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JTR = Just talk randomly ... ok then ...

I just finished putting up the OSB in my basement construction theater zone and saw the free shipping on the HT18s.
Then, I just now realized that your SH50's are on top of DO HT18s (and the 50s are technically under them as well).
I knew I liked you!

I may have to steal that idea for my 50's!
YES. 4 SI's per side. The drivers are measured to be as close to 1/4 points vertically, the inside drivers are at 1/4 points of the horizontally, so the design is basically perfect from a placement standpoint for room modes. Its like a 215 on crack if I were to set it up as a full range tower (been considering it).
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YES. 4 SI's per side. The drivers are measured to be as close to 1/4 points vertically, the inside drivers are at 1/4 points of the horizontally, so the design is basically perfect from a placement standpoint for room modes. Its like a 215 on crack if I were to set it up as a full range tower (been considering it).
I wasn't blown away by the SH50s but Beast's system is absolutely phenomenal.
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Is it weird that I as just on the Audi R8 forum and they were talking about the new CD and wooden horn in the 212?




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I wasn't blown away by the SH50s but Beast's system is absolutely phenomenal.
I'm not exactly sure how to take this comment....uh....thanks?
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I'm not exactly sure how to take this comment....uh....thanks?
Translation: "My speakers can beat up your speakers."

Dude...Dave wants to fight you after school!
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Translation: "My speakers can beat up your speakers."

Dude...Dave wants to fight you after school!
Dave ain't got no mid-bass...thats not a fair fight!!!!!!!
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Dave ain't got no mid-bass...thats not a fair fight!!!!!!!
Don't worry...he's gonna drill some holes in those suckers.
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ROFL!!!!!

Well if Beast would give me my midbasses then my speakers might have a chance.

I was simply saying that Beast's home theater is the best I've heard. Specific to the SH50, I found them to have rolled off highs and midbass that wasn't super tight. Now if someone gave me a pair AND I had a room to fit them, I'd definitely keep them. They are a very nice speaker but I haven't heard a perfect speaker yet.
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Well, I got a SERIOUS case of upgraditis, so in the past year this happened... (Look at next post, for some reason it didn't take the pictures in this post)

Essentially I flipped the room's layout 180, put the Panny 65VT60 tv and center JTR 228HT speaker on the center console area among the built in cabinets, and added the following:

-Sony HW40es Projector
-Seymour AV Retractable-Electric H120 (137.7 inch diagonal) Center Stage AT screen
-4x Reaction Audio CX-8s for side and rear surrounds
-A 3rd Black Oak Seaton HP Submersive (Slave)

I'm very happy with the upgrades, and the projector/screen/surrounds really brings the movie watching experience to a whole new level of theater bliss!

Guests are always quick to remark (at first) that the 65" Panny wasn't exactly a small picture to begin with, but after seeing a movie on the Seymour screen they agree wholeheartedly it makes a huge difference... I've been extremely impressed with the Sony 40es projector in general, but am slightly disappointed in black levels and focus uniformity. The 40es is known for it's very good picture out of the box and I don't disagree... just wish it were a tad better. It's possible some adjustments will fix this, but at the same time I realize it's always going to be a bit lacking coming from the well-known inky blacks of the Panny 65VT60...

The room doesn't have complete light control as there's two skylights, so during a bright day the Panny is the way to go. I'm ok with this as I think the picture is watchable with the window curtains closed even with the ambient light from the skylights. I also see this as an incentive to keep movie nights as a special treat. Oh, and of course it really helps to have the screen retractable to keep the room multi-purpose and WAF high!

The Reaction Audio CX-8s were a bit of a gamble at first with very few listening impressions out, very long lead-time along with it being a relatively new company when I ordered them back in October, but I am very pleased I decided to risk it. The CX-8s are a big step up in surrounds as they can keep up with the JTR speakers and Seaton subs. I've been really enjoying them and think they are a great option for those wanting the S8s but just can't afford or justify the cost. (About 2x the cost of the CX-8s) I need more listening time to evaluate them more specifically for music- I've definitely liked what I've heard so far, but for movies it's easy to say they really kick ass.

The third Seaton SubMersive wasn't really necessary as the first two had output in spades, but in the spirit of overkill I went ahead with it. The main reasons I got it were to even out the bass for more viewing positions and have it somewhat nearfield to feel impact even more. Adding a slave is obviously significantly cheaper than a full on HP+ Master so it eased the financial beating a bit. I know many would argue I could DIY a sub with more capability for less money, but I know it would never match the impeccable finish and quality of the Seatons.

A little while ago I briefly considered replacing my front stage, mostly with the idea of going to Noesis 210RT, 215RM, "new" 212HTs or taking a chance with other brands but I came to my senses and talked myself down from the edge of that cliff. I really enjoy the 228HTs and determined for now there's no way I can justify spending more to get what I'd likely perceive to be a small improvement for stereo music listening or risk decreasing audio quality and fit (The Black Oak really looks great matching the Seaton subs) to save some money selling them off to buy a less expensive alternative.

Anyways, I know I had said last year the next step was room treatments, and I still plan on getting to that. For WAF reasons and also my general lack of experience with room treatments, it was just easier to push that down the road...


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Finally joining the club...


Front stage= 3x Black Oak JTR 228HT, 2x Black Oak 4000w Seaton HP+ Submersive, Panasonic TCP65VT60 65" Black 1080P 3D Plasma HDTV (BTW, this tv's black levels are ridiculous.. cnet says better than KURO)


Really happy with the Black Oak veneer on the 228HTs, it matches the Black Oak on the Seaton Submersives very well...


The 228HT sitting on top of the HP+ SubM brings the horn to right about optimal height, right around ear level at the MLP.


Not bad for one of my first REW measurements...


Audyssey MultiEQ XT32 working it's magic on the Denon 4311ci


I'm loving this set up in my 24' by 17' Family Room... first movie I watched that I could really crank the volume was Man of Steel... AWESOME.

I've blown my A/V budget for quite a while now, but at some point I'd like to get 4 slanted 8s to handle surround, or perhaps JBL 8340a's to save on some dough...

For now, I have my Arx A1bs handling surround rear and Arx A5s covering surround side duty. It's a big injustice to have my beloved Arx A5s doing just surround duty, so I eventually want to move them to another room for dedicated music listening or perhaps my living room for a more casual home theater.


I rarely post, but have been fortunate enough to attend two of Andrew's epic NE GTGs and enjoy reading up on some AVS threads (Mostly this one, bc it's the best when I have time. I'll happily take any advice you guys can give me based on my REW graphs. Can't spend any more $$ now, but I can start at least brainstorming for next steps... pretty sure I will do some room treatments before I pull the trigger on surrounds.
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Not sure what happened to the pictures of the new layout. I'll try posting them again here. (See previous post for pictures of previous layout and overall system impressions and thoughts of the new layout)
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Nice looking room man!

Blasting brown notes for 10 years and counting!

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Not sure what happened to the pictures of the new layout. I'll try posting them again here. (See previous post for pictures of previous layout and overall system impressions and thoughts of the new layout)
Turned out great Ryan. Love the vibe and decor of your room. I am in Boston quite a bit on business...might have to stop by some time
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Gorgeous room Ryan! That white definitely wouldn't work in my household though as my twins would have it looking like urban camouflage.
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Great looking room, really love the huge screen.

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After weeks of trying, I finally caught up to this dang steam locomotive of a thread! Seems that every time I skip a day or two, you guys go on a bender and post 200 something posts!

Though, I suppose it's not as bad as the klipsh thread which does like 100 a day.
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Not sure what happened to the pictures of the new layout. I'll try posting them again here. (See previous post for pictures of previous layout and overall system impressions and thoughts of the new layout)
It looks really great Ryan

What's the white round thing between the 228 and the sub?
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After weeks of trying, I finally caught up to this dang steam locomotive of a thread! Seems that every time I skip a day or two, you guys go on a bender and post 200 something posts!

Though, I suppose it's not as bad as the klipsh thread which does like 100 a day.
yeah and less fatiguing too
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Turned out great Ryan. Love the vibe and decor of your room. I am in Boston quite a bit on business...might have to stop by some time
Thanks! I'd be happy to have you come by and I always keep my beer fridge well stocked

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Gorgeous room Ryan! That white definitely wouldn't work in my household though as my twins would have it looking like urban camouflage.
Haha, I have a one year old so I cleaned up the room for a while before taking the pictures. As for the white, I've accepted that it's not likely to stay completely white for long..

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It looks really great Ryan

What's the white round thing between the 228 and the sub?
Not sure how to describe them - perhaps decorative hand made seat pads? Anyways, I had initially put them so I could easily swivel the 228 while experimenting with toe-in angle and ended up just leaving them there to be extra careful not to scratch the veneer on either the 228 or the Submersive.
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Not sure how to describe them - perhaps decorative hand made seat pads? Anyways, I had initially put them so I could easily swivel the 228 while experimenting with toe-in angle and ended up just leaving them there to be extra careful not to scratch the veneer on either the 228 or the Submersive.
Thanks Ryan!

So it's not the skin of a wild animal that you shot in the mountains on Antartica because that gives the best performance between the two speakers
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Ryan. What part of Boston do you live in? I am in RI. Would live to hear some JTr's and reaction speakers!

You could come down and check out the psa's I have as well

Let me know
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At first it sounds strange that SpeakerPower doesn't know the voltage requirements. However, if done properly, any time you add DSP to the signal chain you are always lowering the outgoing voltage. Since SpeakerPower doesn't know what DSP is used in the JTR subwoofer amps, then they can't really give a proper answer. The sensitivity spec for all the SpeakerPower amps without DSP is +4 dBV (1.58 VRMS).

The miniDSP will also lower voltage if DSP is done properly within it. The outgoing voltage is dependent on the incoming voltage so knowing that the miniDSP works in someone else's system doesn't provide you with enough information to know that you will have enough output voltage in your system. The miniDSP can pass enough voltage to drive the SpeakerPower amps to maximum output.
This is correct. There are many links in the chain, so I can't say that all systems everywhere won't be gain limited. The sensitivity of the SpeakerPower amps can be changed by the DSP configuration loaded into it. I can say that all my home theater OEM customers are aware of the output limitations of the popular minidsp and have taken care to adjust their sensitivity accordingly.
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Thanks Ryan!

So it's not the skin of a wild animal that you shot in the mountains on Antartica because that gives the best performance between the two speakers
Ok, now that you say it, that sounds about right. Way better description than I gave anyways .

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Ryan. What part of Boston do you live in? I am in RI. Would live to hear some JTr's and reaction speakers!

You could come down and check out the psa's I have as well

Let me know
PM'd you, that sounds great!
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whats the deal with posting pics? everything says the file is to large. tried to compress but still to large

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i was showing the ol lady pics of your room and she wants to know what kind of plant you have in there? looks like a small tree...

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whats the deal with posting pics? everything says the file is to large. tried to compress but still to large
Easiest way is to use a photo hosting site and link the images. I use Photobucket but there are many others ...

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I take it back..TONIGHT is the best my JTRs have EVAR sounded.. GO BUCKS!!!!

National champs with 4 turnovers and 3rd string QB.. Way to go Urban..some coaching job!!!!!
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National champs with 4 turnovers and 3rd string QB.. Way to go Urban..some coaching job!!!!!
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