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Regarding the DDRC-88A vs nanoAVR DL, I've had better luck with applying Dirac before bass management, although it can work either way. That would steer me toward the nanoAVR, which is also half the price.

It also eliminates the multi-sub issue.

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That thing only having 1 sub out makes it useless for me and quite a few other people. too bad, adding another sub out could have made it an awesome unit.
I think you can assign any channel as a sub.
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I think you can assign any channel as a sub.
Which would be fine if it didn't take away one of the other channels needed for surround. I guess if someone was doing 5 channel surround, it would be a badass unit.
I'd imagine that will will see a 10 or 12 channel unit in the future.

Also, Minidsp, get you act together and get rid of Phoenix connectors! Like really, who the hell uses that crap in a home theater....
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Which would be fine if it didn't take away one of the other channels needed for surround. I guess if someone was doing 5 channel surround, it would be a badass unit.
I'd imagine that will will see a 10 or 12 channel unit in the future.

Also, Minidsp, get you act together and get rid of Phoenix connectors! Like really, who the hell uses that crap in a home theater....
I use that crap in my home theater ... they are very nice ...

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I use that crap in my home theater ... they are very nice ...
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Well, then you can keep them!
I'll send you some for Xmas.

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Does anybody know the price of a 215RM?

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Pretty sure they are 3K each.
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That is correct. If you're considering getting one let me tell you now...it's huge but you already know that since you have the RT's.

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Thx. I think I will wait till the new one's start shipping, but I guess it is time to look at a third.
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That would be sick...three 215's!

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Yeah, I think it is time. The 228 does a good job, but it would be nice to be level across the board.
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Yeah, I think it is time. The 228 does a good job, but it would be nice to be level across the board.
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want a reality check for how good this thread is? Just spend some time at the "Lounge" and you will remember very quickly how awesome and fun this thread is, among many others on AVS. Just trying to get some basic information over their is awfully painful and some of the dumbest comments I ever seen on any of the forums. Ok sorry had to vent.

I should have Dirac soon (days) and plenty of time to play with it over the Holidays. Look forward to getting the Dirac signal back into the JTR's and updating my findings!! Did I mention JTR's are awesome!

Just finished watching some movie with 300mph winds. Acting B-, writing C- and special effects B.
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want a reality check for how good this thread is? Just spend some time at the "Lounge" and you will remember very quickly how awesome and fun this thread is, among many others on AVS. Just trying to get some basic information over their is awfully painful and some of the dumbest comments I ever seen on any of the forums. Ok sorry had to vent.

I should have Dirac soon (days) and plenty of time to play with it over the Holidays. Look forward to getting the Dirac signal back into the JTR's and updating my findings!! Did I mention JTR's are awesome!

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Near Field Sub Idea..

please give your input if this is a good idea.

I have maybe about a foot or so of space behind the first row of seats and the riser behind. I was thinking of placing 2x(4 Ultimax UM12-22 driver enclosures), behind it.. If I build the enclosure with about a 1 foot height, with the woofers slanted 45 degree, i can get the enclosure to be about 13 inches high (exactly the height of the riser behind so they don't jut out and ruin the esthetics of the room)... basically each enclosure would have 4 of those 12 inch woofers and maybe an internal volume of 3 cf. And power each 4Driver enclosure with one channel of my LAB 10,000 clone (2000 watts / channel). I could still have 2 free channels for maybe either some mid bass modules upfront, or maybe a couple of dual18inch boxes.

Basically, is it a good idea to place 8x12inch woofers right behind you nearfield? Or, is it too hot?
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Near Field Sub Idea..

please give your input if this is a good idea.

I have maybe about a foot or so of space behind the first row of seats and the riser behind. I was thinking of placing 2x(4 Ultimax UM12-22 driver enclosures), behind it.. If I build the enclosure with about a 1 foot height, with the woofers slanted 45 degree, i can get the enclosure to be about 13 inches high (exactly the height of the riser behind so they don't jut out and ruin the esthetics of the room)... basically each enclosure would have 4 of those 12 inch woofers and maybe an internal volume of 3 cf. And power each 4Driver enclosure with one channel of my LAB 10,000 clone (2000 watts / channel). I could still have 2 free channels for maybe either some mid bass modules upfront, or maybe a couple of dual18inch boxes.

Basically, is it a good idea to place 8x12inch woofers right behind you nearfield? Or, is it too hot?
I use a nearfield 15" TC Sounds LMS-R in a sealed enclosure. I only have 1 seat so that is all that I need.
I will never be without one. It is hard to get that kick in the chest bass at normal listening levels for me.


Obviously I think this is an awesome idea. As far as too hot you can give them whatever kick you desire by simply turning down (or up ) the amp gain. You could even go as far as making each box independently adjustable so that if someone else doesn't like as much kick, their side could be turned down. So many possibilities and ideas running thru my head .


My opinion is, once you experience a nearfield sub you can never be without it.


Hope this helps and as always YMMV,
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I use a nearfield 15" TC Sounds LMS-R in a sealed enclosure. I only have 1 seat so that is all that I need.
I will never be without one. It is hard to get that kick in the chest bass at normal listening levels for me.


Obviously I think this is an awesome idea. As far as too hot you can give them whatever kick you desire by simply turning down (or up ) the amp gain. You could even go as far as making each box independently adjustable so that if someone else doesn't like as much kick, their side could be turned down. So many possibilities and ideas running thru my head .


My opinion is, once you experience a nearfield sub you can never be without it.


Hope this helps and as always YMMV,
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Nice!

Yup, I think this is my plan then. I'll wait till the seats come in and see if there are any space. (in case I have to move the seat back from the screen more).
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It will take a little testing and experimenting to get a good balance between the regular subs and nearfield. Also they can be well integrated with Crowson Transducers so you can't even tell where the nearfield leaves off and the Crowson kicks in. I have my Crowsons crossed to my nearfield at about 35hz.
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Near Field Sub Idea..

please give your input if this is a good idea.

I have maybe about a foot or so of space behind the first row of seats and the riser behind. I was thinking of placing 2x(4 Ultimax UM12-22 driver enclosures), behind it.. If I build the enclosure with about a 1 foot height, with the woofers slanted 45 degree, i can get the enclosure to be about 13 inches high (exactly the height of the riser behind so they don't jut out and ruin the esthetics of the room)... basically each enclosure would have 4 of those 12 inch woofers and maybe an internal volume of 3 cf. And power each 4Driver enclosure with one channel of my LAB 10,000 clone (2000 watts / channel). I could still have 2 free channels for maybe either some mid bass modules upfront, or maybe a couple of dual18inch boxes.

Basically, is it a good idea to place 8x12inch woofers right behind you nearfield? Or, is it too hot?

I answered this question in the other thread you posted, but I will say it again. Do it! I love everything about it! I agree with MX48 that I would not be without it now that I have it.

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I answered this question in the other thread you posted, but I will say it again. Do it! I love everything about it! I agree with MX48 that I would not be without it now that I have it.
I posted it here, then wanted to delete the other thread, but forgot about it..

Anyways, yeah, all i am hearing are that 'nearfields' are a good idea, so i will most likely do it pending how far back from the screen i'll need my front row... I have the FP 10,000 Amp sitting around collecting dust anyways.
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Near Field Sub Idea..

please give your input if this is a good idea.

I have maybe about a foot or so of space behind the first row of seats and the riser behind. I was thinking of placing 2x(4 Ultimax UM12-22 driver enclosures), behind it.. If I build the enclosure with about a 1 foot height, with the woofers slanted 45 degree, i can get the enclosure to be about 13 inches high (exactly the height of the riser behind so they don't jut out and ruin the esthetics of the room)... basically each enclosure would have 4 of those 12 inch woofers and maybe an internal volume of 3 cf. And power each 4Driver enclosure with one channel of my LAB 10,000 clone (2000 watts / channel). I could still have 2 free channels for maybe either some mid bass modules upfront, or maybe a couple of dual18inch boxes.

Basically, is it a good idea to place 8x12inch woofers right behind you nearfield? Or, is it too hot?
Why am I always on the other side of these discussions .

I had dual Danley TH Spuds under my second row riser and ALWAYS found that the bass was localizable in that the bass energy was slamming me from behind instead of from the front where the action or event was emanating. I also had dual Captivators in the front of the room and except when demoing (e.g. showing off the earthquake shake) I much preferred the bass with the Danleys off. I/we could literally feel the pounding in the chair backs (50-120Hz) and it was very distracting. I suppose if all you are after is spleen busting (car audio type) bass then this is a good idea. I guess it's the difference between a nightclub and an IMAX. Just my opinion, YMMV

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Why am I always on the other side of these discussions .

I had dual Danley TH Spuds under my second row riser and ALWAYS found that the bass was localizable in that the bass energy was slamming me from behind instead of from the front where the action or event was emanating. I also had dual Captivators in the front of the room and except when demoing (e.g. showing off the earthquake shake) I much preferred the bass with the Danleys off. I/we could literally feel the pounding in the chair backs (50-120Hz) and it was very distracting. I suppose if all you are after is spleen busting (car audio type) bass then this is a good idea. I guess it's the difference between a nightclub and an IMAX. Just my opinion, YMMV
I actually haven't made up my mind yet. With the OS next to my bed, I have the same feeling as you. There's this feeling something is lurking just beside you.. a powerful force and it can be distracting.

On the other hand, I once had these dual sealed subs from Cambridge soundworks, part of their Ensemble 4 sat/sub system and they were very low profile subs so i placed them under my bed.. i really love those under my bed.. i can't localize them, but they did give me the type of bass i like... at that time, this was the best i can do...

So, i am thinking if it's a matter of 'sealed' vs 'ported'? maybe it's tuning the frequency range... etc..
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I actually haven't made up my mind yet. With the OS next to my bed, I have the same feeling as you. There's this feeling something is lurking just beside you.. a powerful force and it can be distracting.

On the other hand, I once had these dual sealed subs from Cambridge soundworks, part of their Ensemble 4 sat/sub system and they were very low profile subs so i placed them under my bed.. i really love those under my bed.. i can't localize them, but they did give me the type of bass i like... at that time, this was the best i can do...

So, i am thinking if it's a matter of 'sealed' vs 'ported'? maybe it's tuning the frequency range... etc..
Could be that the Tapped Horn design on the Danleys was an issue. There was quite a bit of airflow out of the horn but the horn exits were behind a 2"X12" so I don't think that was the specific issue. Having a 2nd story suspended floor HT probably has the most to do with it. The room has some crazy levels of shaking and motion so the nearfield subs are simply overkill in my specific situation.

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I agree if they are too pronounced they can be localizable. Nearfield subs for me must always be used with adequate subs at the front of the room to balance this out. Also I cut my nearfield off about 80 hz and don't get into the 100's for this reason.


Definitely must be done with experimentation. Even then it is not for everybody, hence the YMMV .


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please give your input if this is a good idea.

I have maybe about a foot or so of space behind the first row of seats and the riser behind. I was thinking of placing 2x(4 Ultimax UM12-22 driver enclosures), behind it.. If I build the enclosure with about a 1 foot height, with the woofers slanted 45 degree, i can get the enclosure to be about 13 inches high (exactly the height of the riser behind so they don't jut out and ruin the esthetics of the room)... basically each enclosure would have 4 of those 12 inch woofers and maybe an internal volume of 3 cf. And power each 4Driver enclosure with one channel of my LAB 10,000 clone (2000 watts / channel). I could still have 2 free channels for maybe either some mid bass modules upfront, or maybe a couple of dual18inch boxes.

Basically, is it a good idea to place 8x12inch woofers right behind you nearfield? Or, is it too hot?
Well, I of course think it's a awesome idea! lol Having 6 x 21's and 2 x ghorns nearfield can attest to that!. It's not that hard to get everything sounding right.
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Well, I of course think it's a awesome idea! lol Having 6 x 21's and 2 x ghorns nearfield can attest to that!. It's not that hard to get everything sounding right.
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Difference between JTR 212 ported vs sealed?

has anyone here heard both and can provide comparison?

How much mid-bass (which is really what I am looking for today) would I lose if I go with sealed 212s for LCR?

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has anyone here heard both and can provide comparison?

How much mid-bass (which is really what I am looking for today) would I lose if I go with sealed 212s for LCR?

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A few pages back dgage did a comparison. It seems anyone that feels they lack midbass is using the sealed.
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