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HDMI input is the missing link to HTPC as a pre-pro. The blackmagic card is a low latency solution compared to some other HDMI capture solutions.

This is all pretty new and is still being worked out.

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I am not a computer guy at all however I love the idea of the HTPC and is certainly on the back burner. I will talk with you in KC about it if we find some time.

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I've been using a htpc for over a decade now and still love it. I just use it as a cable box (ceton Infinitv 6) and a media streamer with XBMC and Media Browser. That being said, I know that there is still so much more that it can do. i have to look into J. River at some point and the thought of using it a s a pre/pro fascinates me.
XBMC wins for sexiest GUI, but JRiver blows it away for audio and video quality, library management, and flexibility. JRiver's Rapier Fusion theme is pretty good, anyway. After switching from XBMC to JRiver, no way I could live without the other JRiber stuff just for XBMC's GUI.
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I checked out jriver last night, but I couldn't find documentation for setup so I gave up and went back to mediaportal.

I did finally figure out how to add a selectable menu item for theater view. What I couldn't figure out though was how to assign specific files for specific views and how to provide parental lock for specific files.

I also finally got around to checking out the Dirac option from minidsp. I was disappointed to find out it will not bitstream. Anyone know of a Dirac solution that lets you bitstream?
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I checked out jriver last night, but I couldn't find documentation for setup so I gave up and went back to mediaportal.

I did finally figure out how to add a selectable menu item for theater view. What I couldn't figure out though was how to assign specific files for specific views and how to provide parental lock for specific files.

I also finally got around to checking out the Dirac option from minidsp. I was disappointed to find out it will not bitstream. Anyone know of a Dirac solution that lets you bitstream?
A Datasat or XMC-1 will accept bitstream.

Otherwise, just set the option in JRiver to convert bitstream to PCM. Like I said, JRiver is crazy flexible.

It takes a little bit to understand the basics of JRiver's library management, but once you get it, you realize that it's tons more efficient than XBMC if you have big library. It's worth the effort. It will save you tons of time in the long run.

Are you looking for this?
Right-click on a view, Customize view - Settings - Included files - Set rules for file display

I don't know if it does parental control stuff, though. I haven't tried that.

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I have a bit of a funny story. So, I've got a buddy with a set of 212's and a set of Totem Element Earth (very nice speakers)
So he's been looking for an amp, both speakers are in the same room, he uses the JTR's for HT and the Totems for 2 channel music. We were flipping through both of them last night and A/B'ing them a bit for fun as he just got a new bryston 4b amp and I brought over my Ncore modules to try out on the Totems and the 212's for fun.
After some messing around we gave his wife the control to switch the amp on the totems and 212's. I really couldn't hear much difference on either amp with either speaker but my friend Danny was going on and on about how different they were sounding etc. We did this for a hour or so. At the end it turned out that his wife was not switching the amps correctly and the Ncore was used the entire time, she was pretty much just shutting it off and on LOL I almost died laughing when we found out what was going on as Danny now looked pretty silly, even his kids were giving him a hard time (he's 49)

Keep in mind we were only listening at about 90dB at the loudest..... but it was pretty funny. I have to admit the totems were really good sounding, he just got them a month ago or so and was my first time having a listen. I could easily listen to them for music and be extremely happy. We didn't do any HT with them though.

Now, I don't usually hear much differences in amps anyways (if any) but once we did it correctly, the only real difference I could hear was the low end of the bryston had a 1dB measurable advantage under 30hz for some reason. I don't know why, they were identical over 30hz but we couldn't get them to be the same under that. Nice amp but a total waste of money IMO lol
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I have a bit of a funny story. So, I've got a buddy with a set of 212's and a set of Totem Element Earth (very nice speakers)
So he's been looking for an amp, both speakers are in the same room, he uses the JTR's for HT and the Totems for 2 channel music. We were flipping through both of them last night and A/B'ing them a bit for fun as he just got a new bryston 4b amp and I brought over my Ncore modules to try out on the Totems and the 212's for fun.
After some messing around we gave his wife the control to switch the amp on the totems and 212's. I really couldn't hear much difference on either amp with either speaker but my friend Danny was going on and on about how different they were sounding etc. We did this for a hour or so. At the end it turned out that his wife was not switching the amps correctly and the Ncore was used the entire time, she was pretty much just shutting it off and on LOL I almost died laughing when we found out what was going on as Danny now looked pretty silly, even his kids were giving him a hard time (he's 49)

Keep in mind we were only listening at about 90dB at the loudest..... but it was pretty funny. I have to admit the totems were really good sounding, he just got them a month ago or so and was my first time having a listen. I could easily listen to them for music and be extremely happy. We didn't do any HT with them though.

Now, I don't usually hear much differences in amps anyways (if any) but once we did it correctly, the only real difference I could hear was the low end of the bryston had a 1dB measurable advantage under 30hz for some reason. I don't know why, they were identical over 30hz but we couldn't get them to be the same under that. Nice amp but a total waste of money IMO lol
Thats great!! However sounds like a man after my own heart. I will eventually get my 2 channel speakers for music and Totem is in my top five.

On a similar note, I was watching a TV show years ago and I forget what it was, but it was a hidden video with people wine tasting and picking the best wine. The catch was it was all the same wine. They filled glasses A,B and C with the same bottle of wine. The so called "wine experts" all had a different opinion for each glass they tasted and the words the used to describe what they were tasting for each glass was so funny, not to mention the faces and mouth expressions to taste the wine. Nothing was better than when they told them it was all the same wine I wish I could find that video because I would love to see it again. Just goes to show how that most people have no idea what they are talking about LOL. Much like wine and speakers, you gotta taste it for yourself.
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XBMC wins for sexiest GUI, but JRiver blows it away for audio and video quality, library management, and flexibility. JRiver's Rapier Fusion theme is pretty good, anyway. After switching from XBMC to JRiver, no way I could live without the other JRiber stuff just for XBMC's GUI.
I'm going to check it out. have you tried using xbmc with media browser as the back end? its much better than plain xbmc.

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A Datasat or XMC-1 will accept bitstream.

Otherwise, just set the option in JRiver to convert bitstream to PCM. Like I said, JRiver is crazy flexible.

It takes a little bit to understand the basics of JRiver's library management, but once you get it, you realize that it's tons more efficient than XBMC if you have big library. It's worth the effort. It will save you tons of time in the long run.

Are you looking for this?
Right-click on a view, Customize view - Settings - Included files - Set rules for file display

I don't know if it does parental control stuff, though. I haven't tried that.

I'm looking to bitstream. I would just transcode to PCM or flac if that was what I wanted I was told the emotiva didn't allow custom curves though, only corrected to a flat setting?

I figured out how to add files to groups but the parental lock eludes me. I need there to be different selectable groups where whole groups could be locked and/or seperate files could be locked. That's what I have right now with mediaportal and it's hard to let it go.
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I'm looking to bitstream. I would just transcode to PCM or flac if that was what I wanted I was told the emotiva didn't allow custom curves though, only corrected to a flat setting?

I figured out how to add files to groups but the parental lock eludes me. I need there to be different selectable groups where whole groups could be locked and/or seperate files could be locked. That's what I have right now with mediaportal and it's hard to let it go.
Emotiva just released full Dirac with custom target curves for a $99 upgrade. As far as I'm concerned, the custom target curves are essential.

No idea about parental lock. Maybe post on the JRiver forums?
I haven't tried Mediaportal.
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I'm looking to bitstream. I would just transcode to PCM or flac if that was what I wanted I was told the emotiva didn't allow custom curves though, only corrected to a flat setting?

I figured out how to add files to groups but the parental lock eludes me. I need there to be different selectable groups where whole groups could be locked and/or seperate files could be locked. That's what I have right now with mediaportal and it's hard to let it go.
Dirac (like virtually all DSP) works on PCM audio, so if you have another format, like DSD, DTS, DD or MP3, something has to transcode it before you can do EQ and/or bass management. JRiver can do that in real time, if you ask it to.
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I'm going to check it out. have you tried using xbmc with media browser as the back end? its much better than plain xbmc.
No, never tried that.
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Need some advise here. I have been using my 228 for a center channel paired with my 215RT's temporally and have been using my Denon (4520) to push it and has been just fine. Now that I am going with my 215RM I am wondering if it will need a little more juice?
Now I have a couple of things I can do, I have a brand new Emotiva XPA3 and I could use that to power the front stage and then pair a minidsp with Dirac in the chain. My question is will the minidsp with dirac allow me to run the 215's full range and control the bass like the dsp (housecurve) on my inuke6Kdsp? Or I could buy another inukeNU46Kdsp and use that to power the front 3. I have liked my setup so far with the dsp on inuke as it is very easy and a cheap alternative for bass control running the big boys full range with no subs!! I don't have much experience or should say "no" experience with the minidsp other than seeing a few units on my travels to GTG's. Plan is to get a new processor and I am most interested in the Denon X7200WA later in may or June when the are upgraded. I am actually fine for now with the 4520, if it were not for Atmos, I would not even consider another unit. Anyway looking for some suggestions to power my 3 215's full range, thanks for any help here!!!

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The MiniDSP is easy to use and has strong bass management capabilities. Here's a link to the LFE management paper.
http://www.minidsp.com/applications/...ass-management
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Hey guys, got my S2 yest. I'm thoroughly impressed with it except for one thing.

It definitely has that larger than life and enveloping bass that give kind of the imax feeling, which is awesome.

However, some times when there is very low frequency content, like in bass i love you, i normally see the clip light come on the amp, and the drivers tend to kind of distort. That sound doesnt seem right. Its a yellowish orange light at the back.

The volume on the amp is a tick above 0db, and auddesey set the trim at -10db. I jst bumped the trim to -6.

When it clipped, it didnt seem to be that loud either, so dont know why it did so.

Other than that, i'm loving every bit of it.

Ps. The pics dont do justice to the size of the drivers at all. When i unboxed it first, i kept starring at those drivers for a good 10 mins before moving on

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Hey guys, got my S2 yest. I'm thoroughly impressed with it except for one thing.

It definitely has that larger than life and enveloping bass that give kind of the imax feeling, which is awesome.

However, some times when there is very low frequency content, like in bass i love you, i normally see the clip light come on the amp, and the drivers tend to kind of distort. That sound doesnt seem right. Its a yellowish orange light at the back.

The volume on the amp is a tick above 0db, and auddesey set the trim at -10db. I jst bumped the trim to -6.

When it clipped, it didnt seem to be that loud either, so dont know why it did so.

Other than that, i'm loving every bit of it.

Ps. The pics dont do justice to the size of the drivers at all. When i unboxed it first, i kept starring at those drivers for a good 10 mins before moving on
First of all, "0" on the amp dial is like max on the amps output. So when you see red, it's close to its limits. The infinity sign is no output. So you might wanna turn down the dial. Also, do you see the signal light turn orange when playing a heavy bass scene? It's that light right above the dial.
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http://www.minidsp.com/applications/...ass-management
Sorry but I have to ask, will the dirac unit still give you the bass management as the Nanoavr? Also there are 3 units, which would fit me the best, one is analog, digital and stero dac?
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Sorry but I have to ask, will the dirac unit still give you the bass management as the Nanoavr? Also there are 3 units, which would fit me the best, one is analog, digital and stero dac?
Actually, that's a damn good question because you are correct, the Dirac unit loses some of the bass management capabilities. The unit I bought used ships out today so I should be able to try the NanoAVR DL next weekend and let you know my thoughts. Frankly, the NanoAVR units are already obsolete since they only handle 7.1 max so you might be better served by just getting another amp with DSP.
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First of all, "0" on the amp dial is like max on the amps output. So when you see red, it's close to its limits. The infinity sign is no output. So you might wanna turn down the dial. Also, do you see the signal light turn orange when playing a heavy bass scene? It's that light right above the dial.
I did not know that 0 was max. Thot it was min actually

When the clip light comes on, the signal light was still green. Havent seen it on orange yet. What does orange on signal light signify?

Also the volume was at -30 from ref, when i noticed this.

I'm running it on a 15A circuit at this time, could that be causing any issues?
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Need some advise here. I have been using my 228 for a center channel paired with my 215RT's temporally and have been using my Denon (4520) to push it and has been just fine. Now that I am going with my 215RM I am wondering if it will need a little more juice?
Now I have a couple of things I can do, I have a brand new Emotiva XPA3 and I could use that to power the front stage and then pair a minidsp with Dirac in the chain. My question is will the minidsp with dirac allow me to run the 215's full range and control the bass like the dsp (housecurve) on my inuke6Kdsp? Or I could buy another inukeNU46Kdsp and use that to power the front 3. I have liked my setup so far with the dsp on inuke as it is very easy and a cheap alternative for bass control running the big boys full range with no subs!! I don't have much experience or should say "no" experience with the minidsp other than seeing a few units on my travels to GTG's. Plan is to get a new processor and I am most interested in the Denon X7200WA later in may or June when the are upgraded. I am actually fine for now with the 4520, if it were not for Atmos, I would not even consider another unit. Anyway looking for some suggestions to power my 3 215's full range, thanks for any help here!!!

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Why not just get a 3000 DSP to power up the center? Cheap power with easy to use dsp.
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I did not know that 0 was max. Thot it was min actually

When the clip light comes on, the signal light was still green. Havent seen it on orange yet. What does orange on signal light signify?

Also the volume was at -30 from ref, when i noticed this.

I'm running it on a 15A circuit at this time, could that be causing any issues?
Orange on the signal light says that the input is clipping. I guess in your case it's not. So that's good.
15A should be fine as the Speaker Power amps are effecient. Is the sub on its own? Or shared with another sub or other HT gear? Btw, what kind of avr/pre your running?

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Orange on the signal light says that the input is clipping. I guess in your case it's not. So that's good.
15A should be fine as the Speaker Power amps are effecient. Is the sub on its own? Or shared with another sub or other HT gear? Btw, what kind of avr/pre your running?
Its sharing with other devices: Denon AVR-971 (older model), Directv, apple tv, and tv. No second sub. I've got a 4520CI coming in next week, which i know will require more power than the current avr.

There is a 20A circuit nearby, but I will need an extension cord to get to it, since I have only one location to place the sub. I will try to move it there. Have you plugged the sub directly into the wall outlet or do you have it through a surge protector? Instead of an extension cord, I was thinking if I have to use a surge protector, I can get one with a longer power cord, and run that to the 20A circuit.

Also the clip light actually comes on only when the content below 10 Hz is being played, for e.g on the bass I love you, I beleive it goes down to 5-7 Hz, I can see the drivers moving quite a bit then (and cant hear/feel much), but they also distort during this time.
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Why not just get a 3000 DSP to power up the center? Cheap power with easy to use dsp.
Sucks because I sold practically a brand new 3000dsp at a GTG a few months back.

I was actually looking for an easier alternative with one amp. Would be real nice if the NU460000 had a DSP version, but actually be really nice if they would build a NU3 6000DSP. I just have the XPA3 amp sitting here that I have never used, be nice to actually put to use. I am only running a 7.1 at the current time, so maybe the nanoavr would work for the time being till some of these new features get added to the X7200 I am patiently waiting for. I don't want to have to replace my AVR in another year so I am waiting it out. I think that is a first!

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Its sharing with other devices: Denon AVR-971 (older model), Directv, apple tv, and tv. No second sub. I've got a 4520CI coming in next week, which i know will require more power than the current avr.

There is a 20A circuit nearby, but I will need an extension cord to get to it, since I have only one location to place the sub. I will try to move it there. Have you plugged the sub directly into the wall outlet or do you have it through a surge protector? Instead of an extension cord, I was thinking if I have to use a surge protector, I can get one with a longer power cord, and run that to the 20A circuit.

Also the clip light actually comes on only when the content below 10 Hz is being played, for e.g on the bass I love you, I beleive it goes down to 5-7 Hz, I can see the drivers moving quite a bit then (and cant hear/feel much), but they also distort during this time.
Yes..depending how much dbs your trying to hit. 100+ @10hz> will require lots and I mean lots of power and energy to achieve that. Multiples is the way to go without having the power from the outlet, to amp, to the driver working close to there limits. And the S2 will dig deep without hesitation drawing all the power it needs. And you need to feed it or them.Getting the S2 on that 20 amp cuircut will help much.

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Sucks because I sold practically a brand new 3000dsp at a GTG a few months back.

I was actually looking for an easier alternative with one amp. Would be real nice if the NU460000 had a DSP version, but actually be really nice if they would build a NU3 6000DSP. I just have the XPA3 amp sitting here that I have never used, be nice to actually put to use. I am only running a 7.1 at the current time, so maybe the nanoavr would work for the time being till some of these new features get added to the X7200 I am patiently waiting for. I don't want to have to replace my AVR in another year so I am waiting it out. I think that is a first!
Nice.. I say hook up that XPA3 to the center. When I first had all my speakers hooked up. I ran it through the Avr flawlessly. It ran ok but then I really wanted to boost that low end so I added separate power.

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Its sharing with other devices: Denon AVR-971 (older model), Directv, apple tv, and tv. No second sub. I've got a 4520CI coming in next week, which i know will require more power than the current avr.

There is a 20A circuit nearby, but I will need an extension cord to get to it, since I have only one location to place the sub. I will try to move it there. Have you plugged the sub directly into the wall outlet or do you have it through a surge protector? Instead of an extension cord, I was thinking if I have to use a surge protector, I can get one with a longer power cord, and run that to the 20A circuit.

Also the clip light actually comes on only when the content below 10 Hz is being played, for e.g on the bass I love you, I beleive it goes down to 5-7 Hz, I can see the drivers moving quite a bit then (and cant hear/feel much), but they also distort during this time.
I used a heavy gauge extension cord on one of my Orbit Shifters (same amp) and it was fine. I had a dedicated circuit for each OS. If you're going after palpable single digit output, a single S2 might not get you there. If your HT is very small and enclosed then you might be able to pressurize it with 1 S2 but if it is a large and/or open space, you are not likely to succeed. Chasing single digit output is IMHO, pointless.

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Hey guys, got my S2 yest. I'm thoroughly impressed with it except for one thing.

It definitely has that larger than life and enveloping bass that give kind of the imax feeling, which is awesome.

However, some times when there is very low frequency content, like in bass i love you, i normally see the clip light come on the amp, and the drivers tend to kind of distort. That sound doesnt seem right. Its a yellowish orange light at the back.

The volume on the amp is a tick above 0db, and auddesey set the trim at -10db. I jst bumped the trim to -6.

When it clipped, it didnt seem to be that loud either, so dont know why it did so.

Other than that, i'm loving every bit of it.

Ps. The pics dont do justice to the size of the drivers at all. When i unboxed it first, i kept starring at those drivers for a good 10 mins before moving on
Sounds like your sub is not set up right? You really want to get your trims closest to 0. -10 is not right. Where is the gain on your sub at? Also what AVR or prepro are you using?

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I got to hear the 210 RT's at the Iowa HT Crawl this past weekend.

Guys, they are awesome. You get a sound like my speakers but you get to look like a sane person because the speakers are so small. For 2 channel music they would be just fine for most people in fact I was shocked at how deep the bass was.

I felt like I was listening to my speakers, I bet it would be tough blind to tell the difference with most music.

Do I wish I had bought them instead of the 215's? NO!!! I have issues so part of the appeal for me of the 215 is it's stooopid size. Also, I do use a house curve a lot and sometimes boost the crap out of the lows which the 210's would not be able to take. I'd be forced sometimes to use my subs for music if I had the 210's, oh the horror!!!
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I got to hear the 210 RT's at the Iowa HT Crawl this past weekend.

Guys, they are awesome. You get a sound like my speakers but you get to look like a sane person because the speakers are so small. For 2 channel music they would be just fine for most people in fact I was shocked at how deep the bass was.

I felt like I was listening to my speakers, I bet it would be tough blind to tell the difference with most music.

Do I wish I had bought them instead of the 215's? NO!!! I have issues so part of the appeal for me of the 215 is it's stooopid size. Also, I do use a house curve a lot and sometimes boost the crap out of the lows which the 210's would not be able to take. I'd be forced sometimes to use my subs for music if I had the 210's, oh the horror!!!
It's good to hear some feedback on those. I think that's the only jtr we don't have a owner for here right?
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It's good to hear some feedback on those. I think that's the only jtr we don't have a owner for here right?
I think so, I haven't seen anyone post that has them. I think that will change, I could see them someday being the most popular JTR speaker.
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I got to hear the 210 RT's at the Iowa HT Crawl this past weekend.

Guys, they are awesome. You get a sound like my speakers but you get to look like a sane person because the speakers are so small. For 2 channel music they would be just fine for most people in fact I was shocked at how deep the bass was.

I felt like I was listening to my speakers, I bet it would be tough blind to tell the difference with most music.

Do I wish I had bought them instead of the 215's? NO!!! I have issues so part of the appeal for me of the 215 is it's stooopid size. Also, I do use a house curve a lot and sometimes boost the crap out of the lows which the 210's would not be able to take. I'd be forced sometimes to use my subs for music if I had the 210's, oh the horror!!!
I believe Jeff is bringing these to AXPONA. I wonder if he'll bring a 210RM as well. Has anyone seen what that looks like?

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