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Most would say actually that 1/6th resolution is about right for what our ears will actually hear. 1/12th can be for the perfectionist but if you start going after each and every little peak/dip, you are fighting an uphill battle for sure. I typically go for 1/6th resolution for full bandwidth sweeps and use no smoothing for the bass spectrum when working on it separately.
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So I've made the decision to go for a stereo set-up with two JTR 215 RT's. What I would like to know, will they create a phantom center? The distance between them will be 11 feet.

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So I've made the decision to go for a stereo set-up with two JTR 215 RT's. What I would like to know, will they create a phantom center? The distance between them will be 11 feet.
Yes. Have you heard them? If for a dedicated stereo setup, did you consider the RM version? I would think 'Reference Monitor' would be more suited for your application, although the RT are power houses?
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Yes. Have you heard them? If for a dedicated stereo setup, did you consider the RM version? I would think 'Reference Monitor' would be more suited for your application, although the RT are power houses?
That's great news. My set-up will be stereo but I also want the sound of the TV through the JTR's. That's why I asked about the phantom center.

I didn't hear them but in my search for full range speakers somebody told me about JTR. I live in Holland so I will have to go with the stories of the owners.

I looked at the RM's as well but they are not full range. I would probably need extra units like subs, center to get to the level of the towers?

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That's great news. My set-up will be stereo but I also want the sound of the TV through the JTR's. That's why I asked about the phantom center.

I didn't hear them but in my search for full range speakers somebody told me about JTR. I live in Holland so I will have to go with the stories of the owners.

I looked at the RM's as well but they are not full range. I would probably need extra units like subs, center to get to the level of the towers?

The RM's are rated down to 32hz, I would imagine in room the could easily play down below 30hz. Plus they really shouldn't need a HPF on them so you could probably throw some good clean power at them and get them to play full range for stereo us. Not very much music that plays below 30hz anyways.
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The RM's are rated down to 32hz, I would imagine in room the could easily play down below 30hz. Plus they really shouldn't need a HPF on them so you could probably throw some good clean power at them and get them to play full range for stereo us. Not very much music that plays below 30hz anyways.
Thanks, my wife will certainly love this answer but I do want the best stereo set-up. That's why I think / thought the full range tower is the best option. I really don't want more than two speakers, no matter what the size is.

Having said this, to get the best advice from owners of the JTR's it will probably help telling you what the set-up will be.

My setup will be the TV settopbox and a PS3. I will watch some movies and series on Netflix, watch a lot of tv and listen to some music, mostly radio stations. On occasion I will watch a music BluRay from a concert.

It will be very usefull for me to have a phantom center and I don't know if the RM can create it as good as the RM?

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So I've made the decision to go for a stereo set-up with two JTR 215 RT's. What I would like to know, will they create a phantom center? The distance between them will be 11 feet.
My 215's are 11 feet apart and think they do an awesome job of a phantom center. I use a center but thats because I had it custom made before I bought my 215s.
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Phantom centers generally work great from the center plane of a symmetric room.


You can also make them work from other locations with room correction and time alignment, but it's still limited to a vertical plane extending out between the speakers.
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My 215's are 11 feet apart and think they do an awesome job of a phantom center. I use a center but thats because I had it custom made before I bought my 215s.
Do you think the RM's will also create a phantom center and will these be a wiser choice for me?

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Phantom centers generally work great from the center plane of a symmetric room.


You can also make them work from other locations with room correction and time alignment, but it's still limited to a vertical plane extending out between the speakers.
That will be a challenge but I think and hope this will be ok.

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Do you think the RM's will also create a phantom center and will these be a wiser choice for me?
I really like the RMs and I'd expect them to give the same staging and phantom center as the RTs. If you're going to have an awesome sub system anyway, the RMs are a great choice.
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I really like the RMs and I'd expect them to give the same staging and phantom center as the RTs. If you're going to have an awesome sub system anyway, the RMs are a great choice.
I don't know what you mean with a sub system but I will only have one pair of speakers and no seperate subs.

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I don't know what you mean with a sub system but I will only have one pair of speakers and no seperate subs.
The RMs need subs so if you won't have separate subs, the RMs aren't an option and the RT is the only speaker to go with in the JTR line.
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The RMs need subs so if you won't have separate subs, the RMs aren't an option and the RT is the only speaker to go with in the JTR line.
Clear answer, thanks but what about jbrown15's answer?

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The RMs need subs so if you won't have separate subs, the RMs aren't an option and the RT is the only speaker to go with in the JTR line.
Daveys is saying he only plans to use them for music, you don't think the RM's could play down below 30hz in room? For music he's not really going to need them do go down to 18hz like the RT's.
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Clear answer, thanks but what about jbrown15's answer?
I would think that the RM's could play down to 30hz which is fine for music IMO but I would still be a little hesitant because of where you're located. It's not like you could easily return them and go with the RT's.
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It depends on the style of music. I don't often play music that goes below 30hz but I do it enough to not want to do without it. Does the RM really go to 30hz with authority?
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It depends on the style of music. I don't often play music that goes below 30hz but I do it enough to not want to do without it. Does the RM really go to 30hz with authority?
I wasn't trying for depth when I DSPd Coach's 215RM, more flat with a midbass boost. Looking at the Pre-DSP, if you throw some power at the situation along with a Linkwitz-transform on the sealed woofers, you might be able to get strong 30Hz output.

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Yeah, I could see that. Still though, he'd be covered and then some with the RT's.


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Yeah, I could see that. Still though, he'd be covered and then some with the RT's.
Yep, the RMs might keep him happy, the RTs definitely would, at least in terms of bass. I'm assuming he's heard the 215s and likes the sonic signature. I only say that because I preferred the sound of the aluminum horn 212s over the 215s. Asoofi1 and Coach have the same preference of the 212 over the 215. And others like the 215 over the 212. So if someone hasn't heard them, I'd strongly recommend listening to them first as moving 215RTs isn't any fun.
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Yep, the RMs might keep him happy, the RTs definitely would, at least in terms of bass. I'm assuming he's heard the 215s and likes the sonic signature. I only say that because I preferred the sound of the aluminum horn 212s over the 215s. Asoofi1 and Coach have the same preference of the 212 over the 215. And others like the 215 over the 212. So if someone hasn't heard them, I'd strongly recommend listening to them first as moving 215RTs isn't any fun.
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Daveys is saying he only plans to use them for music, you don't think the RM's could play down below 30hz in room? For music he's not really going to need them do go down to 18hz like the RT's.
It's not only music

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Thanks, my wife will certainly love this answer but I do want the best stereo set-up. That's why I think / thought the full range tower is the best option. I really don't want more than two speakers, no matter what the size is.

Having said this, to get the best advice from owners of the JTR's it will probably help telling you what the set-up will be.

My setup will be the TV settopbox and a PS3. I will watch some movies and series on Netflix, watch a lot of tv and listen to some music, mostly radio stations. On occasion I will watch a music BluRay from a concert.

It will be very usefull for me to have a phantom center and I don't know if the RM can create it as good as the RM?

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Yep, the RMs might keep him happy, the RTs definitely would, at least in terms of bass. I'm assuming he's heard the 215s and likes the sonic signature. I only say that because I preferred the sound of the aluminum horn 212s over the 215s. Asoofi1 and Coach have the same preference of the 212 over the 215. And others like the 215 over the 212. So if someone hasn't heard them, I'd strongly recommend listening to them first as moving 215RTs isn't any fun.
This is the exactly the point. I won't be able to listen to them first. So why is this crazy Dutchman going for JTR? I fell in love with the looks of JTR, I read a lot of positive stories, I love SPL, I love horns, I love a good and solid bas, I want only two speakers for everything. All these things keep pushing me to the JTR's

The RM's might do the job and the RT's will definitely do the job? When this is the case I don't see the need to make a decision
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I don't often play music that goes below 30hz but I do it enough to not want to do without it.
This is a very solid point for me, thanks!

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This is the exactly the point. I won't be able to listen to them first. So why is this crazy Dutchman going for JTR? I fell in love with the looks of JTR, I read a lot of positive stories, I love SPL, I love horns, I love a good and solid bas, I want only two speakers for everything. All these things keep pushing me to the JTR's

The RM's might do the job and the RT's will definitely do the job? When this is the case I don't see the need to make a decision

Make sure you have a way to tweak the bass to your liking. One of the minidsp's would be a great choice.
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I wasn't trying for depth when I DSPd Coach's 215RM, more flat with a midbass boost. Looking at the Pre-DSP, if you throw some power at the situation along with a Linkwitz-transform on the sealed woofers, you might be able to get strong 30Hz output.


Yep after seeing that graph I would take back what I said!....LOL
Go with the 215RT!


Man both look like they fall off of a cliff at 60hz though don't they?


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I know I know rhed, I need to show it in 5dB increments!....LOL
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Make sure you have a way to tweak the bass to your liking. One of the minidsp's would be a great choice.
Also a very valid point and I'm still looking which way I want to go.

Will Audyssey XT32 be able to do such a big job or am I going for the Anti-Mode DC or something in that range.

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Yep after seeing that graph I would take back what I said!....LOL
Go with the 215RT!
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So now DTS:X SURROUND is being announced for the home market at CES. I know technology changes but with 4K (HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0) and the competing new sound formats (Atmos, Auro, DTS:X), it is tricky time to buy new electronics. I was considering the Marantz 8802 that is coming out or the new Denon 7200 but no idea if they will be upgreadable to DTS:X. Might wait a little while and see how everything shakes out and just hang on to my 8801 for a while longer. Almost no Atmos or Auro disks are available for sale and wonder if any of the formats will even take off or if the DTS:x speaker configurations will line-up with Atmos or Auro (because they don't align with each other) or if it will be yet another "recommended speaker layout".


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So now DTS:X SURROUND is being announced for the home market at CES. I know technology changes but with 4K (HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0) and the competing new sound formats (Atmos, Auro, DTS:X), it is tricky time to buy new electronics. I was considering the Marantz 8802 that is coming out or the new Denon 7200 but no idea if they will be upgreadable to DTS:X. Might wait a little while and see how everything shakes out and just hang on to my 8801 for a while longer. Almost no Atmos or Auro disks are available for sale and wonder if any of the formats will even take off or if the speaker configurations will line-up with Atmos or Auro (because they don't align with each other) or if it will be yet another "recommended speaker layout".


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This is the exactly the point. I won't be able to listen to them first. So why is this crazy Dutchman going for JTR? I fell in love with the looks of JTR, I read a lot of positive stories, I love SPL, I love horns, I love a good and solid bas, I want only two speakers for everything. All these things keep pushing me to the JTR's

The RM's might do the job and the RT's will definitely do the job? When this is the case I don't see the need to make a decision
Then you are a good candidate for the 215RTs. If you haven't heard the 212s or 215s then you won't have any preconceived notions. Since you mentioned liking horns, the 215s will be great but they won't be as bright as the Klipsch, which to me is a good thing. I think you'll get used to them pretty quickly and love them...the 215RTs I mean.
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