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Just sitting here wondering if a slanted 8 sitting on top of my 212HTs aimed at ceiling would work like an atmos speaker module I am thinking that the only thing that makes it an atmos up-firing module is the aiming degree/angle for sound reflection from the ceiling. Hmmmm????

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Just sitting here wondering if a slanted 8 sitting on top of my 212HTs aimed at ceiling would work like an atmos speaker module I am thinking that the only thing that makes it an atmos up-firing module is the aiming degree/angle for sound reflection from the ceiling. Hmmmm????
Easy to test as up firing Front Height speakers using DTS Neo:X or Dolby Pro Logic IIz and, you wouldn't have to commit to Atmos first.

You should come over and hear Atmos for yourself. Try before you buy ...
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Just sitting here wondering if a slanted 8 sitting on top of my 212HTs aimed at ceiling would work like an atmos speaker module I am thinking that the only thing that makes it an atmos up-firing module is the aiming degree/angle for sound reflection from the ceiling. Hmmmm????
Do slanted 212's on top of your 212's.
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Just sitting here wondering if a slanted 8 sitting on top of my 212HTs aimed at ceiling would work like an atmos speaker module I am thinking that the only thing that makes it an atmos up-firing module is the aiming degree/angle for sound reflection from the ceiling. Hmmmm????
I don't see why not...if reflective point on ceiling hits your mlp, it should work. The avr should set the proper delay.
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Hey guys, any of you have tried refinishing your JTR speakers ? Thinking of changing the look of one pair of my slanted 8's so I can have my wife approve the look and put them in the living room as a 2-Channel system haha ! The finish on my speakers are the normal black finish which is a bit textured. I'm thinking of wrapping it in vinyl or some kind of laminate , maybe even wood veneer. Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks !
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Hey guys, any of you have tried refinishing your JTR speakers ? Thinking of changing the look of one pair of my slanted 8's so I can have my wife approve the look and put them in the living room as a 2-Channel system haha ! The finish on my speakers are the normal black finish which is a bit textured. I'm thinking of wrapping it in vinyl or some kind of laminate , maybe even wood veneer. Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks !
I spoke with Jeff about this. He said the stock paint isn't like truck liner tough, so its sand-able.
I was thinking the same thing and putting on a nice paint or veneer at some point.

I was actually thinking on doing the JTR web site header streak (the one behind the speaker pictures on the sides).
But thats all just musing at this point while I wait for them to be delivered.
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Hey guys, any of you have tried refinishing your JTR speakers ? Thinking of changing the look of one pair of my slanted 8's so I can have my wife approve the look and put them in the living room as a 2-Channel system haha ! The finish on my speakers are the normal black finish which is a bit textured. I'm thinking of wrapping it in vinyl or some kind of laminate , maybe even wood veneer. Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks !
JTR's are function over form speakers. If wood grain or custom paint finishes are wanted, they are available on order. Unless you possess the requisite skills, I'd consider any re-finishing a proceed with caution type of project.
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That Tractor demo is very cool. I've never heard anything like it.

The Auro Demo Disk actually sounds a little better in Auro 3D but I'm setup for Atmos now and we listened to it using DSU.
Ditto! The tractor demo is the most impressive "imaging" demo I've ever heard.

I forgot to ask during my visit, was the other seats in the theater able to get that effect?

On my system only the sweet spot can get the effect of imaging, and imaging completely collapses if you're not sitting in that seat. That is something I wish I can expand to multiple seats so when I demo my system to friends (or for Saturday night movies), more than one person can hear a reasonably accurate soundstage.

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Easy to test as up firing Front Height speakers using DTS Neo:X or Dolby Pro Logic IIz and, you wouldn't have to commit to Atmos first.

You should come over and hear Atmos for yourself. Try before you buy ...
I always love hearing your system, so just let me know when you are up for a demo and I will come by.

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Ditto! The tractor demo is the most impressive "imaging" demo I've ever heard.

I forgot to ask during my visit, was the other seats in the theater able to get that effect?

On my system only the sweet spot can get the effect of imaging, which is something I wish I can expand to multiple seats so when I demo my system to friends (or for Saturday night movies), more than one person can hear a reasonably accurate soundstage.
That effect is so dramatic that the tractor demo impresses at all seats. In fact all seat locations are good for most surround sound effects. In my case, the two front center seats have the best stereo imaging but it still sounds good at the other seating locations, just not as focused. To bad my HTPC wasn't operational as we could have played more 2 channel music. The 215RT's soundstage and imaging are excellent.

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Finally tried Awolnation "Sail"...I'm in punch-my-chest-heaven. You guys must try it. Just start at -10 volume. And I sually do Stereo...but I really like it in DTS Neo X...last mode it was on before so just started with it without even realizing.

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Anyone has Tidal.. Try Steve Gadd Band (70 Strong). Play track 1 (Foam Home). Turn it up!! Well if you guys are into Jazz. Especially drums.. That track will bring out the mid bass in our speakers.
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Anyone has Tidal.. Try Steve Gadd Band (70 Strong). Play track 1 (Foam Home). Turn it up!! Well if you guys are into Jazz. Especially drums.. That track will bring out the mid bass in our speakers.
I would like to get Deezer. I just don't listen to all that much music. I will be honest I have not been out in my theater in 3 weeks. I have been so busy at work not to mention my projector is giving me problems. I am waiting for a deal on a yearly package on a streaming service and then I am in!!
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I would like to get Deezer. I just don't listen to all that much music. I will be honest I have not been out in my theater in 3 weeks. I have been so busy at work not to mention my projector is giving me problems. I am waiting for a deal on a yearly package on a streaming service and then I am in!!
Nice.. Curious to how Deezer compares to Tidal. Tidal expanded a lot on their music library. Still streaming through them since January.
I too get busy with work at times and don't have time for the hobbies. But work does come first to support it. Haha..
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Hey guys -

I'm considering getting JTR 228's for my LCR's. I currently have GoldenEar Triton 2's and a SuperCenter XL in my set up. What are everyone's thoughts on this possible upgrade? Should I just hold out to find a deal on some 212's instead? Or will the 228's be more than enough. My room is only about 15 feet x 22 feet.

Keep in mind, my 4 surrounds are also GoldenEar Supersat 60's.
I also currently have 2 SVS PB13 Ultras.

Probably 75% movie use.
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Hey guys -

I'm considering getting JTR 228's for my LCR's. I currently have GoldenEar Triton 2's and a SuperCenter XL in my set up. What are everyone's thoughts on this possible upgrade? Should I just hold out to find a deal on some 212's instead? Or will the 228's be more than enough. My room is only about 15 feet x 22 feet.

Keep in mind, my 4 surrounds are also GoldenEar Supersat 60's.
I also currently have 2 SVS PB13 Ultras.

Probably 75% movie use.
I seen you posted in the classifieds for Rays 228's. For 75% movie use, the 228's would be just fine. We just discussed this a couple of weeks ago and some of the guys have tested both the 212's and 228's and for movie use they were almost identical. That is a great deal on the 228's and I think you would be very happy with them.
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228's will definitely be plenty.
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Thats what I was thinking too. I think if I had the ability to put the speakers behind my screen, I would splurge for the 212's. The main reason I'd want to pick up the 228's would be for an upgrade in my center channel. Don't get me wrong, GoldenEar has some fantastic speakers, but I think I can definitely improve

Now since I have not heard any JTR's in person, do these sound at all similar to the Klipsch RF 7ii's? I say this because thats the last "horn" speaker I had some time with, and to be honest, I wasn't a fan when I compared it to the ribbon tweeter of the Triton's.
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Thats what I was thinking too. I think if I had the ability to put the speakers behind my screen, I would splurge for the 212's. The main reason I'd want to pick up the 228's would be for an upgrade in my center channel. Don't get me wrong, GoldenEar has some fantastic speakers, but I think I can definitely improve

Now since I have not heard any JTR's in person, do these sound at all similar to the Klipsch RF 7ii's? I say this because thats the last "horn" speaker I had some time with, and to be honest, I wasn't a fan when I compared it to the ribbon tweeter of the Triton's.
The 228's will make awesome surrounds should you ever decide to move on to other main speakers. That said, if you like music you should at least consider the 210RT's ... says the "Pusher" .

Sorry, old song reference from an old guy.
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Dang a Hoyt Axton reference on the JTR thread! Nice...



Steppenwolf did a great job with the song. I have the SACD but not sure the higher resolution really provided anything worthwhile.

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Stopped by RMK's place today for a demo of Atmos, Rob was a gracious host as always and I just can't say enough about his system. Each time I have come by the system has been changed/upgraded and each time I think it can't get any better but it does! We watched/listened to an Atmos demo disc and a Auro demo as well as some clips from Unbroken and John Wick with some awesome 2 channel thrown in. Just superb sound. The treatments in the room make every detail in the audio noticeable, clear and concise. I was ducking for cover during the unbroken clip where the plane begins taking gun ground fire just before the bombs are dropped and then the air battle that ensues. Thanks Rob for a great demo, I am sold on Top speakers for the 3D sound. I am going to try and wait until mid 2016 when the 2nd generation pre/pros & AVRs begin showing up to see how it all plays out. Perhaps by then Jeff will have come out with some Atmos speakers that are somewhat smaller for placement on the ceiling.

PS - with 3 215RTs up front there was plenty of bass, no need for subs at all
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Stopped by RMK's place today for a demo of Atmos, Rob was a gracious host as always and I just can't say enough about his system. Each time I have come by the system has been changed/upgraded and each time I think it can't get any better but it does! We watched/listened to an Atmos demo disc and a Auro demo as well as some clips from Unbroken and John Wick with some awesome 2 channel thrown in. Just superb sound. The treatments in the room make every detail in the audio noticeable, clear and concise. I was ducking for cover during the unbroken clip where the plane begins taking gun ground fire just before the bombs are dropped and then the air battle that ensues. Thanks Rob for a great demo, I am sold on Top speakers for the 3D sound. I am going to try and wait until mid 2016 when the 2nd generation pre/pros & AVRs begin showing up to see how it all plays out. Perhaps by then Jeff will have come out with some Atmos speakers that are somewhat smaller for placement on the ceiling.

PS - with 3 215RTs up front there was plenty of bass, no need for subs at all
Thanks for the nice comments Scott. Always good seeing you and thanks for the long term loan of the Blurays and for all the great hirez music you gave me last visit. We have similar taste in music and it has been fun listening to new stuff along with some old favorites. I hope 3D audio is here to stay as I am completely bought in especially for movies but as always, having the correct setup makes all the difference.

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Hey guys -

I'm considering getting JTR 228's for my LCR's. I currently have GoldenEar Triton 2's and a SuperCenter XL in my set up. What are everyone's thoughts on this possible upgrade? Should I just hold out to find a deal on some 212's instead? Or will the 228's be more than enough. My room is only about 15 feet x 22 feet.

Keep in mind, my 4 surrounds are also GoldenEar Supersat 60's.
I also currently have 2 SVS PB13 Ultras.

Probably 75% movie use.
Coming from AMT tweeters in Tritons, I suspect that you'd prefer one of the coax-based JTRs (212HTs, 210s, 215s), to deliver that kind of sweet sounding treble (plus amazing dynamics), if music is important to you. Also, keep in mind that you will need to combine them with subs, unless you get one of the full range RT models.
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Now since I have not heard any JTR's in person, do these sound at all similar to the Klipsch RF 7ii's? I say this because thats the last "horn" speaker I had some time with, and to be honest, I wasn't a fan when I compared it to the ribbon tweeter of the Triton's.
Although I agree with you that I prefer AMTs over Klipsch, I prefer the 212HTs over AMTs. I assume that the same applies to any JTR speaker built on the coax driver.

They match the ribbon's sweet sounding, extended treble, but add another league of dynamics, integration with mids, more consistent off-axis response, yet less unwanted reflections.

It would be an unfortunate mistake to assume all horns sound alike.
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I appreciate the feedback you guys have given me! It's getting harder and harder to deny the justified popularity JTR has on here.
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I appreciate the feedback you guys have given me! It's getting harder and harder to deny the justified popularity JTR has on here.
There has to be someone close to you that has JTR. I'd try to find a forum member that will demo their stuff.
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Does anyone see any issue with having two different brand speakers integrated in my system? So I would still use 4 GoldenEar SuperSat 60's as my surrounds, while having the JTR's as my LCR. I know a lot of people have multiple brands in their system and have no issues whatsoever, but would having two different tweeter styles create an obvious difference?

Maybe I'm over thinking this. I've just always had the same brand setup through the years.

My theater should be complete within the next month. Just had my ceiling installed, so I'm onto the painting process. While upgrading my LCR was never really in my plans for financial reasons, the JTR love is just overwhelming and too tempting to resist!
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Does anyone see any issue with having two different brand speakers integrated in my system? So I would still use 4 GoldenEar SuperSat 60's as my surrounds, while having the JTR's as my LCR. I know a lot of people have multiple brands in their system and have no issues whatsoever, but would having two different tweeter styles create an obvious difference?

Maybe I'm over thinking this. I've just always had the same brand setup through the years.

My theater should be complete within the next month. Just had my ceiling installed, so I'm onto the painting process. While upgrading my LCR was never really in my plans for financial reasons, the JTR love is just overwhelming and too tempting to resist!
Two things, I would definitely demo some JTR's or at least some other high efficiency/compression driver type design. Some people love it some people don't find it as appealing. As far as mixing domes with something like JTR up front, the sheer difference in dynamic output that you will be lacking in your surrounds compared to some JTR's will likely cause issues. You can probably slide by for a while with this type setup, but I would definitely plan to upgrade your surrounds at some point in the future should you take this route. I know of several guys near the Philly area that might let you demo a high efficiency setup.
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Two things, I would definitely demo some JTR's or at least some other high efficiency/compression driver type design. Some people love it some people don't find it as appealing. As far as mixing domes with something like JTR up front, the sheer difference in dynamic output that you will be lacking in your surrounds compared to some JTR's will likely cause issues. You can probably slide by for a while with this type setup, but I would definitely plan to upgrade your surrounds at some point in the future should you take this route. I know of several guys near the Philly area that might let you demo a high efficiency setup.
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As the new 3D audio products roll out, the HT sound field is being expanded with much more activity in the surrounds than was found with the traditional surround formats. All of the 3D audio demo disks provide great examples of why having surrounds that are well matched to your mains is so important. The Tractor Passing demo on the Auro Demo Disk is an excellent example as the side surrounds do a lot of the heavy lifting required to achieve a realistic effect of the close proximity tractor pass. It is one of the cooler 3D effects I have heard and it really pushes my very capable side surrounds to their limit.

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