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Old 02-06-2015, 09:52 AM
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thanks best. well i didn't buy this receiver for the audyssey and with my situation i really didn't expect it to EQ my subs to my liking. i mean 3 subs and only 2 the same. anyway i think its time for me to get some kind of external EQ and learn either REW or buy the calibrated omni mic.

one thing ill say that i didn't expect right off the bat is that my picture i noticeable more clear and detailed. i wonder if the 4k upscaler is more advanced in this. even the colors are better.

im loving the sound everywhere except the LFE and 7 channels is more of an improvement then i ever thought it could be. very immersive.

also if i turn audyssey off do i have to re calibrate the speakers to 75db and will the actual levels change? i ask because when i go to the audyssey screen it tells me all my initial calibration setting but when i just go to speaker setting and tweak things it always stays the same (so the initial ausyssey and current audio settings are different) does that make sense?

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Amen to that brother. The Triple 12's are great speakers and I for one was sad to see them go. The Triple 12's and a good subwoofer system gives you all anyone needs except the most needy amongst us. The grass is always greener.

People who post about big differences ("significant upgrade") with these high efficiency/output designs have an agenda or, are delusional ...

I know I have a dissenting opinion on this BUT I never heard the 12's, just the 888's. I thought the difference when it came to music was worth every penny between the 888's and the 212's. It wasn't that I didn't like the 888's but I wouldn't constantly feel the urge to listen to 2 channel music with them either. Maybe I would have thought the same if it was the 888's vs the triple 12's?
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Just remember the internal test tone on the unit is a PRE audyssey test tone, so using it to calibrate to 75dB if planning to keep audyssey engaged will likely not be accurate if there is significant correction done. You would need an external disc to do accurate spl readings with a post-audyssey tone.

Not sure what you are getting at with the second part. Audyssey stores its distance and level values in the speaker setup menu, so tweaking those will alter the audyssey results. Not a problem really, I do it after every time I run audyssey to get my crossovers right and such.
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I know I have a dissenting opinion on this BUT I never heard the 12's, just the 888's. I thought the difference when it came to music was worth every penny between the 888's and the 212's. It wasn't that I didn't like the 888's but I wouldn't constantly feel the urge to listen to 2 channel music with them either. Maybe I would have thought the same if it was the 888's vs the triple 12's?
T8 and 212 are completely different speakers while the T12 and 212 share the same cabinet and 2 x 12" woofers. They are identical from 400hz down so that has a lot do with why they sound so similar.

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okay just for the heck of it i completely disables audyssey for now. the speakers sound great still without the EQ and just manually EQed the the subs with test tones from another source and spl meter.

then i went back and just played the test tones on the receiver and everything is set at 75 and subs 85.

now do i have to go back and re do all my distances? or does that not go away when aud. is off?

sorry for all the questions.. its my first real receiver lol

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okay just for the heck of it i completely disables audyssey for now. the speakers sound great still without the EQ and just manually EQed the the subs with test tones from another source and spl meter.

then i went back and just played the test tones on the receiver and everything is set at 75 and subs 85.

now do i have to go back and re do all my distances? or does that not go away when aud. is off?

sorry for all the questions.. its my first real receiver lol
To properly use Audyssey as it's designed and intended, it needs multiple (8 minimum) points of measurements once you have placed your speakers and each time you move them. Then you can adjust bass hot to your taste.
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You mean to say you guys couldn't tell any audio difference between the Krell and the Crest? Will he bring he's Krell over to your place for the 215 demo? If so, I'd want to hear your impression on a high end amp vs a pro amp on the 215's.
Yup, they sounded identical as far as we could tell. He won't be bringing his Krells over, they are 100lbs each lol
I've already had 2 X Mac MC601s on the 215's. They are my brother in laws. They sounded the same as my D-Sonic. They are extremely nice amps but sooooo over priced IMO.

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To properly use Audyssey as it's designed and intended, it needs multiple (8 minimum) points of measurements once you have placed your speakers and each time you move them. Then you can adjust bass hot to your taste.
right i understand that. its not that i needed more bass just wasn't happy with how it was EQed (i solved the low bass problem from my earlier posts) it was EQed with a steady 15db slope form 80hz-20hz

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okay just for the heck of it i completely disables audyssey for now. the speakers sound great still without the EQ and just manually EQed the the subs with test tones from another source and spl meter.

then i went back and just played the test tones on the receiver and everything is set at 75 and subs 85.

now do i have to go back and re do all my distances? or does that not go away when aud. is off?

sorry for all the questions.. its my first real receiver lol
distances will remain intact. No worries there
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cool thanks beast!

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okay just for the heck of it i completely disables audyssey for now. the speakers sound great still without the EQ and just manually EQed the the subs with test tones from another source and spl meter.

then i went back and just played the test tones on the receiver and everything is set at 75 and subs 85.

now do i have to go back and re do all my distances? or does that not go away when aud. is off?

sorry for all the questions.. its my first real receiver lol
I use to use Audyssey for movies or bypass L/R until I got the 215's. Audyssey just hacks the bass off the 215's. Full range and Audyssey are a bad combination.
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I use to use Audyssey for movies or bypass L/R until I got the 215's. Audyssey just hacks the bass off the 215's. Full range and Audyssey are a bad combination.
ya I'm just gona leave it off for now and learn REW so i can do my eq myself. everything still sounds great and the subs are now EQed flat with my test tones and spl meter.

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If all you didn't like about audyssey was the bass level, simply just boost it. You might have to boost it specific to each input, but that works too... Most people boost the sub after EQ to get back to their happy place.
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I've found that my system sounds better when I EQ myself instead of the speakers. A sip here and a puff there produces much better results then tweaking the subwoofers.
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Who here has moved from Triple 12 to 212HT?
I'm aware of RMK! doing so. Anyone else?
Thoughts?

I'm not in the market - but this is a nice value and having heard the triple 12 before, I know these are worth the asking price. Unfortunately, I never heard the 212HT compared to the Triple 12 side by side.
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If all you didn't like about audyssey was the bass level, simply just boost it. You might have to boost it specific to each input, but that works too... Most people boost the sub after EQ to get back to their happy place.
well i got the level to 85db but after that i just didn't like how it EQed. its s steady slope/rolloff of 15dbs from 80hz to 20.

maybe it has more to do with how my inuke was set while calibrating. i did leave the butter worth 18 on and HPF. but i disabled all EQ

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also do i have to use all 8 points when running it? i used 6

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and what settings should i have my inuke on to start with before audyssey

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Who here has moved from Triple 12 to 212HT?
I'm aware of RMK! doing so. Anyone else?
Thoughts?

I'm not in the market - but this is a nice value and having heard the triple 12 before, I know these are worth the asking price. Unfortunately, I never heard the 212HT compared to the Triple 12 side by side.
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I know that Coach did as I bought his T12's when he moved to the 212's. He has told me (and I think posted here) that he couldn't tell a huge difference. I have 888's for side surrounds but listened to them in 2 channel for a bit and the 12's are better at everything. For the $$$ I paid I feel it's one of the biggest bargains I've scored on in this hobby.
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Chris from WV made that switch too - triple 12's to 212's.
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Chris from WV made that switch too - triple 12's to 212's.
I sold my surrounds so I will be getting another 212HT for center and use the T12s as surrounds till I figure out my next move.
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Who here has moved from Triple 12 to 212HT?
I'm aware of RMK! doing so. Anyone else?
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I'm not in the market - but this is a nice value and having heard the triple 12 before, I know these are worth the asking price. Unfortunately, I never heard the 212HT compared to the Triple 12 side by side.
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I cannot say that I understand the sale. He is selling the Triple12's to build the 1099's
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okay guys i made some headway.

first i level matched my subs. fv15hps as one and marty as the other.

then i took all PEQ off of the fvs and started with a completely clear amp for the marty.

after calibration i took measurements and got about the same thing.

i went to the inuke and set the HPF for 20 and butter worth 18. still the same so i started trying other ls6 buterworth 6,12,24, 48.
all of those gave me different frequency response at all different freqs. ultimalty i ended up with butterworth 48. I'm happy to say that i have some of the best response iv ever had. not perfect but really good.

Im now +/-6 from 90-15hz. actually 70db is my low point. 80 is my high. 84db at 80 and 78 at 70. if you take that 70hz out of the equation I'm +/-3.5 from 90-15.

THIS IS WHERE IT GETS WEIRD!!!

for some reason now when i EQ it has completely random effects. for instance the only way for me to boost 70hz 3 db was to take 7 away from 80hz... what the hell?!?! the other thing is that it had no effect on 80hz. FIRST TIME IV EVER SEEN THIS!

anyway if someone could explain whats going on that would be awesome. if i could do a lithe EQ i could have almost perfect response

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I went from the t12s to the 212s. I got the second set of 212s sent out. Nothing to drastic in terms of sq differences.

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also do i have to use all 8 points when running it? i used 6
You don't have to, but more is better.
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I cannot say that I understand the sale. He is selling the Triple12's to build the 1099's
Me either unless he is going for the money savings. Seems like a lateral move at best.
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Who here has moved from Triple 12 to 212HT?
I'm aware of RMK! doing so. Anyone else?
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I'm not in the market - but this is a nice value and having heard the triple 12 before, I know these are worth the asking price. Unfortunately, I never heard the 212HT compared to the Triple 12 side by side.
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The Triple 12's were my first set of JTR speakers and I also felt that the difference between them and the 212HT's were minimal at best. I am a 100% movie guy, so my opinion is based on that. Another thing about the T-12's that I had was the fact they didn't have the upgraded CD or XO in them. I agree with RMK and if you have a great subwoofer to pair with the T-12's, you will have a nice setup for movies...
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Possibly phase/distance settings.
okay gotcha and you seem to be right. last night i played with the phase. i flipped it to 180 and got more output and it again change the response a little.

until i learn REW or bu the omni mike I'm just bona leave the setting as they are.

i definalty lost some headroom in all this EQing to

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Me either unless he is going for the money savings. Seems like a lateral move at best.
I know one thing, the T12's are mint! Somebody is going to get a very nice set of speakers. It would be funny if a 1099 owner bought them.
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