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Yeah, I finally took my lazy a$$ over to your build thread and got my answer re the ceiling speakers. Good choice on those and I for one am pretty happy with both of the available upmixing formats (DSU and Auro-matic) as they both give the ceiling speakers a workout. DTS-X is the wildcard but I was more concerned about getting use out of the ceiling speakers now and worry about the object based and 3D audio formats down the road.

I will say that the Dolby Atmos Demo disk sounds incredible in my room and I was especially blown away with the Enrique Iglesias Music Video: Bailando. It was easily the best music surround sound I have heard to date. Getting the Auro 3D demo today and really looking forward to that as it is purported to be the better format for music. Bottom line for me is that these new SS formats take HT audio to another level and the future looks very promising if a little foggy.
I have a feeling the next amp iteration Onkyo comes up with will have the full Atmos specs. Amps aren't cheap, so I may just have to have a little patient

It's great to see that you're finally at a place where you have everything you built up to (or, evolved to),... but, knowing you, you'll likely be evolving again soon.. haha...

It's always good to see what new toys you'll be playing with next, although i think the JTR 215s will keep you happy for a long time to come.
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Thanks RMK... you know I have great sound, as you're the one who actually brought me to the JTR family...

If you look at the ceiling, at the cross beams, you'll notice that there are 'fabric' on the beams... those are 'false beams' which i created to place the Atmos speakers. I have 4 of them on the ceiling.... each with 2 sets of speaker cables (just in case). I made it so that where my speakers are placed aren't really noticeable.

Although I am not sure i'll invest in an Atmos AVR this year as the model Onkyo has is not 'true' atmos...
FYI, Emotiva just announced an XMR-1 processor, which is supposed to have Atmos, HDMI 2, Dirac, and 16 channels. No ETA, but I think I will wait on that for my next preamp.
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FYI, Emotiva just announced an XMR-1 processor, which is supposed to have Atmos, HDMI 2, Dirac, and 16 channels. No ETA, but I think I will wait on that for my next preamp.
16 channels!!! dang!!!

Anyways, I love the idea of running all my speakers off a single receiver (with amp built in). That's the best thing I love about these High Efficiency speakers.. i just don't need the extra amps and the simplicity it offers. I have had friends keep asking me what amps i am using and whenever i say, 'oh, well, just a receiver'.. they'll look disappointed.. haha

I guess I am not a huge 'gadget' kind of guy.. i like keeping it all simple and easy to use.

BTW: I just tested out my speakers with the Onkyo 718 (which is several steps down from the 3009 i was using), and I just can't tell the difference in sound / volume.. i can power all of the speakers to as loud as i want without distortion... so, i am thinking here, why in the world do i even need the higher end receivers when a cheap lower end would do EXACTLY the same trick. And I have also powered my 212s with the LAB 10,000 clone (2000 cleats watts each channel), and again, i don't feel like there's any difference... so, in the end, if i can't find a difference, why bother with the 'extra work'? or 'extra expense'?
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FYI, Emotiva just announced an XMR-1 processor, which is supposed to have Atmos, HDMI 2, Dirac, and 16 channels. No ETA, but I think I will wait on that for my next preamp.
considering how long it took them to come out with the latest processor, you might be far, far behind by the time this one comes around...
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I have a feeling the next amp iteration Onkyo comes up with will have the full Atmos specs. Amps aren't cheap, so I may just have to have a little patient

It's great to see that you're finally at a place where you have everything you built up to (or, evolved to),... but, knowing you, you'll likely be evolving again soon.. haha...

It's always good to see what new toys you'll be playing with next, although i think the JTR 215s will keep you happy for a long time to come.
Very nice of you to refer to my illness as "evolving" . You should think separates as separating out the amp section makes the upgrade process a little easier. Since I have had a lot of amps and am currently very happy with my bargain basement Behringer INUKE's, I have "evolved" to the belief that power can be cheap.

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FYI, Emotiva just announced an XMR-1 processor, which is supposed to have Atmos, HDMI 2, Dirac, and 16 channels. No ETA, but I think I will wait on that for my next preamp.
Yeah, sounds interesting and since I bought (and sold) the XMC-1, I have a 25% off coupon. That said, we might be waiting a very long time so in the meantime, I get to enjoy 5.1.4 audio via a variety of formats.
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considering how long it took them to come out with the latest processor, you might be far, far behind by the time this one comes around...
If JRiver comes out with Atmos support first, I may be tempted to get a Motu 24Ao and do everything from my PC. A processor would give me all the bells and whistles on console games, too, which would be nice.

And I'm sitting on a 40% off card.

As others have said, I have my old preamp while I wait. Hopefully, Emotive will move faster, now that their first one is out.
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16 channels!!! dang!!!

Anyways, I love the idea of running all my speakers off a single receiver (with amp built in). That's the best thing I love about these High Efficiency speakers.. i just don't need the extra amps and the simplicity it offers. I have had friends keep asking me what amps i am using and whenever i say, 'oh, well, just a receiver'.. they'll look disappointed.. haha

I guess I am not a huge 'gadget' kind of guy.. i like keeping it all simple and easy to use.

BTW: I just tested out my speakers with the Onkyo 718 (which is several steps down from the 3009 i was using), and I just can't tell the difference in sound / volume.. i can power all of the speakers to as loud as i want without distortion... so, i am thinking here, why in the world do i even need the higher end receivers when a cheap lower end would do EXACTLY the same trick. And I have also powered my 212s with the LAB 10,000 clone (2000 cleats watts each channel), and again, i don't feel like there's any difference... so, in the end, if i can't find a difference, why bother with the 'extra work'? or 'extra expense'?
Yeah, you would still need external amplification, but if you're not a power junkie, you could go with dense, lower power amplification. That's definitely a cost benefit of the receivers, although I guess I'm somewhat of a power junkie.
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considering how long it took them to come out with the latest processor, you might be far, far behind by the time this one comes around...
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receiver opinions

Current equipment:
3 x JTR triple 12
2 x JTR single 8
SVS PB12-NSD
a 10-year old Sony receiver

Soon to add:
2 x JTR slant 8

I'm considering the following:
Denon X5200W
Marantz SR7009
Marantz AV7702 with an Emotiva XPA-7

Usage is 60/40 movies/music. I originally was just going to get the Denon and leave it at that. Someone pointed me at Marantz so started researching, and then was intrigued with the idea of separates. Room size is roughly 30' x 14'.

Any advice is greatly appreciated. The reason I'm asking here and not in the Denon/Marantz threads is that I've already read all of those comparisons. I want to get some feedback from JTR owners. Thanks!
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Current equipment:
3 x JTR triple 12
2 x JTR single 8
SVS PB12-NSD
a 10-year old Sony receiver

Soon to add:
2 x JTR slant 8

I'm considering the following:
Denon X5200W
Marantz SR7009
Marantz AV7702 with an Emotiva XPA-7

Usage is 60/40 movies/music. I originally was just going to get the Denon and leave it at that. Someone pointed me at Marantz so started researching, and then was intrigued with the idea of separates. Room size is roughly 30' x 14'.

Any advice is greatly appreciated. The reason I'm asking here and not in the Denon/Marantz threads is that I've already read all of those comparisons. I want to get some feedback from JTR owners. Thanks!
That is a lot of speaker power to be paired with a PB12-NSD!!

I say go for a captivated 2400 instead of the additional surrounds. I have only reall noticed a difference between 5.1 and 7.1 movies on a few occasions.
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FYI, Emotiva just announced an XMR-1 processor, which is supposed to have Atmos, HDMI 2, Dirac, and 16 channels. No ETA, but I think I will wait on that for my next preamp.
This looks perfect on paper but as others have said , timing is likely somewhere between 2017 and never
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This looks perfect on paper but as others have said , timing is likely somewhere between 2017 and never
Pretty sure I heard a rumor (just told myself in the mirror) that the XMR-1 will only be released with 12 channels and you'll get a firmware update for the additional 4 channels sometime in the 8 months following release depending on how much groveling is done by owners. Oh, and the additional 4 channels will have a usage fee of $150 for the privilege to have Emotiva power in the house. No, I'm not bitter about being lied to about a planned firmware upgrade to my Sherbourn PT-7130...nope.
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Pretty sure I heard a rumor (just told myself in the mirror) that the XMR-1 will only be released with 12 channels and you'll get a firmware update for the additional 4 channels sometime in the 8 months following release depending on how much groveling is done by owners. Oh, and the additional 4 channels will have a usage fee of $150 for the privilege to have Emotiva power in the house. No, I'm not bitter about being lied to about a planned firmware upgrade to my Sherbourn PT-7130...nope.
Pretty sure Dan just had us banned for life from the Emotiva lounge and my 40% off coupon (*please note Emotiva reserves the right to alter or revoke the 40% off coupon at any time with no notice) was reduced to 39% off. Dang it!!!!!!!
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Current equipment:
3 x JTR triple 12
2 x JTR single 8
SVS PB12-NSD
a 10-year old Sony receiver

Soon to add:
2 x JTR slant 8

I'm considering the following:
Denon X5200W
Marantz SR7009
Marantz AV7702 with an Emotiva XPA-7

Usage is 60/40 movies/music. I originally was just going to get the Denon and leave it at that. Someone pointed me at Marantz so started researching, and then was intrigued with the idea of separates. Room size is roughly 30' x 14'.

Any advice is greatly appreciated. The reason I'm asking here and not in the Denon/Marantz threads is that I've already read all of those comparisons. I want to get some feedback from JTR owners. Thanks!
With those speakers, you won't need more power really than what an AVR already offers. With that said, I have the 7702 and run Dsonic 7 channel amp, as well as an outlaw amp on the atmos speakers now and I love both those amps for sure! Save yourself some money and check out the Outlaw B-stocks. The 7125 might just be the ticket, and is likely all you need for your setup...That is unless you listen at the back of the room at reference or something. The 7702 is a great piece for sure though

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Added the Bamboo Wall Lights. They provide a rustic, candle-lit ambient to the whole atmosphere. Each LED bulb is only 2 Watts, believe it or not... So, total power in the room, > 10,000 watts for Sound, and < 100 watts for lights.






CG....what surrounds do you have? I love to woodwork and it appears by looking at the picture you have it angled and I'm assuming that's where your surrounds are. Really love to woodwork.

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Very nice CoolGeek. Are you using single 8's? Also did you do Atmos speakers?
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I am about to setup an Elite Screens AT screen this week and have a few questions about placement of my 212HT's.

The area the screen will be in is about 112 inches wide from a wall on the right to a door on the left. I will have 2 of my 4 Power Sound Audio Triax's behind the screen also. Each Triax is about 31 inches wide. Accounting for the Triax's, I have about 50 inches for my speakers. The speakers being 16.5 inches leaves me with less than an inch left over. It seems I may have a hard time towing in my speakers. I had planned on building 21 inch stands to put the 212HT's CD at about 41 inches which is my ear height when sitting up straight on my couch. Another thought I had is to put all of the 212's above the Triax's which are 23 inches tall. This will put the CD about 2-3 inches above my ear height but I could toe in as much as I would like. Will this matter at all? I will be sitting at least 15 feet away from the front of the screen.


I had planned on having it setup as 212-Triax-212-Triax-212. I could push both Triax's together in the middle of the screen and have the center sitting on top. In this scenario the center channels CD would be around 43-44 inches high. I would then have enough room to put my 212's on 20 inch stands as planned and can toe in as much as I would like.


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I am about to setup an Elite Screens AT screen this week and have a few questions about placement of my 212HT's.

The area the screen will be in is about 112 inches wide from a wall on the right to a door on the left. I will have 2 of my 4 Power Sound Audio Triax's behind the screen also. Each Triax is about 31 inches wide. Accounting for the Triax's, I have about 50 inches for my speakers. The speakers being 16.5 inches leaves me with less than an inch left over. It seems I may have a hard time towing in my speakers. I had planned on building 21 inch stands to put the 212HT's CD at about 41 inches which is my ear height when sitting up straight on my couch. Another thought I had is to put all of the 212's above the Triax's which are 23 inches tall. This will put the CD about 2-3 inches above my ear height but I could toe in as much as I would like. Will this matter at all? I will be sitting at least 15 feet away from the front of the screen.


I had planned on having it setup as 212-Triax-212-Triax-212. I could push both Triax's together in the middle of the screen and have the center sitting on top. In this scenario the center channels CD would be around 43-44 inches high. I would then have enough room to put my 212's on 20 inch stands as planned and can toe in as much as I would like.


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Having the CD's a couple inches above ear height will not be a problem at all. I would opt to have all three speakers at the same exact height before I would worry about anything else. Putting the 212's on top of the triaxes and gives you a little more flexibility anyways. You may find that the response is better with the combo a little ways in from the side wall, or perhaps better right up against the side wall. Doing this configuration will allow the ability to experiment a little with what sounds best to you.

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That is a lot of speaker power to be paired with a PB12-NSD!!

I say go for a captivated 2400 instead of the additional surrounds. I have only reall noticed a difference between 5.1 and 7.1 movies on a few occasions.
Funny you mention that. I hadn't looked at the 2400, but was strongly considering starting with one S2 with the option of adding a 2nd if needed. I know my SVS sub is outmatched, but it still sounds pretty darn good

What's your opinion on the 2400 vs. S2? I thought most of the owners in this thread were running sealed subs.
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Depends on if you want extension below 20hz or so. With just a single s2, you still won't get it, but if you get a pair of s2's, it will be quite visceral. For half that or so, a pair of caps will get you the same output above tune, but you sacrifice the <20hz material. Arguments are valid on both sides really on whether or not this is important or not....

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Funny you mention that. I hadn't looked at the 2400, but was strongly considering starting with one S2 with the option of adding a 2nd if needed. I know my SVS sub is outmatched, but it still sounds pretty darn good

What's your opinion on the 2400 vs. S2? I thought most of the owners in this thread were running sealed subs.
If I were just starting out with getting high powered subs I would go DIY. But if you can afford 2 S2's that might be the best bet.
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Current equipment:

3 x JTR triple 12

2 x JTR single 8

SVS PB12-NSD

a 10-year old Sony receiver



Soon to add:

2 x JTR slant 8



I'm considering the following:

Denon X5200W

Marantz SR7009

Marantz AV7702 with an Emotiva XPA-7



Usage is 60/40 movies/music. I originally was just going to get the Denon and leave it at that. Someone pointed me at Marantz so started researching, and then was intrigued with the idea of separates. Room size is roughly 30' x 14'.



Any advice is greatly appreciated. The reason I'm asking here and not in the Denon/Marantz threads is that I've already read all of those comparisons. I want to get some feedback from JTR owners. Thanks!

If you're not running Atmos, then an avr like 7009 is all you need for your 7.1 setup.
If atmos 5.1.4, then everything can just run off the avr.
If you're going to 7.1.4 atmos then just add a 2 or 3 channel amp to the 7009 to run a pair or all of the front channels and the surrounds off the avr.
Avr by itself is all you need to go louder than you can stand with the Jayterz.

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Funny you mention that. I hadn't looked at the 2400, but was strongly considering starting with one S2 with the option of adding a 2nd if needed. I know my SVS sub is outmatched, but it still sounds pretty darn good

What's your opinion on the 2400 vs. S2? I thought most of the owners in this thread were running sealed subs.
From what jeff told me when I was deciding between the S2 and Cap 2400. The 2400 stays right with the s2 at or right around port tune. Anywhere else the S2 walks away. So, I grabbed the S2's. But, as you can see and jeff will tell you, you pay more per sub for that extra performance.

To each there own. You certainly can't go wrong with either. I have never once regretted my s2 purchase. I wanted to try some ULF experience and I am getting reference and then some down to 10hz, and maybe lower in my room
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Nice looking, and I'm sure they would sound great...Just 3x more than I want to spend unfortunately.

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From what jeff told me when I was deciding between the S2 and Cap 2400. The 2400 stays right with the s2 at or right around port tune. Anywhere else the S2 walks away. So, I grabbed the S2's. But, as you can see and jeff will tell you, you pay more per sub for that extra performance.

To each there own. You certainly can't go wrong with either. I have never once regretted my s2 purchase. I wanted to try some ULF experience and I am getting reference and then some down to 10hz, and maybe lower in my room
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CG....what surrounds do you have? I love to woodwork and it appears by looking at the picture you have it angled and I'm assuming that's where your surrounds are. Really love to woodwork.
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I have 4 Slanted 8s as surrounds. They are great sounding speakers and I wouldn't exchange them for anything. I bought them quite a while back when they are still pretty cheap.

And yes, the columns is where i have my surrounds.

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Very nice CoolGeek. Are you using single 8's? Also did you do Atmos speakers?
The 4 surrounds are Slanted 8s. I have prepared 4 compartments at the ceiling (in the cross beams, you can see 4 areas that are covered by fabric) to place my atmos speakers in. I bought the Volt-6s and once they arrive, i'll test those out. I am not in a hurry to add the atmos speakers though as i want to wait for a 'real atmos' receiver from Onkyo... which is likely end of this year...
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Thanks Nabs17,

I have 4 Slanted 8s as surrounds. They are great sounding speakers and I wouldn't exchange them for anything. I bought them quite a while back when they are still pretty cheap.

And yes, the columns is where i have my surrounds.



The 4 surrounds are Slanted 8s. I have prepared 4 compartments at the ceiling (in the cross beams, you can see 4 areas that are covered by fabric) to place my atmos speakers in. I bought the Volt-6s and once they arrive, i'll test those out. I am not in a hurry to add the atmos speakers though as i want to wait for a 'real atmos' receiver from Onkyo... which is likely end of this year...
It will be interested to hear your impressions of how the V6s and S8s compare.
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Cant wait to receive mine! 2 more weeks....tick tock...

You will be impressed. Big wow factor when unboxing. They look tough!! How many did you get?
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Does anyone know what material Jeff uses for the grills (plastic like material). I'd like to have a matching midbass module I'm building with 15" JBL midbass drivers. Thanks.
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It will be interested to hear your impressions of how the V6s and S8s compare.

I will let you know.. might be a while though as i still need to get them shipped off from the US and also build the boxes which could take some time.
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