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Anyone have any up close pictures of the base finish of any JTR's? After reading everyone's impressions of the 210Rt I'm pretty much sold that I'll be purchasing a pair once Jeff gets moved to his new digs. In the meantime, I'm trying to decide if I should go ahead and grab one of his 210RM's that he has for sale right now. I have some older jtr's but they're veneered so I've never seen the base finish in person. These will be used in my living room so I'm just trying to decide if I need to wait for a whole veneered/painted set or I can grab one of the 210rms on sale right now. Thanks fellas.
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Anyone have any up close pictures of the base finish of any JTR's? After reading everyone's impressions of the 210Rt I'm pretty much sold that I'll be purchasing a pair once Jeff gets moved to his new digs. In the meantime, I'm trying to decide if I should go ahead and grab one of his 210RM's that he has for sale right now. I have some older jtr's but they're veneered so I've never seen the base finish in person. These will be used in my living room so I'm just trying to decide if I need to wait for a whole veneered/painted set or I can grab one of the 210rms on sale right now. Thanks fellas.
The standard finish is pretty boring. Not rough truck bed liner like in the past but still very industrial looking. I like it but then my speakers are behind a screen in a dedicated room.
I heard through the grapevine that there might be a Ferrari red pair of 210RT's at Axpona in Chicago in a couple of weeks. If that happens, it should give you a good look at whats possible with a painted finish.

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I've seen the Laborghini black 215RT last year at the Axpona. Very nice paint job. Though I still like the standard finish. Very though and agressive. I have not one complain about the finish when I have show offs at my place. First impressions are mostly. WTH! Those are huge. Looks crazy! Then when I play them I get.. OMG! They sound very big but accurate and clean.. Well like that in some way.😄
Btw, my family and I will be flying up to California next week. And during that trip, we'll be stopping by RMK's place. I can't wait to meet him who been through almost all the top of the line JTR speakers. And of course his famous HT. Will be my first time hearing ATMOS. I have the feeling after this demo, I'll be going down that ATMOS road too.. Hehe..
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The Sheffield Labs Drum track is simply amazing! JTR & Seaton Combo! It's definitely on my demo list.

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Yeah well sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. That's life.

Back to Interstellar, is it just me or is that fim an hour too long? It has some great bits and the audio is "stellar" but I felt myself growing older watching it. Many complained about dialog intelligibility but with our super CD's we JTR owners don't have to worry. Even with McConaughey mumbling like in his Lincoln ads, I heard every word ... even the ones I could have done without . The liftoff, worm hole and black hole scenes were epic from a sound and visual perspective.

I remember a discussion with forum member Fugueness about dialog intelligibility. He owned about 2000 films and is in the business so for him clear dialog was paramount. At the time he had some nice Aerial 7T mains and the horizontal soft dome MTM center channel and had heard about the first gen JTR Triple 12HT's. Upon investigation they were so "cheap" be bought a set as potential LCR's. He was so enthusiastic about the JTR's that I had to hear them and after the demo I too became an owner. He ended up moving on to Seaton Cats (good decision) and I stayed the JTR course but we both found out that for Home Theater use, high efficiency designs trump Audiophile speakers all day long. With the refinements Jeff had made over the past few years, his speakers can compete with anything on the market for HT use. There are many variables that effect what we hear and what we like, but the latest generation Noesis JTR's sound fantastic and are a stupid good value.

The 210RT is perhaps the most interesting speaker Jeff has made thus far and I'm anxious to hear them. The 215's are the flagship and their full range (movies and music) capability make them truly unique. But not many can accommodate a speaker of that size so the 210's with a smaller form factor and good LF extension for music become an interesting choice. In fact, if I were building a new system from scratch and looking for a killer Atmos HT setup, I might just go for the 210RT LCR's, 7 Single 8's (LP's for the surrounds and Slanted's for the ceiling) and 4 Cap 1400 subs. I think that would be a world class setup.
You said 7 single 8's okay 4 for surrounds how did you use the other 3 in the ceiling? I thought you had to have 4 speakers for the ceiling
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I was thinking that since he is in Hawaii that maybe the volcano crater adds the reverb needed for the 4th speaker.

Yea I was trying to visualize 7 speakers myself.
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Who wants to go post in this thread? Most here probably listen at least 20 dB louder that what is listed.

How loud do you listen?
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I was thinking that since he is in Hawaii that maybe the volcano crater adds the reverb needed for the 4th speaker.

Yea I was trying to visualize 7 speakers myself.
Huh? Who's in Hawaii?
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Sorry - thought RMK lived in Hawaii.
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Well whatyaknow.. Tidal has Bass Mekanic albums.. Including Bassotronics.. haha! Friggin crazy stuffs. Matter of fact its my first time listening to any of those albums. My favorite so far is Just Bass, Bass I Love you, and Sub Bass Excursion from Bassotronics . Geez! The head pressure and the internal organs vibrating.. HAHA crazy stuff.. nice!
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You said 7 single 8's okay 4 for surrounds how did you use the other 3 in the ceiling? I thought you had to have 4 speakers for the ceiling
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Ok, make that 8 single 8's.

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I've seen the Laborghini black 215RT last year at the Axpona. Very nice paint job. Though I still like the standard finish. Very though and agressive. I have not one complain about the finish when I have show offs at my place. First impressions are mostly. WTH! Those are huge. Looks crazy! Then when I play them I get.. OMG! They sound very big but accurate and clean.. Well like that in some way.😄
Btw, my family and I will be flying up to California next week. And during that trip, we'll be stopping by RMK's place. I can't wait to meet him who been through almost all the top of the line JTR speakers. And of course his famous HT. Will be my first time hearing ATMOS. I have the feeling after this demo, I'll be going down that ATMOS road too.. Hehe..
Looking forward to it.

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Happy easter everyone.

Enjoying Bourne Ultimatum with 2.1 setup - JTR S8-LP + Seaton Submersive HP+.

Easily beats my 7.1 def tech setup.

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The standard finish is pretty boring. Not rough truck bed liner like in the past but still very industrial looking. I like it but then my speakers are behind a screen in a dedicated room.
I heard through the grapevine that there might be a Ferrari red pair of 210RT's at Axpona in Chicago in a couple of weeks. If that happens, it should give you a good look at whats possible with a painted finish.

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I've seen the Laborghini black 215RT last year at the Axpona. Very nice paint job. Though I still like the standard finish. Very though and agressive. I have not one complain about the finish when I have show offs at my place. First impressions are mostly. WTH! Those are huge. Looks crazy! Then when I play them I get.. OMG! They sound very big but accurate and clean.. Well like that in some way.
Btw, my family and I will be flying up to California next week. And during that trip, we'll be stopping by RMK's place. I can't wait to meet him who been through almost all the top of the line JTR speakers. And of course his famous HT. Will be my first time hearing ATMOS. I have the feeling after this demo, I'll be going down that ATMOS road too.. Hehe..
Thanks fellas. I think I'll give Jeff a call tomorrow and get a 210rm ordered. I'll put in the order for the 210rt's once he's settled in his new place.

Dang it. I told myself I wouldn't make any ht purchases until I was done with the rest of my home remodel. This site (and this thread in particular) is bad for my wallet.

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Thanks fellas. I think I'll give Jeff a call tomorrow and get a 210rm ordered. I'll put in the order for the 210rt's once he's settled in his new place.

Dang it. I told myself I wouldn't make any ht purchases until I was done with the rest of my home remodel. This site (and this thread in particular) is bad for my wallet.

Happy Easter guys.
Yes, well all know the risk associated with frequent visits to the site. The upside is the pleasure of hearing our favorite music rendered perfectly and/or the fanfare at the beginning of a great movie we have been anxious to watch. Those moments make it all worth it.

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Lol. Indeed it is. Thanks again Rob.
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Watched Interstellar last night. I had zero issues with dialog...thanks to the 212HT being crystal clear and accurate as expected. Anyone complaining about the dialogue with this movie needs to address their setup...the mix and soundtrack was amazing. I suspect some complaints are also coming from ppl watching on just their TV as well without external speakers. I mentioned before that I had issue with the IMAX 70mm theater's setup myself with this movie...Where the center speakers sounded hollow and echoed, with touches of annoying distortion, something no commercial theater should have if properly calibrated.
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Ok, make that 8 single 8's.
Okay thanks I thought maybe I was missing something or you was setting up a VOG speaker.
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Watched Interstellar last night. I had zero issues with dialog...thanks to the 212HT being crystal clear and accurate as expected. Anyone complaining about the dialogue with this movie needs to address their setup...the mix and soundtrack was amazing. I suspect some complaints are also coming from ppl watching on just their TV as well without external speakers. I mentioned before that I had issue with the IMAX 70mm theater's setup myself with this movie...Where the center speakers sounded hollow and echoed, with touches of annoying distortion, something no commercial theater should have if properly calibrated.
Agreed.. Now I know it's the speakers and the setup that makes a difference. After posting my thoughts about the movie in the bass for movies thread. I guess some members probably thought I was lying about the dialog thing. And responded back with this...
https://youtu.be/lZMzf-SDWP8?list=PL86F4D497FD3CACCE

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Okay thanks I thought maybe I was missing something or you was setting up a VOG speaker.
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I was considering a Top Middle or a VOG speaker(s). Right now and with the current processor I'm out of channels. Eleven is the max number of channels with the Onkyo/Integra and D&M made AVR's/SSP's. That's one of the reasons I sold my orig Slanted 8 surround backs as I wanted the option to do Top Middle or a VOG channel (6 or 5 ceiling channel respectively). What I noticed when using Dolby Atmos-DSU and Auro-Auromatic is that there wa as the hole in the surround sound field with the SB's out of my system. So, its back to 7.1.4. Before anyone suggests it, I would not even consider the Datasat or Trinnov Altitude systems.

I have heard rumors that some of the new SSP/AVR's will support 13 channels and that would be cool.

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I gotta believe at least some of the new pre pros will support more channels than the current ones and at a "reasonable" price.

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Yeah...I think Cedia this year will be really interesting. Actually with it being a month later than normal...we may see products getting pushed out before Cedia in October.
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Posted this on the Master List Bass thread but thought some of you may find this useful...

Add me to the list....just finished Interstellar and I certainly enjoyed the audio track. The jury is still out on the plot and agree with others that I probably should watch it again.

Anyway, I wrote down some time stamps of the better audio segments for those of you that like to create demo clips (like me):

Dirt Storm - 18:13-19:40
First Flight - 41:40-44:00
Speech (music) - 49:26-50:18
Black Hole Entry - 58:50-1:01:25
Planet Landing - 1:06:13-1:08:23
First Wave - 1:10:00-1:13:05
Wave Escape - 1:16:20-1:17:25
Ending Musical Sequence - 1:56:35-2:00:32
Final Docking - 2:06:42-2:11:37
Black Hole Re-entry - 2:14:09-2:20:10

Of course, the stop/starts are highly subjective but gives you a good starting point if you're interested.
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Posted this on the Master List Bass thread but thought some of you may find this useful...

Add me to the list....just finished Interstellar and I certainly enjoyed the audio track. The jury is still out on the plot and agree with others that I probably should watch it again.

Anyway, I wrote down some time stamps of the better audio segments for those of you that like to create demo clips (like me):

Dirt Storm - 18:13-19:40
First Flight - 41:40-44:00
Speech (music) - 49:26-50:18
Black Hole Entry - 58:50-1:01:25
Planet Landing - 1:06:13-1:08:23
First Wave - 1:10:00-1:13:05
Wave Escape - 1:16:20-1:17:25
Ending Musical Sequence - 1:56:35-2:00:32
Final Docking - 2:06:42-2:11:37
Black Hole Re-entry - 2:14:09-2:20:10

Of course, the stop/starts are highly subjective but gives you a good starting point if you're interested.
Dave did you ever figure out accommodations in KC??
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Haven't looked yet...will here soon and will let you know.
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Posted this on the Master List Bass thread but thought some of you may find this useful...

Add me to the list....just finished Interstellar and I certainly enjoyed the audio track. The jury is still out on the plot and agree with others that I probably should watch it again.

Anyway, I wrote down some time stamps of the better audio segments for those of you that like to create demo clips (like me):

Dirt Storm - 18:13-19:40
First Flight - 41:40-44:00
Speech (music) - 49:26-50:18
Black Hole Entry - 58:50-1:01:25
Planet Landing - 1:06:13-1:08:23
First Wave - 1:10:00-1:13:05
Wave Escape - 1:16:20-1:17:25
Ending Musical Sequence - 1:56:35-2:00:32
Final Docking - 2:06:42-2:11:37
Black Hole Re-entry - 2:14:09-2:20:10

Of course, the stop/starts are highly subjective but gives you a good starting point if you're interested.
Nice.. Just copied and pasted it on my iPad notes. Thanks!
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Couldn't agree more with your points:

JTR's are an incredible value.
If I were just buying I would build the exact system you mention....exactly.
At around ~$19k after discount plus shipping, that would be a pretty stellar 7.4.4 system. Add in a nice AVR, amp for the LCRs, projector, and screen and you would have a world class home theater for around $25k.

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Yeah well sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. That's life.

Back to Interstellar, is it just me or is that fim an hour too long? It has some great bits and the audio is "stellar" but I felt myself growing older watching it. Many complained about dialog intelligibility but with our super CD's we JTR owners don't have to worry. Even with McConaughey mumbling like in his Lincoln ads, I heard every word ... even the ones I could have done without . The liftoff, worm hole and black hole scenes were epic from a sound and visual perspective.

I remember a discussion with forum member Fugueness about dialog intelligibility. He owned about 2000 films and is in the business so for him clear dialog was paramount. At the time he had some nice Aerial 7T mains and the horizontal soft dome MTM center channel and had heard about the first gen JTR Triple 12HT's. Upon investigation they were so "cheap" be bought a set as potential LCR's. He was so enthusiastic about the JTR's that I had to hear them and after the demo I too became an owner. He ended up moving on to Seaton Cats (good decision) and I stayed the JTR course but we both found out that for Home Theater use, high efficiency designs trump Audiophile speakers all day long. With the refinements Jeff had made over the past few years, his speakers can compete with anything on the market for HT use. There are many variables that effect what we hear and what we like, but the latest generation Noesis JTR's sound fantastic and are a stupid good value.

The 210RT is perhaps the most interesting speaker Jeff has made thus far and I'm anxious to hear them. The 215's are the flagship and their full range (movies and music) capability make them truly unique. But not many can accommodate a speaker of that size so the 210's with a smaller form factor and good LF extension for music become an interesting choice. In fact, if I were building a new system from scratch and looking for a killer Atmos HT setup, I might just go for the 210RT LCR's, 7 Single 8's (LP's for the surrounds and Slanted's for the ceiling) and 4 Cap 1400 subs. I think that would be a world class setup.
The only time I found myself having trouble hearing the vocals was in some of the more dynamic take-off scenes and whatnot. But that was basically due to the drastic bass pummeling me around at the same time. I'd say maybe a total of 1 minute out of the whole that I had issues.

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