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What about the JTR speakers is NOT a PA speaker?
A pro audio speaker is a PA speaker. These have pretty much every attribute of a pro audio, AKA PA speaker.

They are pro speaker heritage, that's where Jeff of JTR got his roots and experience - their default finish is a duratex/rhino liner like coating. They play to 130dB range, they handle 2,000 watts, they are exceptionally high sensitivity. They are huge and WAF is at the bottom of the build list while sound quality and massive capability is at the top. They must be used with a subwoofer. (outside of the RT series)

yeah....definitely PA heritage...definitely PA attributes.

And....there's not a thing wrong with that. They are darn good PA speakers, among the very best available --- they just happen to be to very excellent for home use too!
About the only reason you could say these aren't a PA speaker is because Jeff voices the residential line about 3dB down on the treble as compared to his pro line from what I understand --- because the extra treble is needed in auditoriums, but not in the home.


Call a spade a spade. Funny to see folk trying to duck the pro audio or PA label IMO. Not one thing wrong with these being spectacular PA speakers.

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What is the difference between the aluminum and wooden horn? In other words, why would a
Speaker manufacturer choose one over the other?
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I'm about to purchase jtr 212 LCR. I need to figure out my surrounds, rear and side and what I am going to use for atmos front and rear height speakers.

I can do 4 x slanted 8s but at 1K a pop, that's a tough pill. I would still need to figure out what Atmos/height speakers to use (lol, I don't even want to think about 8 x slanted 8s)


Any recommendations and ideas for surrounds??

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If you can assemble and paint a box, the DIY Sound Group has the Volt-8 kit in a slanted box. Comes to about $180 or so per speaker and keeps up with my JTR 228's at reference without breaking a sweat.
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What about the JTR speakers is NOT a PA speaker?
A pro audio speaker is a PA speaker. These have pretty much every attribute of a pro audio, AKA PA speaker.

They are pro speaker heritage, that's where Jeff of JTR got his roots and experience - their default finish is a duratex/rhino liner like coating. They play to 130dB range, they handle 2,000 watts, they are exceptionally high sensitivity. They are huge and WAF is at the bottom of the build list while sound quality and massive capability is at the top. They must be used with a subwoofer. (outside of the RT series)

yeah....definitely PA heritage...definitely PA attributes.

And....there's not a thing wrong with that. They are darn good PA speakers, among the very best available --- they just happen to be to very excellent for home use too!
About the only reason you could say these aren't a PA speaker is because Jeff voices the residential line about 3dB down on the treble as compared to his pro line from what I understand --- because the extra treble is needed in auditoriums, but not in the home.


Call a spade a spade. Funny to see folk trying to duck the pro audio or PA label IMO. Not one thing wrong with these being spectacular PA speakers.
I either disagree with you completely or agree with you completely. I haven't decided yet.

I'll edit to say I wasn't trying to hide the PA fact, I just honestly think of them as a home theater speaker with PA heritage. But you made a hell of an argument so I stand corrected that these are PA speakers.

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What is the difference between the aluminum and wooden horn? In other words, why would a
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No clue why Jeff chose it but as a look, I think the wood looks cool and if the cabinet maker can do it, it's just the cost of wood and time to cut/shape. The aluminum horns are made by a different company so an extra cost. It depends on how quickly/easily they can make the wood horn to say whether it is more cost efficient than the aluminum horn.

I think only the speaker designer could explain their reasonings if it is only due to acoustical properties because you're also looking at a shape difference too.
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If you can assemble and paint a box, the DIY Sound Group has the Volt-8 kit in a slanted box. Comes to about $180 or so per speaker and keeps up with my JTR 228's at reference without breaking a sweat.
I certainly considered those prior to purchasing my slanted 8's but I wanted to stay JTR for all 7. Also, the Volts don't ever seem to be in stock lately.....not sure why. I just checked again and I see a Volt-6 offered now but it's not in stock either. I'm still considering these for my heights or the CX-8 from Reaction.

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I consider the Nloesis 212HT to be home theater and the Noesis 3TX to be professional audio. Jeff does break his speakers into two different groups Professional & Home Theater.
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I certainly considered those prior to purchasing my slanted 8's but I wanted to stay JTR for all 7. Also, the Volts don't ever seem to be in stock lately.....not sure why. I just checked again and I see a Volt-6 offered now but it's not in stock either. I'm still considering these for my heights or the CX-8 from Reaction.
I don't think that the 6's have been put up for sale yet. When they are, however, they will go pretty quick. Even if I were to get some, I want in ceiling and would have no idea how to go about building a box for that.

I'm in the same boat as you and I think that I'm going to see what Jeff comes up with.

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Personally I think I'll wait on Atmos to see if more (better) content comes out. And while I'm waiting for that the preamps will have matured to more having a 7.2.4 Atmos offering instead of the base 5.1.2 on many. I'm sure there are more expensive offerings that have more channels but I don't want to pay that much, especially when I won't be using the amp section. And that will allow various companies to release Atmos speakers. See, I've got this thing all figured out.
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I consider the Nloesis 212HT to be home theater and the Noesis 3TX to be professional audio. Jeff does break his speakers into two different groups Professional & Home Theater.
But Archaea has a point too...I know I've told people my speakers are capable of filling a gymanisium with sound...I guess that means my home theater speaker is also a PA speaker. Archaea wins.
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What about the JTR speakers is NOT a PA speaker?
A pro audio speaker is a PA speaker. These have pretty much every attribute of a pro audio, AKA PA speaker.

They are pro speaker heritage, that's where Jeff of JTR got his roots and experience - their default finish is a duratex/rhino liner like coating. They play to 130dB range, they handle 2,000 watts, they are exceptionally high sensitivity. They are huge and WAF is at the bottom of the build list while sound quality and massive capability is at the top. They must be used with a subwoofer. (outside of the RT series)

yeah....definitely PA heritage...definitely PA attributes.

And....there's not a thing wrong with that. They are darn good PA speakers, among the very best available --- they just happen to be to very excellent for home use too!
About the only reason you could say these aren't a PA speaker is because Jeff voices the residential line about 3dB down on the treble as compared to his pro line from what I understand --- because the extra treble is needed in auditoriums, but not in the home.


Call a spade a spade. Funny to see folk trying to duck the pro audio or PA label IMO. Not one thing wrong with these being spectacular PA speakers.

The confusion is about semantics. PA means Public Address. So, any speakers used for that purpose can be called a PA speaker.

These speakers are so good, they are now used as 'Hi Fi' or 'Home Theater' and therefore when used as such is called a 'hi fi' speaker. I call mine HT speakers. In fact the 212s are marketed as 'Home Theater' speakers on Jeff's site. He has his 'Pro line' as well. These are made for HT use, so one should call them HT speakers instead of PA speakers.

Here's the definition:

"A public address system (PA system) is an electronic sound amplification and distribution system with a microphone, amplifier and loudspeakers, used to allow a person to address a large public, for example for announcements of movements at large and noisy air and rail terminals."

I think since so many PA system sucks in the SQ department, they have a bad rep...

The 'drivers used' have little or nothing to do with the end 'application' of fully completed speaker, although we see a majority of PA speakers uses compression drivers while a huge majority of hi-fi speakers uses dome, ribbon, etc... the speaker world is changing though.. i can see more and more using 'horn' type designs... and the whole 'hi fi' snake-oil industry as an exclusive club is fast becoming dated...

I can confidently say my 212s are more 'hi fi/ hi definition' then a vast majority of speakers marketed as 'hi fi'. In fact, i have compared it directly at my friend's shop that sells various 'hi fi' speakers, and these are far, far better... in fact, so much better that it's not even a close fight...
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But Archaea has a point too...I know I've told people my speakers are capable of filling a gymanisium with sound...I guess that means my home theater speaker is also a PA speaker. Archaea wins.
Exactly right.... The 212s can be called a 'hi fi' (if one were to place them in a polished box), or 'Home Theater' or 'PA'... whatever you like...
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The confusion is about semantics. PA means Public Address. So, any speakers used for that purpose can be called a PA speaker.

These speakers are so good, they are now used as 'Hi Fi' or 'Home Theater' and therefore when used as such is called a 'hi fi' speaker. I call mine HT speakers. In fact the 212s are marketed as 'Home Theater' speakers on Jeff's site. He has his 'Pro line' as well. These are made for HT use, so one should call them HT speakers instead of PA speakers.

Here's the definition:

"A public address system (PA system) is an electronic sound amplification and distribution system with a microphone, amplifier and loudspeakers, used to allow a person to address a large public, for example for announcements of movements at large and noisy air and rail terminals."

I think since so many PA system sucks in the SQ department, they have a bad rep...

The 'drivers used' have little or nothing to do with the end 'application' of fully completed speaker, although we see a majority of PA speakers uses compression drivers while a huge majority of hi-fi speakers uses dome, ribbon, etc... the speaker world is changing though.. i can see more and more using 'horn' type designs... and the whole 'hi fi' snake-oil industry as an exclusive club is fast becoming dated...

I can confidently say my 212s are more 'hi fi/ hi definition' then a vast majority of speakers marketed as 'hi fi'. In fact, i have compared it directly at my friend's shop that sells various 'hi fi' speakers, and these are far, far better... in fact, so much better that it's not even a close fight...
I thought PA stood for Professional Audio or Pro Audio.

"Professional audio, also 'pro audio', refers to both an activity and a type of audio equipment. Typically it encompasses the production or reproduction of sound for an audience, by individuals who do such work as an occupation like live event support, using sound reinforcement systems designed for the purpose. (By contrast, consumer audio is usually confined to the reproduction of sound in the home.) Professional audio can include but is not limited to broadcast radio, audio mastering in a recording studio, television studio, sound reinforcement such as a concert, DJ performances, Audio sampling, public address, surround sound movie theatres, and in some cases piped music application."
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I thought PA stood for Professional Audio or Pro Audio.

"Professional audio, also 'pro audio', refers to both an activity and a type of audio equipment. Typically it encompasses the production or reproduction of sound for an audience, by individuals who do such work as an occupation like live event support, using sound reinforcement systems designed for the purpose. (By contrast, consumer audio is usually confined to the reproduction of sound in the home.) Professional audio can include but is not limited to broadcast radio, audio mastering in a recording studio, television studio, sound reinforcement such as a concert, DJ performances, Audio sampling, public address, surround sound movie theatres, and in some cases piped music application."
Ah.. ic..

Anyways, what I said is still valid.. the definition defines what the 'application' of the 'audio equipment' rather than what the equipment is made of...... I can see someone building a really nice cabinet for the 212s, and market it as a 'Hi Fi Home Audio' speaker...
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Ah.. ic..

Anyways, what I said is still valid.. the definition defines what the 'application' of the 'audio equipment' rather than what the equipment is made of...... I can see someone building a really nice cabinet for the 212s, and market it as a 'Hi Fi Home Audio' speaker...
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I'm just astounded that PA speakers, the ones we normally associate as loud but terrible sounding cheap speakers, would have drivers that cost so much more than normal speakers.

I'd definitely be interested in auditioning the 212 if I have a chance. Recently I've heard of some incredible sounding (sound signature wise) PA speakers that's really getting my attention to try a PA type speaker. If anyone in California is willing to give me an audition, please let me know. I'll bring beer!
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I'm in the Sacramento area but have 215RT's. PM me if you want a demo.
Hi RMK!

Thanks for the offer for a demo. I really appreciate it. But realistically I'm looking at the 228s or the 212's if I really stretch it. Plus, I fear that if I listen to your system, nothing will ever sound good to me again

Again I appreciate the offer
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Move over "office linebacker" or the office Viking will kick your .....

I believe the JTR's should be called what they really are ------- great speakers at insanely low pricing! The value to performance ratio is hard to match even with DIY.
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I'm just astounded that PA speakers, the ones we normally associate as loud but terrible sounding cheap speakers, would have drivers that cost so much more than normal speakers.

I'd definitely be interested in auditioning the 212 if I have a chance. Recently I've heard of some incredible sounding (sound signature wise) PA speakers that's really getting my attention to try a PA type speaker. If anyone in California is willing to give me an audition, please let me know. I'll bring beer!
Well, think of it this way...

All the money is going toward drivers and crossovers with exceptional efficiency and power handling, in addition to frequency response.
Typical hifi speakers also focus on frequency response and cabinet design (and marketing, in some cases), but not efficiency or power handling.

Do you want to spend money on speakers to sound good or look good? Efficiency and huge dynamics certainly helps it sound good.

It's a surprisingly uncommon approach.

The standard finish does look like DJ speakers, though.
I had them out of the room recently, and some visitors saw them and excitedly asked me if I was a DJ.
One day, they'll be behind an AT screen...
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I like the way they look...seriously. When I first began my serious speaker journey just a few years ago (at the time I had Polk Tsi400s), I came
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are not only going to sound good they are also going to look good".

Then, an epiphany, I realized I was much more into movies than music. Hence, I began reading up once again on JTR. And I have to tell you, you guys are great
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I warned my wife beforehand that my new speakers weren't going to be good looking speakers. And my warning paid off, she said "those aren't as ugly as I
thought they would be, they're okay". All of my electronics are under the TV and are black also. Everything just blends together and is not a distraction when watching TV.

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What about the JTR speakers is NOT a PA speaker?
A pro audio speaker is a PA speaker. These have pretty much every attribute of a pro audio, AKA PA speaker.

They are pro speaker heritage, that's where Jeff of JTR got his roots and experience - their default finish is a duratex/rhino liner like coating. They play to 130dB range, they handle 2,000 watts, they are exceptionally high sensitivity. They are huge and WAF is at the bottom of the build list while sound quality and massive capability is at the top. They must be used with a subwoofer. (outside of the RT series)

yeah....definitely PA heritage...definitely PA attributes.

And....there's not a thing wrong with that. They are darn good PA speakers, among the very best available --- they just happen to be to very excellent for home use too!
About the only reason you could say these aren't a PA speaker is because Jeff voices the residential line about 3dB down on the treble as compared to his pro line from what I understand --- because the extra treble is needed in auditoriums, but not in the home.


Call a spade a spade. Funny to see folk trying to duck the pro audio or PA label IMO. Not one thing wrong with these being spectacular PA speakers.
I wrote in my post that I was not sure. I know they came from the PA world, but thought they classified more as HT speakers vs a commercial or convention type speaker. I mean I guess I have called my Noesis PA speakers a time or two, but like I said I was not sure they were true PA speakers as they would not be the first choice for anybody in the industry. Danley I would say is a true PA speaker that people have been bringing home for home audio and the Noesis more of a hybrid HT speaker consumer speaker. IDK. Either way I own two pair with no plans of getting rid of either so call them what you call them.
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Hi RMK!

Thanks for the offer for a demo. I really appreciate it. But realistically I'm looking at the 228s or the 212's if I really stretch it. Plus, I fear that if I listen to your system, nothing will ever sound good to me again

Again I appreciate the offer
No worries, but if you haven't heard these high efficiency pro audio derived designs before then you should try and take a listen before you buy.

BTW, I lived in Menlo Park (very close to downtown Palo Alto) for 25 years. I had a Bose Lifestyle system then and thought it was great ... that was about a $100K ago.

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No worries, but if you haven't heard these high efficiency pro audio derived designs before then you should try and take a listen before you buy.

BTW, I lived in Menlo Park (very close to downtown Palo Alto) for 25 years. I had a Bose Lifestyle system then and thought it was great ... that was about a $100K ago.
Speaking of demo.. Hey, RMK.. I'll be flying up to California, Sacremento in April. To visit my cousins up there. And my wife and daughter is attending a Arianna Grande concert. Looks like Axpona 2015 is out for me because of that trip. Anyway, I would love to hear and see your setup if you don't mind. And of course to get to meet the all famous RMK...
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Speaking of demo.. Hey, RMK.. I'll be flying up to California, Sacremento in April. To visit my cousins up there. And my wife and daughter is attending a Arianna Grande concert. Looks like Axpona 2015 is out for me because of that trip. Anyway, I would love to hear and see your setup if you don't mind. And of course to get to meet the all famous RMK...
Of course you (and the family) are welcome to come over for a demo visit . As the date gets closer let me know the specifics so we can get it on the books. PM me for contact info.

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Nice! I will.. Thanks..
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Speaking of demo.. Hey, RMK.. I'll be flying up to California, Sacremento in April. To visit my cousins up there. And my wife and daughter is attending a Arianna Grande concert. Looks like Axpona 2015 is out for me because of that trip. Anyway, I would love to hear and see your setup if you don't mind. And of course to get to meet the all famous RMK...
I can't believe that you want to go to California instead of enjoying our lovely April weather here in Chicago!

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I can't believe that you want to go to California instead of enjoying our lovely April weather here in Chicago!
Yea.. Was looking forward for another Axpona show. But, I guess this time its my wife's and daughters turn.. Beside, I haven't seen my Cali family for 3 years now. So it's time for a visit.. Then probaly head down up Seattle to see my other cousin that lives up there too. But, will definitely be up Chicago for the 2016 show. My wife wants to go back there again to her home state.
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I'm in the Sacramento area but have 215RT's. PM me if you want a demo.
Uh Uh... RMK's gonna make you spend tons of money...
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Uh Uh... RMK's gonna make you spend tons of money...
I like to let the speakers do the ... err ... speaking

It is an irrefutable fact that a direct listening experience is the best way to evaluate a loudspeaker. That is why I am happy to provide demos to interested strangers. I've received PM's from folks asking "how can you open your home to complete strangers?". I don't understand how some can be so into this hobby and yet not be open to such demonstrations. That is so much better than just providing a written opinion no matter how eloquently it is worded. I demo'd nearly all of the speakers I purchased prior to buying and feel a responsibility to provide same to those with a sincere interest. I have yet to have a bad experience in fact, I have met some great people as a result of these demos. As for the spending part, caveat emptor.
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I certainly considered those prior to purchasing my slanted 8's but I wanted to stay JTR for all 7. Also, the Volts don't ever seem to be in stock lately.....not sure why. I just checked again and I see a Volt-6 offered now but it's not in stock either. I'm still considering these for my heights or the CX-8 from Reaction.
Volt-8's are currently in stock and the new slant cabinet is available, too. Volt-10's were waiting on drivers from Parts Express. The drivers are back in stock at the end of last week so those kits should be available this week.

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I don't think that the 6's have been put up for sale yet. When they are, however, they will go pretty quick.
I ordered the Volt-6's yesterday. Should be here this week.
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