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Except for getting the JTR speakers, the Dirac room correction is easily the biggest improvement in sound I have experienced in this hobby. I know I stated this before with the two channel version, but now that I have full Dirac correction on the XMC-1 I can fully appreciate the difference for Mch music and movies.

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I really want to try Dirac but not being able get it the 2 week trial version to work with my pc makes me nervous about getting the minidsp that goes in between the PC and AVR.

Then there is the Minidsp Dirac that goes in between the AVR and amps but it only has one sub out and I assume I would have to get amps for my 4 surrounds and I don't want to have to do that.

Then there is the XMC-1 but I'd like to get Atmos at some point...

So I'm going to try to wait patiently for a future avr (possibly combined with a future minidsp) that has both Dirac and Atmos.
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I will also say that the 215's are seriously large speakers. It's hard to put it in perspective because you can read about how big they are, you can look at the measurements but none of that will prepare you for the day you take delivery. They are big!!!!
Yeah, pics don't do it justice but IMO this one I took comes the closest. This is a full size men's basketball.

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It took a day or two to convince my wife.

You didn't placed your head in that horn did you

Let's see how that phantom center can satisfy me. Looking at the comments over here I'm already more happy than this morning. It's nice to read the real experiences from owners. These are and will always be the best reviews for me.
Are you considering a premium finish? I have the standard black finish and I would say it's.....well...plain but mine are in a dedicated space so I didn't care and I have complete light control so you'll never see the detail anyway. However, it looks like yours will be in the open. If I were to place them in a room like yours I don't think I would want the standard black finish.

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Hey Bill, that is an awesome setup. Do you run your LCR as large with the full range dsp or do you keep them as small?

Also, do you have some pictures of your setup? As you know this is a very Seaton friendly thread.
Hey Carp. I set the FOH speakers to small and the LFE duties are handled by two F2 Submersives.

I can't post any pictures at this time because the entire system has been packed up in boxes for the last 8 months due to our move and home construction. We should be in the house around the middle of January, however the HT will not be ready at that time. I may be adding two additional F2's due to the larger room dimensions (30'x19'x9'). I won't know for sure until the room is finished. Pictures will be coming but it won't be for a while.

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Except for getting the JTR speakers, the Dirac room correction is easily the biggest improvement in sound I have experienced in this hobby. I know I stated this before with the two channel version, but now that I have full Dirac correction on the XMC-1 I can fully appreciate the difference for Mch music and movies.

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Good info! Did you ever try the Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core?

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Yeah, pics don't do it justice but IMO this one I took comes the closest. This is a full size men's basketball.
But they look so beautifull (and indeed so big). Maybe hard to imagine but I really like that style. They are the exact same hight as I am

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Are you considering a premium finish? I have the standard black finish and I would say it's.....well...plain but mine are in a dedicated space so I didn't care and I have complete light control so you'll never see the detail anyway. However, it looks like yours will be in the open. If I were to place them in a room like yours I don't think I would want the standard black finish.
Yes, I would like them in an other finish. At this moment I don't know which premium options excist and what the premium price will be. Is there some info somewhere to be found?

They will be in my living room and one of the things my wife demanded is a nice looking finish. Besides that she doesn't want weired treatments on walls or ceiling which I can imagine. That's the reason I'm a bit carefull and would like to exclude some things that otherwise will recuire things like wall- or ceiling treatment. When just DSP can do the job for me I will be a very happy man.

In our current living room we have the Klipsch Ultra2 THX set which is also not in a premium finish and she never appreciated this finish.

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But they look so beautifull (and indeed so big). Maybe hard to imagine but I really like that style. They are the exact same hight as I am



Yes, I would like them in an other finish. At this moment I don't know which premium options excist and what the premium price will be. Is there some info somewhere to be found?

They will be in my living room and one of the things my wife demanded is a nice looking finish. Besides that she doesn't want weired treatments on walls or ceiling which I can imagine. That's the reason I'm a bit carefull and would like to exclude some things that otherwise will recuire things like wall- or ceiling treatment. When just DSP can do the job for me I will be a very happy man.

In our current living room we have the Klipsch Ultra2 THX set which is also not in a premium finish and she never appreciated this finish.
If I remember this correctly, Jeff had premium finish 215's with him at RMAF.

Found some :http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=129359.40
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Hey Carp. I set the FOH speakers to small and the LFE duties are handled by two F2 Submersives.

I can't post any pictures at this time because the entire system has been packed up in boxes for the last 8 months due to our move and home construction. We should be in the house around the middle of January, however the HT will not be ready at that time. I may be adding two additional F2's due to the larger room dimensions (30'x19'x9'). I won't know for sure until the room is finished. Pictures will be coming but it won't be for a while.
rx-8.. That is one solid setup you got there. I don't think anyone has cat12's all the way around. Is it a 5 or 7 channel setup you got? I would run all those to full range since they are FR capable. And 2 more active F2's will make it one untouchable setup.. I got yo experience one Marks ultimate setup at the 2014 Axpona. 4 F2's up front, 4 SubM's rears, LCR cat12's, 6 cat8's surrounds. It was a truly awesome and jaw dropping experience.
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If I remember this correctly, Jeff had premium finish 215's with him at RMAF.

Found some :http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=129359.40
Thanks staaled. I saw some examples of a premium finish on JTR's forum, some really nice and some not. Personally I also like the standard black finish. Maybe I let them deliver with the standard color and if it's really not appreciated at home I can always take them to a professional painter.

Maybe it would be best if I send a mail to JTR to ask them the question about a finish.

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Thanks staaled. I saw some examples of a premium finish on JTR's forum, some really nice and some not. Personally I also like the standard black finish. Maybe I let them deliver with the standard color and if it's really not appreciated at home I can always take them to a professional painter.

Maybe it would be best if I send a mail to JTR to ask them the question about a finish.
If you're gonna have WAF concerns, I really don't think she will like the standard finish. There are options...look here:


http://jtrspeakers.websitetoolbox.co...post1275658541


I'll try to get a close-up picture of the standard back finish to show you the detail.
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If you're gonna have WAF concerns, I really don't think she will like the standard finish. There are options...look here:


http://jtrspeakers.websitetoolbox.co...post1275658541


I'll try to get a close-up picture of the standard back finish to show you the detail.
That's the link I was talking about with staaled when I said I saw some examples of premium finishes. I like the walnut most but didn't show this yet to my wife.

I did show her Rob's picture with the basketbal because she asked me why I had to laugh. She looked very strange to me when I showed her the picture

She did ask me if it was possible to have one big grill that would also cover the horn. I said I don't know. Maybe you know if this will destroy the performance of the horn or not. The reason why she asked is because with the Klipsch the horns are also covered by the grill.

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That's the link I was talking about with staaled when I said I saw some examples of premium finishes. I like the walnut most but didn't show this yet to my wife.

I did show her Rob's picture with the basketbal because she asked me why I had to laugh. She looked very strange to me when I showed her the picture

She did ask me if it was possible to have one big grill that would also cover the horn. I said I don't know. Maybe you know if this will destroy the performance of the horn or not. The reason why she asked is because with the Klipsch the horns are also covered by the grill.
I am sure you can cover the horn. The horns in the 212's are covered. I agree that it would look nicer if the horn was covered.
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Except for getting the JTR speakers, the Dirac room correction is easily the biggest improvement in sound I have experienced in this hobby. I know I stated this before with the two channel version, but now that I have full Dirac correction on the XMC-1 I can fully appreciate the difference for Mch music and movies.

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I'm now rethinking the XMC-1. I was going to sit it out and wait to see if anyone has an atmos processor with Dirac (Outlaw?) but that may be a very long wait. One reason that I'm hesitant is that I'm not an Emotiva fan. I can't stand "The Lounge" and the awful atmosphere that Emotiva has actively fostered over there. I have a hard time giving money to people like that. On the flip side, who am I really punishing? It's a shame, because it sounds like the xmc is a great piece of equipment.

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I am sure you can cover the horn. The horns in the 212's are covered. I agree that it would look nicer if the horn was covered.
Great, this is one I will keep in my pocket for now.

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Good info! Did you ever try the Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core?
I have not tried that unit. For PEQ I have always used the mini dsp which has independent levels, delays XO etc per channel but it is a manual process. I could not get it to really impact the impulse response much. Are you using the Anti mode and if so is it having much affect on the impulse response?

Dirac has me convinced the old rules about not EQ'ing above the bass region should be reconsidered with the right approach (theirs is mixed phase approach). I have heard many say the the freq domain follows the time domain, and from what I have tested Dirac is getting it right.

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I have not tried that unit. For PEQ I have always used the mini dsp which has independent levels, delays XO etc per channel but it is a manual process. I could not get it to really impact the impulse response much. Are you using the Anti mode and if so is it having much affect on the impulse response?

Dirac has me convinced the old rules about not EQ'ing above the bass region should be reconsidered with the right approach (theirs is mixed phase approach). I have heard many say the the freq domain follows the time domain, and from what I have tested Dirac is getting it right.
No, I haven't tried it. I didn't tried or used any besides the Audyssey XT on my Onkyo 5010.

But having said that, I have read some great reviews about that type of Anti-mode. It is able to correct the whole speaker instead of only the sub. That's where my big interests begins because I will most probably have to correct a couple of things when I will have JTR 215's in my new house.

That's the reason for my question and sorry that I can't be of any more help at this moment for you.

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^actually that's great information I didn't realise anti mode had a full range correction. thx for the information.

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I really want to try Dirac but not being able get it the 2 week trial version to work with my pc makes me nervous about getting the minidsp that goes in between the PC and AVR.

Then there is the Minidsp Dirac that goes in between the AVR and amps but it only has one sub out and I assume I would have to get amps for my 4 surrounds and I don't want to have to do that.

Then there is the XMC-1 but I'd like to get Atmos at some point...

So I'm going to try to wait patiently for a future avr (possibly combined with a future minidsp) that has both Dirac and Atmos.
Sheldon, that's a tough one. I am really curious to hear the 215 in two channel mode with Dirac but I also understand your wanting the Atmos setup. Sooo many decisions
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I really want to try Dirac but not being able get it the 2 week trial version to work with my pc makes me nervous about getting the minidsp that goes in between the PC and AVR.

Then there is the Minidsp Dirac that goes in between the AVR and amps but it only has one sub out and I assume I would have to get amps for my 4 surrounds and I don't want to have to do that.

Then there is the XMC-1 but I'd like to get Atmos at some point...

So I'm going to try to wait patiently for a future avr (possibly combined with a future minidsp) that has both Dirac and Atmos.
I'm down for a few weeks waiting on speakers. You got time to really learn this unit over the next few weeks?
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^actually that's great information I didn't realise anti mode had a full range correction. thx for the information.

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Great I could be of any help and bring you to some new ideas. Keep us updated and let us know when you, at some point, will check out this Anti-Mode.

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Sheldon, that's a tough one. I am really curious to hear the 215 in two channel mode with Dirac but I also understand your wanting the Atmos setup. Sooo many decisions
Here is also someone very interested in the 215 in two channel mode. Great you are checking this out!

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Hmm.. I have the Antimode 2.0. I should experience with it by hooking it up to the 215's. Though I won't have any sub Eq for my subs. But I guess I can bring out the ole SMS-1. Wonder though if I hook up the Antimode to my 215's, I guess I disable all EQ done in the inuke before running auto cal on the Antimode?
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I am reposting this here so you can see for yourself. It was previously posted on another thread (note: this was quite a while back so i don't think it's their new screen if they have any):

I am almost ready to buy my screen now and I have decided to go with the XD as it's the brightest AT screen I could find and after spending hours viewing lots of materials both still images and BluRay movies, both me and my friends that that XD looks the best. BTW: This is my own and my friend's opinions. You should always get your own sample and make your own decision on what screens best fit your home theater.

Please note that I have not tested any of their Acoustic Properties. We know the specs for the XD pretty well as it's published on the Seymour website (assuming it's accurate). The falcon still needed to be tested. With a tighter weave, I would assume it's going to lose out at least in a small bit in terms of acoustic transparency.. but that's just conjecture at this point.

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Falcon:

- Weave is visible to about 8 feet. People with very sharp eyesight might be able to see them at about 10 feet (Note: weave is only visible with bright white scenes and not very visible for regular movie scenes).
- Contrast a bit better than XD (black is slightly blacker, some colors are deeper)
- Brightness level loses to XD but beats EN4K. I would say, from the photos below as you can see yourself, the gain level of the Falcon is right in the middle of the XD and the EN4K. From what we know, it's published by Seymour that their XD is 20% brighter than their EN4K, so I would say the Falson is 10% dimmer than the XD.

Centerstage XD:

- Weave visible to about 10 feet and disappears at about 11-12 feet depending on your eyesight. And this only applies to very bright/white scenes. For amost all movie scenes, I could not see it even at 6-8 feet (or rather would not notice it if i wasn't squinting my eyes and purposely looking for it).
- Contrast slightly less than either the Falcon or EN4K, but it's hardly noticeable in moving pictures. For still images it's noticeable.
- Gain - This has the most gain. And it looks the best to me in terms of the 'pop' factor. Skin tones are the most natural and translucent, compared to the 'duller' EN4K or Falcon.

Summary:

If you're going to be sitting beyond 10 feet, I would really suggest the XD. If you're sitting really close, then the Falson,.. I really couldn't recommend the EN4K because it's just so darn dark... You'll need a light canon of a projector... or, if your screen is really small...

Photos below are shown in such a way:

Left: Falcon
Middle: XD
Right : EN4K

Note: Seymour have published that the EN4K material is 20% dimmer than the XD, and as you can see the Left looks almost exactly in the middle in terms of brightness between the XD and the EN4K, so my initial statement that the Falcon is about 10% dimmer is just about right. Without a proper measurement, I'll say it'll be around that ball-park, give or take a few percentage.

See for yourself:





In these last two scenes, the differences not as much but still visible there. When watching a full movie, the XD will have more pop overall and colors are more vibrant.


I have seen this before, but judging from that test, I like the one in the middle, which I believe is the XD?
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Try it out Rhed. Are you using REW? I forget. Would be great to see some impulse response graphs.

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I'll try to get a close-up picture of the standard back finish to show you the detail.
@Daveys ....here is a up close picture of the standard black finish.
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I own two Anti Mode Dual Core's.
One on the Captivators , one full range in a small second system ( as DAC / preamp).
In both setups they perform admirably.
Great are the multiple presets, 4 total, and on the
fly bass and treble adjustments.
That ,and it attacks the peaks like a sherpa.

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I really want to try Dirac but not being able get it the 2 week trial version to work with my pc makes me nervous about getting the minidsp that goes in between the PC and AVR.

Then there is the Minidsp Dirac that goes in between the AVR and amps but it only has one sub out and I assume I would have to get amps for my 4 surrounds and I don't want to have to do that.

Then there is the XMC-1 but I'd like to get Atmos at some point...

So I'm going to try to wait patiently for a future avr (possibly combined with a future minidsp) that has both Dirac and Atmos.
I think I have decided on the XMC-1. I have to wait till March as Christmas wiped me out. Still weighing a 7 channel amp to pair up with it. I am looking at the DSonic as well as that Emotiva, plus I believe it is a little cheaper. Also going to comb the used market.
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@Daveys ....here is a up close picture of the standard black finish.
Great Nabs17, I don't think it's that bad. I actually like it but you are right about the WAF.

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I really want to try Dirac but not being able get it the 2 week trial version to work with my pc makes me nervous about getting the minidsp that goes in between the PC and AVR.

Then there is the Minidsp Dirac that goes in between the AVR and amps but it only has one sub out and I assume I would have to get amps for my 4 surrounds and I don't want to have to do that.

Then there is the XMC-1 but I'd like to get Atmos at some point...

So I'm going to try to wait patiently for a future avr (possibly combined with a future minidsp) that has both Dirac and Atmos.
I think I have decided on the XMC-1. I have to wait till March as Christmas wiped me out. Still weighing a 7 channel amp to pair up with it. I am looking at the DSonic as well as that Emotiva, plus I believe it is a little cheaper. Also going to comb the used market. I am also interested in Atmos, but I am pretty far away from it. Maybe in a couple of years. See what March brings.
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Try it out Rhed. Are you using REW? I forget. Would be great to see some impulse response graphs.
I think I will lbrown. I'm just curious what it will do with the 215's. I haven't used REW for awhile. My brother has my mic and getting his system dialed in. But I did use REW in combination with the EQ in the Inuke. I first ran the auto cal in the Antimode for the subs. Xover set at large for mains and small for surrounds. Anyway this was my last EQed response run on REW. With room treatments..

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