and in fact loves it to death and you'll have to pry it off my dead hands.

However, what's lost in translation is that many here on the forum believe the 212 LP is flat and I have heard many said this many times. It is not. Saying it's flat is just inaccurate and can cause some potential buyers to make the wrong decision. That's why it's important to always allow people to speak their opinions without having to worry about being flamed.

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How high are you guys putting the horns of your 212ht's? Trying to determine how high mine need to be off the stage. Is there vertical dispersion of the horn pretty good?
Ideally, the horns would be at ear height. If they need to go much higher, the ideal would be to angle the speakers down.

Going a little bit off from this should be okay, but the further off you get, the more the quality will start to suffer.
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Ideally, the horns would be at ear height. If they need to go much higher, the ideal would be to angle the speakers down.

Going a little bit off from this should be okay, but the further off you get, the more the quality will start to suffer.
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Seated ear height is best. I found that with the horn center @ 44" off of the floor it was a bit too high. My 212's were on top of Great Grammas on top of OS's.

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Carp, you're right of course in that the Sealed version is meant to be placed near a boundary. Jeff have said this to me as well. I have known this because i asked Jeff before I made my purchases and I have no issue with my 212 and in fact loves it to death and you'll have to pry it off my dead hands.

However, what's lost in translation is that many here on the forum believe the 212 LP is flat and I have heard many said this many times. It is not. Saying it's flat is just inaccurate and can cause some potential buyers to make the wrong decision. That's why it's important to always allow people to speak their opinions without having to worry about being flamed.

It will often measure flat in-room with boundary gain. That plus the smaller cabinet size is the point of all of the LP models ...
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Okay so I just got my Jtr noesis 228s. I can't believe how fast they got tomy house, literally less than 24hrs! That's amazing.

I'm a little unprepared for theese to get here so fast so I don't even have a amp for em yet. I do have my inuke 6000 but can I use that with my speakers? I've never had speakers before that needed am amp so I'm really in the dark with this. Do they make 3 Channel amps or do I need to buy an amp for each?

In the mean time what is the minimum I can run theese with ? Can I just plug em to receiver for temp. Just give em a listen. I think its about 100watts per channel..

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Okay so I just got my Jtr noesis 228s. I can't believe how fast they got tomy house, literally less than 24hrs! That's amazing.

I'm a little unprepared for theese to get here so fast so I don't even have a amp for em yet. I do have my inuke 6000 but can I use that with my speakers? I've never had speakers before that needed am amp so I'm really in the dark with this. Do they make 3 Channel amps or do I need to buy an amp for each?

In the mean time what is the minimum I can run theese with ? Can I just plug em to receiver for temp. Just give em a listen. I think its about 100watts per channel..

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Okay so I just got my Jtr noesis 228s. I can't believe how fast they got tomy house, literally less than 24hrs! That's amazing.

I'm a little unprepared for theese to get here so fast so I don't even have a amp for em yet. I do have my inuke 6000 but can I use that with my speakers? I've never had speakers before that needed am amp so I'm really in the dark with this. Do they make 3 Channel amps or do I need to buy an amp for each?

In the mean time what is the minimum I can run theese with ? Can I just plug em to receiver for temp. Just give em a listen. I think its about 100watts per channel..

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AVR is likely all you'll need. I went from very old AVR to dedicated 2000 watts / channel amp back to new AVR and never went back to dedicated amps.
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It has been mentioned a few times but I feel like it keeps getting lost.

The sealed version of the 212 is meant to be placed right next to the wall. When I talked to Jeff back when I was buying the 212's he said the only reason to buy the sealed is if you are short on space and they need to be placed next to the wall to get a boost in the low end.
True, but at least from my experience with the regular ported T12's I had, I had them in the corner and STILL felt I needed more midbass at times. This is when you get into preference area though, not reference flat.

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That's awesome news guys! I was freaking out that I didn't have an amp but wanted hear Theese speakers sooooo bad!

I'll give it whirl and let you guys know what I think of em a little later
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That's awesome news guys! I was freaking out that I didn't have an amp but wanted hear Theese speakers sooooo bad!

I'll give it whirl and let you guys know what I think of em a little later
Unless you are seated 15 feet away or something, those speakers will easily hit reference off of AVR power, and do it with ease. You should have no issue playing movies at reference with those

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Unless you are seated 15 feet away or something, those speakers will easily hit reference off of AVR power, and do it with ease. You should have no issue playing movies at reference with those
Agreed. I'm about 7ft from an LCR of S8's and I watch every movie at or around reference (+2/-2 MV) powered off a Pio SC-35. Not a hint of stress! No bad sounds, no clipping that I can detect.


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Carp, you're right of course in that the Sealed version is meant to be placed near a boundary. Jeff have said this to me as well. I have known this because i asked Jeff before I made my purchases and I have no issue with my 212 and in fact loves it to death and you'll have to pry it off my dead hands.

However, what's lost in translation is that many here on the forum believe the 212 LP is flat and I have heard many said this many times. It is not. Saying it's flat is just inaccurate and can cause some potential buyers to make the wrong decision. That's why it's important to always allow people to speak their opinions without having to worry about being flamed.

Oh sure, I gotcha, understood.
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True, but at least from my experience with the regular ported T12's I had, I had them in the corner and STILL felt I needed more midbass at times. This is when you get into preference area though, not reference flat.

I never felt like the 212 HT's lacked in midbass, but I have to admit I wanted to see those drivers move!!

For me the amount of midbass I want is 100% content dependent. For some songs (movies too, but I don't notice as much) I like the mid bass boosted more, others less. I bet you are the same way?
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Can anyone tell me why there are two Neutrik inputs on Growler?
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Can anyone tell me why there are two Neutrik inputs on Growler?
I think all the JTR subs have 2. I am pretty sure my S2 has two connectors. I think there is an "in" and an "out" (if you want to pass the signal along).
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I have my 228s powered right now by a little 50w emotiva a-100 until I've moved to our new house. And in a 500sqft room, that little thing will power them to levels beyond normal listening. So any receiver should be more than enough
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I have my 228s powered right now by a little 50w emotiva a-100 until I've moved to our new house. And in a 500sqft room, that little thing will power them to levels beyond normal listening. So any receiver should be more than enough
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Any quality receiver will do fine.
Yes, any quality receiver capable of stable 4ohm operation. My choice is denon 4520
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I think all the JTR subs have 2. I am pretty sure my S2 has two connectors. I think there is an "in" and an "out" (if you want to pass the signal along).
Signal right,the S2 is active
But daisy chaining passive subs , so power, doesnt seem right to me.
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I think all the JTR subs have 2. I am pretty sure my S2 has two connectors. I think there is an "in" and an "out" (if you want to pass the signal along).
from what I understand all of the SpeakerPower sub plate amps have two connectors and you're correct, it's for powering a second sub if you wanted too.
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Agreed. I'm about 7ft from an LCR of S8's and I watch every movie at or around reference (+2/-2 MV) powered off a Pio SC-35. Not a hint of stress! No bad sounds, no clipping that I can detect.


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Dude, I can't be happier with the horizon material. I wish I had a nice DSLR or something and actual photography skills (well not really, but) so I could get better images, but I did the best I could

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I never felt like the 212 HT's lacked in midbass, but I have to admit I wanted to see those drivers move!!

For me the amount of midbass I want is 100% content dependent. For some songs (movies too, but I don't notice as much) I like the mid bass boosted more, others less. I bet you are the same way?
Kinda varies between genres, but I have found a spot that I can settle pretty comfortably on for MOST of my music. There are some metal tracks that still need a little more oomph.

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from what I understand all of the SpeakerPower sub plate amps have two connectors and you're correct, it's for powering a second sub if you wanted too.
No, it isn't for powering a second sub. It is only for the sending the input signal to a second sub. staaled is correct.
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My 212's came today at work. You should have seen my coworkers faces when the fedex driver delivered the 3 massive boxes. They just barely fit in my wife's van. The wife is going to freak when she see's the boxes. I told her about them last night and said they were I but bigger than the 228's
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My 212's came today at work. You should have seen my coworkers faces when the fedex driver delivered the 3 massive boxes. They just barely fit in my wife's van. The wife is going to freak when she see's the boxes. I told her about them last night and said they were I but bigger than the 228's
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Congrats. Are you still thinking of adding 2242's or just going to see what these do first...I take it you got the ht?
The 2242's were to work with my 228's. I am hoping I will not be let wanting more midbass with these, if I do I can always add it in with my inukes

Yes, these are the HT's.

My coworkers can't fathom why I would need speakers this large. One girl said 'don't you know they make small speakers now'?

If course they all want to come listen to them now.
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No, it isn't for powering a second sub. It is only for the sending the input signal to a second sub. staaled is correct.
Are you sure? So when a SpeakerPower plate amp is used in a master/slave combo like what Seaton does along with Reaction Audio now offering it where is the passive (slave) unit getting the power from? Because the plate amp is powering both subs.
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Are you sure? So when a SpeakerPower plate amp is used in a master/slave combo like what Seaton does along with Reaction Audio now offering it where is the passive (slave) unit getting the power from? Because the plate amp is powering both subs.
The Seaton and Reaction Audio amps do have power output with a master/slave. The JTR amps are a daisy chained signal connection. I've connected them before.
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How high are you guys putting the horns of your 212ht's? Trying to determine how high mine need to be off the stage. Is there vertical dispersion of the horn pretty good?

Diesel 48 - here's a directivity graph of the 212 LP's. Not sure how different the vertical dispersion would be.

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