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post #26821 of 30560 Old 12-26-2014, 09:37 PM
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N8.. Have you any experience with any of their amps?
Ya, I had an xpa-2, xpa-5 and a upa-2. The led's quit working on the xpa-2's front, 3 of the xpa-5's channels went out and the upa-2's rca's were faulty on the back. I fixed the led's (which turned out to be a big job that sucked) and the other 2 were fixed locally. They were looked at and emotiva sent them the parts but I had to pay for everything, all under warranty..... ya, not ever using an emotiva amp again lol

Like I've said before, that doesn't seem to be the norm. I should also note my D-sonic had 2 faulty ICE modules within a month of each other on the same channel. It turned out to be a short in the wiring and I personally fixed it (it took literally 5 seconds lol) but didn't know that was the issue until the second module quit.

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Ya, I had an xpa-2, xpa-5 and a upa-2. The led's quit working on the xpa-2's front, 3 of the xpa-5's channels went out and the upa-2's rca's were faulty on the back. I fixed the led's (which turned out to be a big job that sucked) and the other 2 were fixed locally. They were looked at and emotiva sent them the parts but I had to pay for everything, all under warranty..... ya, not ever using an emotiva amp again lol

Like I've said before, that doesn't seem to be the norm. I should also note my D-sonic had 2 faulty ICE modules within a month of each other on the same channel. It turned out to be a short in the wiring and I personally fixed it (it took literally 5 seconds lol) but didn't know that was the issue until the second module quit.
Wow.. It's just a mix bag with all I read about Emotiva. Some people with bad experience and some just rave about them. And then a faulty with the D-sonic? Bro.. I'm thinking you either having bad luck with amps you go through. And then again when I think about it.. with all that fire power you have in your cave.. You're not really the type to run amps hard on occasion only..haha!
Again, there is no excuses no matter how hard you drive them, it should hold its reliability for any givin length. Lol
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Yep, I love the look too!! I'm just under 6'1" so yeah, pretty much same exact height as me too. They look a lot better without the grills too.
Almost any speaker looks better without the grill

My wife really would like to have one big grill that will cover also the horn. Summum for her will be a grill covering the whole front. If that's all the effort I have to make to get the 215's in the living room it's fine by me.

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Alright - crappy pics attached. I think I'll need to break out the good camera, since the iPhone ain't cutting it....

140" screen is up now....loving it. Still need to hook up the buttkickers, but when playing demo tracks it is already pretty visceral....things move. Everythings move!

Due to the soundproof-ish nature of my HT, my wife has resorted to texting me, and during some demo time, her last one said "cabinets are shaking...too loud."
Great pics Quill and an awesome setup you got there.

LOL, your wife texting you, that's next level for me

Are there any pics of a premium finsh with the wooden horn because that will probably look pretty good. It will definitely increase the WAF which is always good.

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This is the most simple configuration in combination with two 215's and one amp

Using Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core as a DAC / Pre-amp

This is the simplest and one of the best way to use Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core.

Source(s) -> Anti-Mode 2.0DC inputs (USB,S/PDIF,Analog), Anti-Mode 2.0DC analog out -> Power amplifier/active speakers analog input







The thing I'm now trying to find out is how it would be possible with this configuration to have all the connections I need (TV setup box, PS3, Wii) that are available on a pre-amp without using a pre-amp

Here you can find a lot more configurations, http://www.dspeaker.com/en/technolog...examples.shtml

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BUT, we are also looking for it lol. He now uses a 2.5 high gain for 3D and a drop down 1.0 reference screen for regular viewing. IMO, anything less than a 1.4 for 3D is awful for any sized screen, even with a light cannon for 3D. I've got a 1.0 on 108" (panny 7000) and it's way to dim for my liking n 3D but I got such a good deal on my screen so I can't take it out LOL.
That's one way to do it I suppose (with dual screens). In my case, it won't be possible as the speakers are behind my screen and if i place a NON-AT screen in front of that, sound would suffer.

On the note of 1.4 gain screen. The Sony 500ES is more than 1.5 time brighter post calibration compared to the 55ES... so, if you're ok on the 55es on a 1.4 gain screen, then the 500es would be ok for you on a 0.9 gain screen. In fact, the improved black levels also make it seem even brighter in 3D... for some reason, even on the very low gain screen of the Black Diamond, the 500ES looks awesome and bright enough for me on a 8 feet wide 16:9 screen.

Today, I saw again the LG's OLED tv... dang.. that thing is a beauty... imagine using OLED coupled with HDR and Extended Color space that covers most of our vision's, plus 120 fps for each eye. That would be the ultimate 3D experience.

Other than that... perhaps a laser projector that can do HDR, Extended Colors, and lots and lots of lumens!

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I have seen this before, but judging from that test, I like the one in the middle, which I believe is the XD?
Yup.. the middle is the XD, the one on the left is the falcon, and the right one is the EN4K.

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This is the most simple configuration in combination with two 215's and one amp

Using Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core as a DAC / Pre-amp

This is the simplest and one of the best way to use Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core.

Source(s) -> Anti-Mode 2.0DC inputs (USB,S/PDIF,Analog), Anti-Mode 2.0DC analog out -> Power amplifier/active speakers analog input







The thing I'm now trying to find out is how it would be possible with this configuration to have all the connections I need (TV setup box, PS3, Wii) that are available on a pre-amp without using a pre-amp

Here you can find a lot more configurations, http://www.dspeaker.com/en/technolog...examples.shtml
Toslink switch for the three.
I expect analog outputs to be of less quality for those three.
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And DC only accepts LPCM.
So if a settopbox does not decode Dolby Digital signal, my UPC box doesn't, you'll have no sound.
Going analog will solve this.
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212 LP (Sealed)

"As for the mid bass between the two mentioned JTR products, it seems like the sealed edition was intentionally designed to operate differently, perhaps to compensate for baffle step when placed up against a wall? This is just speculation and I could be way off, but regardless it's not typical of a sealed system, it's typical of a desired FR curve."

This was Jeremy, with Reaction Audio, reply once he took a look at Dgage's FR graph on the 212 LP. Impressive He nailed it.

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Try it out Rhed. Are you using REW? I forget. Would be great to see some impulse response graphs.
What should one look for in those ? (what is a good response ?)

The REW section on this is not very helpful.
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Toslink switch for the three.
I expect analog outputs to be of less quality for those three.
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And DC only accepts LPCM.
So if a settopbox does not decode Dolby Digital signal, my UPC box doesn't, you'll have no sound.
Going analog will solve this.
Hmm, this will be sound only so I will need a HDMI switch also. Maybe a used pre-amp will be better?

I'm just looking for the best quality.

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Hmm, this will be sound only so I will need a HDMI switch also. Maybe a used pre-amp will be better?

I'm just looking for the best quality.
Marantz's 8801 is a bargain, brand new, at the moment.
I find it's sound a nice match on JTRs.
Lots of inputs and if you go ADSY pro you can tweak that too.
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Marantz's 8801 is a bargain, brand new, at the moment.
I find it's sound a nice match on JTRs.
Lots of inputs and if you go ADSY pro you can tweak that too.
The Marantz is a great performer but in a couple of hours my Onkyo 5010 will be sold and out of my house. I will feel pretty stupid to replace it with a 8801 Besides that I see it as overkill in a stereo setup. It feels like burning money for no good reason.

I can't decide which way to go. I made up my mind about the speakers, a pair of JTR 215's and nothing else.
Made up my mind about the amplification, D-Sonic m3-3000s.
Pretty much made up my mind about the DSP I want to use, the Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core.

For the rest I'm stuck at this moment. I do not see a good satisfying solution to make the final step to complete the whole setup.

Facts to come to this solution is that I will have one TV and four extarnal units with HDMI that I want to see on the TV and definitely want to hear on the two JTR's. Another given fact is that I need a good DSP for sure because of the long wall and probably not optimal placement of the JTR's.

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Wow.. It's just a mix bag with all I read about Emotiva. Some people with bad experience and some just rave about them. And then a faulty with the D-sonic? Bro.. I'm thinking you either having bad luck with amps you go through. And then again when I think about it.. with all that fire power you have in your cave.. You're not really the type to run amps hard on occasion only..haha!
Again, there is no excuses no matter how hard you drive them, it should hold its reliability for any givin length. Lol
lol, I've had around 20 different amps, the emotiva and the D-Sonic were the only ones that ever had problems. At least the D-Sonic was just a wire, the modules were easy to change myself, took 10 minutes from start to finish once we figured out what was wrong. It's been fine ever since (so about 3 years or so now)

On a funny side note, I had some of my in-laws in yesterday and my sister in law wanted to watch Edge Of Tomorrow on the system, so I cranked up the first part and just watched he jump out of her chair LOL. After watching it the second time, Other than the first part, the rest of the movie doesn't really have the best sound IMO. It's really hit and miss.

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Anyone interested in 3 x 2012 T12s ............. Excellent Condition

FS: 3 X 2012 JTR Triple 12

Price includes Paypal fee although I do accept Cash for a 3% discount

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countryWV, what are you getting to replace those T12s?

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Just got umike 1 in the mail today! Time to start playing with REW

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Duh, I went to your sale link....looks like we will soon have the same speakers.
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Duh, I went to your sale link....looks like we will soon have the same speakers.
I already ordered a pair of 212HTs. Center will follow after I sell my T12s.
This picture was more than I could resist.


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Anyone interested in 3 x 2012 T12s ............. If anyone needs a reference to how good and loud these speakers sound just ask my neighbors.

FS: 3 X 2012 JTR Triple 12

Price includes Paypal fee although I do accept Cash for a 3% discount
That is a good deal for your T12's Chris. After all of my "upgrading", the original T12's, JTR surrounds and subs made for a fantastic HT audio setup and if I were a "normal" person, I would still be enjoying them today.

Going for that last 5% (pick a number) is an obsession shared by a lot of us afflicted with Audio/Video disease. Perhaps we should be thinking about a "group buy" for psychotherapy services rather than for speakers and AV gear. In any case, enjoy the new speakers and the nice improvement in SQ that comes with each upgrade.

P.S. Glad to see you hanging in there with the Submersives. I know MANY here don't agree, but a pair of those is all anyone needs to achieve great bass for music and even HT.
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I already ordered a pair of 212HTs. Center will follow after I sell my T12s.
This picture was more than I could resist.


Nice WV.. Yea those pictures that Jeff put up makes them look tempting.. I guess you fell into the temptation hah! Don't tell me.. It was the wooden horn that did it? I couldn't agree more though. Besides the new specs those wooden horns just makes them look aggressive.. Lol! Nice!
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Wauw, you have an awesome room and I love the photo with your dog and three 215's.

Thanks for the feedback. It's much appreciated and gives me a good idea what to expect. Also very nice to hear about that phantom center.

Were you only using the left and right front speakers in the setup I saw on the picture? If so I'm getting much more confident that it will be ok for me as well.

The room you have is from a base point of view a little better to start with. Next to your left you have some wall and then it opens up I think? In my coming situation it's open all the way for the right front and that's giving me a little headache.

Did you need to do a lot of treatment or/and DSP to the room when you installed the 215's Rob?
Again, a pair of 215's produce a huge soundstage. When we watched the Joe Bonamassa Live in Vienna Bluray the other night with friends, I didn't check the audio on startup and it defaulted (like many concert blurays) to PCM Stereo. I was sitting in the worst seat (back left) for sound in the HT and it sounded great from that seat. I knew something was off as the surrounds were silent (especially noticeable with crowd noise and applause) but it sounded so good I let it play on. That seat is on a direct line with the front left 215 and there was still a good stereo image even from there. The DTS MA 5.1 audio track is the best way to listen to that concert disk but it sounded great in stereo even off axis where I was sitting. The 215's throw the biggest (bestus ) soundstage of any speaker I have heard in my room.

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That's the link I was talking about with staaled when I said I saw some examples of premium finishes. I like the walnut most but didn't show this yet to my wife.

I did show her Rob's picture with the basketbal because she asked me why I had to laugh. She looked very strange to me when I showed her the picture

She did ask me if it was possible to have one big grill that would also cover the horn. I said I don't know. Maybe you know if this will destroy the performance of the horn or not. The reason why she asked is because with the Klipsch the horns are also covered by the grill.
I think you are talking about Sheldon's (carp) b-ball pic with his 215RT's. My HT photos don't include me but as you noted above do include my dog Ajax. He is better looking than carp but doesn't play basketball worth a damn (good D but can't score)
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Again, a pair of 215's produce a huge soundstage. When we watched the Joe Bonamassa Live in Vienna Bluray the other night with friends, I didn't check the audio on startup and it defaulted (like many concert blurays) to PCM Stereo. I was sitting in the worst seat (back left) for sound in the HT and it sounded great from that seat. I knew something was off as the surrounds were silent (especially noticeable with crowd noise and applause) but it sounded so good I let it play on. That seat is on a direct line with the front left 215 and there was still a good stereo image even from there. The DTS MA 5.1 audio track is the best way to listen to that concert disk but it sounded great in stereo even off axis where I was sitting. The 215's throw the biggest (bestus ) soundstage of any speaker I have heard in my room.
This story gives me more confidence that I'm making the right decision. I'm still a little afraid for the long wall and one of the 215's in the middle of it but so be it.


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I think you are talking about Sheldon's (carp) b-ball pic with his 215RT's. My HT photos don't include me but as you noted above do include my dog Ajax. He is better looking than carp but doesn't play basketball worth a damn (good D but can't score)
LOL, I understand that Ajax can't do that. I tell you why, Ajax is my soccer team in Holland. They come from Amsterdam and are named after this Greek God
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carp and RMK! like this.

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post #26848 of 30560 Old 12-27-2014, 01:35 PM
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Yup.. Your gonna love those.. I have all EQ disabled to my Slanteds too. They sound so much fuller without any processing done in the surrounds. Even if set to small.. Huge sound in such a small cabinet.. Have fun Nabs. Your system is one solid, complete setup..
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I do like that finish.
Yea.. I love that finish too. I took that shot at this past Axpona 2014. When I went to demo the 215's and other speakers.
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Hahaha. Those Slanted 8s look tiny next to that 215RM. And all four fit on top of it.
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