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Rob, thanks for that offer...unfortunately the OS is too big for my room....it was my first choice. I'm now thinking of a couple of S1's up front (the 215's take up too much space to even accommodate S2's). So do all the JTR sub's use the Powercon connector?
Ask Jeff if he can offer a Master / Slave option with the S1. Single units use the SP1-2400 wpc amp while the S2 has the SP1-4000 wpc. He may be able to run 2 x S1 off one SP1-4000 wpc amp.

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Ask Jeff if he can offer a Master / Slave option with the S1. Single units use the SP1-2400 wpc amp while the S2 has the SP1-4000 wpc. He may able to run 2 x S1 off one SP1-4000 wpc amp.
Interesting idea...didn't know Jeff had that option. I was considering 2 independent S1's up front...then later adding 1 or 2 more in the back of the room....or maybe 2 S1's up front and an S2 in the back.

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Interesting idea...didn't know Jeff had that option. I was considering 2 independent S1's up front...then later adding 1 or 2 more in the back of the room....or maybe 2 S1's up front and an S2 in the back.
It would seem like he could but have not read where its an available option yet. If he does it should save about 1k per pair.

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Is it possible to get the 215 RT with a built in amplifier?
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Is it possible to get the 215 RT with a built in amplifier?
I'm sure anything is possible for the right amount of money
Jeff uses SpeakerPower amps, the same brand of amps that Seaton uses in his powered Cat12 speakers. So Jeff is able to buy the same amps also.


That's actually a very interesting idea when you think about it, you could get optimal amp power to power the 215RT's to their full potential right from JTR. That would be a hell of an option when you consider how many guys have bought amps specifically to power the 215RT's that they bought to get the most out of them.
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I'm sure anything is possible for the right amount of money
Jeff uses SpeakerPower amps, the same brand of amps that Seaton uses in his powered Cat12 speakers. So Jeff is able to buy the same amps also.


That's actually a very interesting idea when you think about it, you could get optimal amp power to power the 215RT's to their full potential right from JTR. That would be a hell of an option when you consider how many guys have bought amps specifically to power the 215RT's that they bought to get the most out of them.
Anything is possible but as a lot of folks probably know, Mark (Seaton) and Jeff (JTR) are previous co-workers and friends. I thought I had read, or at least under the assumption, that they try not to play in each others space too much. Seaton does the powered speakers "thang" with DSP applied and Jeff plays in the standalone speaker market.
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I'm sure anything is possible for the right amount of money
Jeff uses SpeakerPower amps, the same brand of amps that Seaton uses in his powered Cat12 speakers. So Jeff is able to buy the same amps also.
When the price will be incredible it would be a shame.

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That's actually a very interesting idea when you think about it, you could get optimal amp power to power the 215RT's to their full potential right from JTR. That would be a hell of an option when you consider how many guys have bought amps specifically to power the 215RT's that they bought to get the most out of them.
That's exactly what I was thinking
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Interesting idea...didn't know Jeff had that option. I was considering 2 independent S1's up front...then later adding 1 or 2 more in the back of the room....or maybe 2 S1's up front and an S2 in the back.
Here's an option for you too.
http://reaction-audio.myshopify.com/products/ps-18x
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Anything is possible but as a lot of folks probably know, Mark (Seaton) and Jeff (JTR) are previous co-workers and friends. I thought I had read, or at least under the assumption, that they try not to play in each others space too much. Seaton does the powered speakers "thang" with DSP applied and Jeff plays in the standalone speaker market.
true but they are totally different animals, and it's really no different then both offering powered subs. Mark's about to release his SubM F2 XL which will be the exact same design as a Cap S2.
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Anything is possible but as a lot of folks probably know, Mark (Seaton) and Jeff (JTR) are previous co-workers and friends. I thought I had read, or at least under the assumption, that they try not to play in each others space too much. Seaton does the powered speakers "thang" with DSP applied and Jeff plays in the standalone speaker market.
This seems to be the unspoken rule/agreement.

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true but they are totally different animals, and it's really no different then both offering powered subs. Mark's about to release his SubM F2 XL which will be the exact same design as a Cap S2.
I saw the DO 18" SubM XL but not the F2 yet. I will bet that Marks not releasing these XL versions as contenders but S2 Conquerors. Of coarse it will cost $$$$$???
I wonder what the Cap "XL" or "el Hefe" will look like?

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I saw the DO 18" SubM XL but not the F2 yet. I will bet that Marks not releasing these XL versions as contenders but S2 Conquerors. Of coarse it will cost $$$$$???
I wonder what the Cap "XL" or "el Hefe" will look like?

I have a pm from Mark saying that he has a XL version of the SubM F2 coming out this year with 18" drivers.


I don't really think Mark would have any issues if Jeff built a custom powered version of a 215RT for a customer, like I mentioned before the two speakers are totally different animals.
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Upgrading from M&K S150`s

Can I ask if anyone has changed their speakers from M&K to JTR ?

I have the original USA M&K S150`s for front LCR and would like to upgrade. I`ve only come across this brand but they look very impressive.

The size and weight of the 212 is a bit too much for me but I`m very interested in the Noesis 228HT and it`s performance in a dedicated theater.
My viewing is almost all movies so retaining the detail, clarity and dynamics of the S150`s is a must, but just improving on what they do.

Has anyone compared the M&K S150`s to the JTR`s or upgraded themselves, and has anyone here in the UK imported speakers from JTR and how do you rate them ?

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Anything is possible but as a lot of folks probably know, Mark (Seaton) and Jeff (JTR) are previous co-workers and friends. I thought I had read, or at least under the assumption, that they try not to play in each others space too much. Seaton does the powered speakers "thang" with DSP applied and Jeff plays in the standalone speaker market.
Yep, when talking to Mark, this is essentially the case. Where Mark focused more on cabinet build aesthetics, active, and HT, Jeff was more towards pro-audio/high efficiency/rugged at first and has since come out with some great HT offerings as well, but they still want to stay out of each other's sandbox....unless that sand is snow, and the box is a huge mountain out west. I'm still waiting on my invite to go riding with them some time...
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For all you jtr subwoofer owners/or submersive owners. Does the balanced minidsp put out enough voltage to power the speakerpower amps? Speakerpower could not tell me the voltage requirements to run the amp to its full capabilities.

I am sure alot of you have a minidsp in your chain. Just seeing how the minidsp has worked out for others with speakerpower amps. S2 owner here
At first it sounds strange that SpeakerPower doesn't know the voltage requirements. However, if done properly, any time you add DSP to the signal chain you are always lowering the outgoing voltage. Since SpeakerPower doesn't know what DSP is used in the JTR subwoofer amps, then they can't really give a proper answer. The sensitivity spec for all the SpeakerPower amps without DSP is +4 dBV (1.58 VRMS).

The miniDSP will also lower voltage if DSP is done properly within it. The outgoing voltage is dependent on the incoming voltage so knowing that the miniDSP works in someone else's system doesn't provide you with enough information to know that you will have enough output voltage in your system. The miniDSP can pass enough voltage to drive the SpeakerPower amps to maximum output.

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I've got a trio of AE TD-18's which are supposed to be shipped out in the next few weeks and I've been thinking I'll use minidsp's to get them integrated. I'm just not sure at this point if I should get two 2x4's and just create a full range speaker with active crossover, or get an 8x8 so I can do the same thing but also add in the LFE to the td-18s for a few extra sources. I've got 4 sealed UXL's currently and 2 more I need to build boxes for. Any suggestions?
I would just integrate the mains with the TD-18's and send the LFE to the UXL's. Adding the LFE to the TD-18's increases the excursion and can cause extra distortion in the main frequency range of the TD-18's. I recommend using a 20 Hz crossover from the TD-18's to the UXL's similar to what I did with dbeck's theater, The Savoy. Actually, for music the mains/TD-18's run fullrange and for movies there is a 20 Hz crossover to the JTR S2 subs.
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I saw the DO 18" SubM XL but not the F2 yet. I will bet that Marks not releasing these XL versions as contenders but S2 Conquerors. Of coarse it will cost $$$$$???
I wonder what the Cap "XL" or "el Hefe" will look like?
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Where can I see this at? Link?
It was a joke but a Hopeful one. When the SubM XL outperforms the Cap S2 I hope Jeff wont be able to let that be.

Enter the Cap S2 XL or El Hefe.

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No. I meant do you have a link to the pictures of the DO 18" SubM XL? Or is there no such thing?

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Is it possible to get the 215 RT with a built in amplifier?
Honestly the best deal going is to get the 215 RT's and run them with a INuke 6000 with DSP. Plenty of power and you can adjust the bass with the DSP software. Easy Pesey. I know one thing, I have got to get them fans out of my Inuke 6000. Driving me nuts!!
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No. I meant do you have a link to the pictures of the DO 18" SubM XL? Or is there no such thing?
Sorry about that man

No pictures yet but here is some info http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/po...332?&trail=240
"the dual opposed 18" SubMersive XL to be roughly 28" wide x 22" deep x 28" tall when the drivers are oriented on the left/right sides."

I believe mark has sent out some E-mail about this too.
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Gotcha, Thank you!
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I drove a Lamborghini a few days ago...suddenly my priorities have changed. Talk about nearfield effects. Such a lovely loud thunderous growl as you downshift from 5th to 3rd to take ownership of the coming corner. Those kinds of realistic engine revving sounds are so beautifully recreated by the shifters and the 212s when I watched the new Mad Max trailer...Takes me back to experiencing the Lambo and just enjoying the engines music. But I'm posting to ask in advance for forgiveness if I sell all of my JTR toys, the house, and a kidney for a Lamborghini. Only my friends on this thread can understand
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What Lambo? I hope it was an Aventador.

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I drove a Lamborghini a few days ago...suddenly my priorities have changed. Talk about nearfield effects. Such a lovely loud thunderous growl as you downshift from 5th to 3rd to take ownership of the coming corner. Those kinds of realistic engine revving sounds are so beautifully recreated by the shifters and the 212s when I watched the new Mad Max trailer...Takes me back to experiencing the Lambo and just enjoying the engines music. But I'm posting to ask in advance for forgiveness if I sell all of my JTR toys, the house, and a kidney for a Lamborghini. Only my friends on this thread can understand
My neighbor and his son have like 12 exotic cars, it is crazy. They always have something crazy out there. I know that sound you are talking about, they were running a convertible one day, it looked very cool.
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What Lambo? I hope it was an Aventador.
Gallardo...it was pretty amazing and looks even better in person. Aventador I'd get if I went homeless or hit the lotto. The Gallardo doesn't have 12 cylinders but it is highly satisfying and extremely addicting...didn't miss a thing...I've been youtubing lambos for a few days now like an obsessed teen. Instaed of music.... I'm playing lambo revving videos thru my setup. And here I had been set for a while on a Porsche 911...
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My neighbor and his son have like 12 exotic cars, it is crazy. They always have something crazy out there. I know that sound you are talking about, they were running a convertible one day, it looked very cool.
Isn't it an amazing sound? You should get a ride...sitting right by the air scoop and engine..the sound is like a drug.

Btw, I hope this is not the pesky neighbor. If it is...time to make friends!
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I plan on driving a Lamborghini sometime this year....there's an exotic car place in Disney about 45 minutes from me:


http://www.exoticdriving.com/


Plan on driving a Ferrari as well but my heart is set on the Lambo.

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Sorry about that man

No pictures yet but here is some info http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/po...332?&trail=240
"the dual opposed 18" SubMersive XL to be roughly 28" wide x 22" deep x 28" tall when the drivers are oriented on the left/right sides."

I believe mark has sent out some E-mail about this too.
You can send an e-mail to Mark to get added to the notification list when this become available for ordering. I am officially on that list.
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I plan on driving a Lamborghini sometime this year....there's an exotic car place in Disney about 45 minutes from me:

http://www.exoticdriving.com/

Plan on driving a Ferrari as well but my heart is set on the Lambo.
Do it...but those 6 laps will go quick

Fortunately, the Gallardo belongs to a friend and we finally got time to catch up a year after he got it.

Funny story...this same friend came over a few months ago and I gave him a sound demo, with WOTW being one...
His response afterwards was, "That sounds amazing, but isn't it overkill for home speakers."
I grinned and replied with a wink, "Some would say buying a Lamborghini just to drive is overkill."
He understood and laughed.
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^^^ Nice comeback! I just accept that all people are different and if somebody wants to collect pink ponies....well....it is really stupid to me but not to them.

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