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The 12000 should hold the amount of wpc for longer durations (vs the 6000) thus not clpping. The 12000 is rated for 4ohm and 2ohm vs the 6000 rated for 8ohm and 4ohm.
Brian at SpeakerPower did test the iNuke 12000 and if I remember correctly, he stated the iNuke was way overrated by Behringer. But if you're buying the iNuke 12000 to use "known" power instead of rated power, it I'd a good value.

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An example of what I am talking about is the D-sonic rated at 1500@8ohm/2400@4ohm should clip before inuke 6000 rated @ 1500@8ohm/3000@4ohm or at least clip at the same time. That is not how in reality it will play out. You know a couple guys like Beast and Dgage if you get a chance to spend some time with a D-sonic you will figure out the differences. For what the inuke costs it is a lot of amp but there is the next level of quality and performance.
I bought SOWK's DSonic with 3 1500w/2400w modules and I won't even use close to the power since I bought 4 JBL 2225 drivers to use as midbasses. But I may build my own speaker at some point and want a powerful amp to test with.
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Anyway.. All the talks about the Inukes. Beside I will be shopping for a different amp for my L/R 215's. And will still use the 6000 for my cc 215's. I have different plans for the 12000 dsp soon. So will be calling Jeff early next year for some more addition to the system. Been on my mind for awhile now. And curiosity been hitting me since..
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Anyway.. All the talks about the Inukes. Beside I will be shopping for a different amp for my L/R 215's. And will still use the 6000 for my cc 215's. I have different plans for the 12000 dsp soon. So will be calling Jeff early next year for some more addition to the system. Been on my mind for awhile now. And curiosity been hitting me since..
You can't leave us hanging like that....what are these new additions that you're contemplating?

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Anyway.. All the talks about the Inukes. Beside I will be shopping for a different amp for my L/R 215's. And will still use the 6000 for my cc 215's. I have different plans for the 12000 dsp soon. So will be calling Jeff early next year for some more addition to the system. Been on my mind for awhile now. And curiosity been hitting me since..
Yep, I have been researching amps for awhile now myself. I was thinking of possibly getting the XMC1 paired with the XPA7 or I might look at one of the new Atmos AVR's with a 3 channel amp for the front stage. Probably by the end of February. See what happens.
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Yep, I have been researching amps for awhile now myself. I was thinking of possibly getting the XMC1 paired with the XPA7 or I might look at one of the new Atmos AVR's with a 3 channel amp for the front stage. Probably by the end of February. See what happens.
I'm running my 215's with 3 Crown xls-1500's and so far I'm liking it a lot.

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Anyway.. All the talks about the Inukes. Beside I will be shopping for a different amp for my L/R 215's. And will still use the 6000 for my cc 215's. I have different plans for the 12000 dsp soon. So will be calling Jeff early next year for some more addition to the system. Been on my mind for awhile now. And curiosity been hitting me since..

Would this addition be a certain new atmos intended jayterz?

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Depends a lot on the FR you are getting at the MLP. If DSP and boosting are in play then power can be gobbled up quickly (+6dB=4x power).

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It depends, but my guess is no. Boosting mid bass at reference and wanting full dynamic range almost certainly benefits from more power than you get out of an AVR, even if the AVR sounds "fine."

I'm not using anything besides my 7008 avr...I don't feel the midbass 'punch' so I'm wondering if I need to feed more juice. Is there an easy way to test midbass without measuring tools...like any demo material that I can hear or setup the avr in a particular way?

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The 12000 should hold the amount of wpc for longer durations (vs the 6000) thus not clpping. The 12000 is rated for 4ohm and 2ohm vs the 6000 rated for 8ohm and 4ohm.

An example of what I am talking about is the D-sonic rated at 1500@8ohm/2400@4ohm should clip before inuke 6000 rated @ 1500@8ohm/3000@4ohm or at least clip at the same time. That is not how in reality it will play out. You know a couple guys like Beast and Dgage if you get a chance to spend some time with a D-sonic you will figure out the differences. For what the inuke costs it is a lot of amp but there is the next level of quality and performance.
Thanks Chris. So, basically I'd be a lot better off with the D-Sonic and minidsp if I can afford it.

Currently I have plans for a nearfield sub so I would use the inuke 3000dsp that I am currently using for my mains for that nearfield sub so I need to buy a new amp for my mains. The 6000 is so cheap... but I'd love to get every ounce of juice I can from the 215's. Also, when I borrowed Jonathan's 6000 there was a lot of hiss compared to none from the 3000 so I'd like to get a nice quiet amp.
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I know everyone talks about the iNuke amps because they are great value but what about using Crown amps? The XTi 2 series looks like great amps and you can vary the fan speeds to make them quieter too.
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No.. I'm not ready for Atmos just yet. Probably in 2016 when there's more Atmos pre pro available. As of what addition I have in mind? Well, I'll post when I put the order in. Still need to talk to Jeff about it first.
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Thanks Chris. So, basically I'd be a lot better off with the D-Sonic and minidsp if I can afford it.

Currently I have plans for a nearfield sub so I would use the inuke 3000dsp that I am currently using for my mains for that nearfield sub so I need to buy a new amp for my mains. The 6000 is so cheap... but I'd love to get every ounce of juice I can from the 215's. Also, when I borrowed Jonathan's 6000 there was a lot of hiss compared to none from the 3000 so I'd like to get a nice quiet amp.
I'm going over to meet Dennis Deacon (DSonic) either next week or the week after. He invited me by to hear a demo of his amps. He's here in Houston (Sugarland). I'll update you on what I see and hear. Maybe it's time for an AVS discount.
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I'm going over to meet Dennis Deacon (DSonic) either next week or the week after. He invited me by to hear a demo of his amps. He's here in Houston (Sugarland). I'll update you on what I see and hear. Maybe it's time for an AVS discount.

Very cool Randy, I'll be curious to hear what you think.
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Turn those Submersives on their side and put in some JBL 2225/2226 midbasses on top. Power them with a few channels of the PA7-350.
When are your midbass modules gonna be ready? I'm pretty interested to see how this combo compares to the 215's

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I'm not using anything besides my 7008 avr...I don't feel the midbass 'punch' so I'm wondering if I need to feed more juice. Is there an easy way to test midbass without measuring tools...like any demo material that I can hear or setup the avr in a particular way?
If turning up the bass isn't giving you more bass, you are probably clipping somewhere in the chain.

If there isn't a blinking "clip" light available, that's the best way to tell that I have found, short of using a scope.
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For those considering pro amps (including the class D ones), one thing to watch out for is that some of them have fairly loud fans. That's fine if you keep them in a closet, but not so good if they're in the room.

Also, I liked the high frequencies better on my 212s with a high bias AB amp than on a class D amp. Some class Ds with extended high frequency bandwidth might handle it better. Some of the class Ds are a bit edgy on the high frequencies, but probably not all of them. I found that the extra high frequency bite can be nice on soft dome tweeters, but too much for the 212s.

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I know everyone talks about the iNuke amps because they are great value but what about using Crown amps? The XTi 2 series looks like great amps and you can vary the fan speeds to make them quieter too.
I would take Crown over Behringer any day of the week. They make better quality and performing amps. For value amps Crown and Emotiva work great.

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Yep, I have been researching amps for awhile now myself. I was thinking of possibly getting the XMC1 paired with the XPA7 or I might look at one of the new Atmos AVR's with a 3 channel amp for the front stage. Probably by the end of February. See what happens.
Take a serious look at the amp Dgage jut picked up from Sowk. 3 x 1500/2400

For a 7 channel amp the M3 5400 is Sweet. You can have Dennis build it with 2 separate power cords for Front 3 and rear 4. In 4ohm it is L&R = 2400 wpc C= 1600wpc 4 surrounds = 800 wpc.
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As with any amps.. And I've done my own testing. For some reason if you have more then one amp on a shared circuit the clip lights comes on sooner then when they are on their own cuircut. Like 8 or more dbs headroom loss. Now, if you have all of them on their own cuircut. Especially 20 amp cuircut. You'll be amazed what your amp will do. I have all of my amps on their own. Including my avr and all 4 S2's. Try it.. Trust me.
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As with any amps.. And I've done my own testing. For some reason if you have more then one amp on a shared circuit the clip lights comes on sooner then when they are on their own cuircut. Like 8 or more dbs headroom loss. Now, if you have all of them on their own cuircut. Especially 20 amp cuircut. You'll be amazed what your amp will do. I have all of my amps on their own. Including my avr and all 4 S2's. Try it.. Trust me.

Hmmm interesting. This could explain why I was getting 6-7 db's more from the CV 5000 and inuke 6000 vs. the inuke 3000 when powering the 215's. I know I had the CV on it's own circuit because I always do, but I can't remember how I had the 6000 setup. I'll have to do some more experimenting.
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I'm one thats had excellent results with any behringer product. Never had a failure of any kind on anything. I've had a few XLS's and the 2500's are no better built than the 6000's. They both work fine, just get the one you can get the better deal on I guess. Behringer just likes to get a bad rap from the pro world and I think even thats generally a crock to what they have on the market now vs when they got their "bad" name.

I've had my 215's on a clone, Crest 7.5 and my D-Sonic, IMO the D-Sonic is more than enough in my room for anything i could ever stand to listen to.
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I'm one thats had excellent results with any behringer product. Never had a failure of any kind on anything. I've had a few XLS's and the 2500's are no better built than the 6000's. They both work fine, just get the one you can get the better deal on I guess. Behringer just likes to get a bad rap from the pro world and I think even thats generally a crock to what they have on the market now vs when they got their "bad" name.

I've had my 215's on a clone, Crest 7.5 and my D-Sonic, IMO the D-Sonic is more than enough in my room for anything i could ever stand to listen to.
Which amp had the most output of the 3? The clone I'm guessing?
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Yup, the clone can really push them. Although without a HPF, the D-sonic can bottom them out! lol

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Yup, the clone can really push them. Although without a HPF, the D-sonic can bottom them out! lol
I can't bottom them with the inuke 3000, what you said ^ reminds me of how I couldn't bottom the ported caps with the ep4000 but as soon as we hooked the Caps up to a Crown 5000 they could be bottomed.
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Hmmm interesting. This could explain why I was getting 6-7 db's more from the CV 5000 and inuke 6000 vs. the inuke 3000 when powering the 215's. I know I had the CV on it's own circuit because I always do, but I can't remember how I had the 6000 setup. I'll have to do some more experimenting.
I think with any pro amp. Especially the cheap ones like the ones I use ( Behringer). It could be lack of effeciency of the power supply that it sucks a lot of amperage to produce its rated watts. Where as the more efficient ones (wyerd, D-sonics, Cherry, Speaker power, LG) need not much to produce all the rated watts. So these effecient ones on a non dedicated curcuit still perform to its potential. That could be the reason for the high regards for these amps when some goes from **** to gold.. Haha.. Me, I'll probably stick with my **** amps as I'm very impressed with the results. I don't even have hiss with any of the them or noise. But like I said, I have ALL of my amps on their own curcuit..
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I think with any pro amp. Especially the cheap ones like the ones I use ( Behringer). It could be lack of effeciency of the power supply that it sucks a lot of amperage to produce its rated watts. Where as the more efficient ones (wyerd, D-sonics, Cherry, Speaker power, LG) need not much to produce all the rated watts. So these effecient ones on a non dedicated curcuit still perform to its potential. That could be the reason for the high regards for these amps when some goes from **** to gold.. Haha.. Me, I'll probably stick with my **** amps as I'm very impressed with the results. I don't even have hiss with any of the them or noise. But like I said, I have ALL of my amps on their own curcuit..
I'm the same, all 8 of my amps have their own circuit. 2 x 30amps and 6 x 20amps

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I'm the same, all 8 of my amps have their own circuit. 2 x 30amps and 6 x 20amps

Haha that's awesome Nate, your theater room has more high amperage circuits then more houses.....lol
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No.. I'm not ready for Atmos just yet. Probably in 2016 when there's more Atmos pre pro available. As of what addition I have in mind? Well, I'll post when I put the order in. Still need to talk to Jeff about it first.
I know you are not ready for a reveal but I am thinking some midbass goodness..maybe some growlers..you can tell me if I am warm
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I'm the same, all 8 of my amps have their own circuit. 2 x 30amps and 6 x 20amps
You see! Even N8 does too.. Only he's amps are on washer/dryer (30 amps) type cuircuts.. You could do a concert in your house N8 with that kind of circuits.. Haha! Nice..
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As with any amps.. And I've done my own testing. For some reason if you have more then one amp on a shared circuit the clip lights comes on sooner then when they are on their own cuircut. Like 8 or more dbs headroom loss. Now, if you have all of them on their own cuircut. Especially 20 amp cuircut. You'll be amazed what your amp will do. I have all of my amps on their own. Including my avr and all 4 S2's. Try it.. Trust me.

I just recently put my amps on their own circuit and was shocked at what I was hearing! It didn't cross my mind that there would have been an audible difference, but there was. I didn't even need to measure to tell there was a difference but I did anyway. Also, my inuke amps were going into protection mode with the super low content such as the cop car smash in TIH and the opening scene in EOT. Now I get every bid of those scenes without any issues. Using a power filter is also a bad idea with amps as they really don't let a lot of juice get to your amp, but they will protect your breaker from tripping.
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